Re: [h-cost] Anyone recognize this movie?
Those are from the recent film 'Anonymous'. KarenSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Anyone recognize this movie? Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:30:07 -0700 http://netkushi.com/gallery2/index.php/Hollywood-Movie-Stills/A/Anonymous-Movie-2011/Anonymous-Movie-Stills/Anonymous_movie_stills_1 There are a series of stills here, but no name for the movieanyone recognize which one it is? Sg http://netkushi.com/gallery2/index.php/Hollywood-Movie-Stills/A/Anonymous-Movie-2011/Anonymous-Movie-Stills/Anonymous_movie_stills_1 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ef10391ae7ae13a36st02duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
Hey! I'm headed there as well! I'll be with the river pirates.erI mean pre-emptive salvage experts over by the river. Come on by for a visit! KarenSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: annbw...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:08:15 -0400 (EDT) My dummy is wearing my husband's just finished brown wool tail coat with velvet collar, cuffs, and pocket flaps. Tomorrow we, and it, will be off the Mississinewa for the 1812 reenactment. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com To: h-cost h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 4:45 pm Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? It's that time of year when the calendar is full of holiday parties, inter balls, gift-making excuses, company dinners, Dickens Fair, heater season, New Years Eve, cocktail parties, and 12th Night. You ight even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever he reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's our dressmaker's dummy wearing today? -cin ynthia Barnes inbar...@gmail.com PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something marvelous on he dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's in our design sketchbook, on the worktable, in the quilt frame, at the ewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. -cin ynthia Barnes inbar...@gmail.com __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e8b780addd3ca45d8ast04duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Need information on sacque garments (NOT the dress)
Hey! That episode of Ghost Hunters was on last night!. (Yeah, paranormal shows are a guilty pleasure of mine *blushes*) They caught what they interpreted as a full body apparition on the stairs. We now return you to your originaly scheduled costume discussion. KarenSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: WorkroomButtons.com westvillagedrap...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need information on sacque garments (NOT the dress) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Not only that, but the actual working space was...well, horrible.#65533; Dirty, poorly lit, and very (very) crowded -- not quite attic space, but very close.#65533; It's slightly better now.#65533; The ladies have since cleared out a tiny back room, tearing down filthy tattered 1840's wallpaper (and saving as much as they could) so they could scrub and paint.#65533; It is now our clean space and even tinier because we just assembled shelving in there for our new storage boxes. Everything else is still very crowded and precariously hung on leaning donated coat racks -- sacques and mens' shirts are still on wire hangers. Nothing was done with the collection for 15 years after she cataloged as much as she could reach, and a lot of it was jammed into that tiny (filthy) room until very recently. Have I ever posted a link? www.townsendhistoricalsociety.org ...a little more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_Homestead ...and we're on TV! www.tv.com/shows/ghost-hunters/ghostly-evidence-1395703 A film crew showed up to record our ghostly happenings a few months ago.#65533; Has anyone seen the this episode of Ghost Hunters?#65533; Maybe... 150 years ago (?) a grieving mother, mourning the death of her daughter, hanged herself off the top of the staircase. We all grip onto that post when we climb upstairs (steps are very steep).#65533; It's a sad story, and I hope that poor mother has found peace. Dede --- On Thu, 9/15/11, annbw...@aol.com annbw...@aol.com wrote: Oh, my goodness, she is one of THE authorities. Of course, all of us costume historians have learned a great deal in the last 15 years and, as you point out, she was faced with an enormous task. She might very well have different readings on some of these things now herself. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e71fded510eb47fcf8st05duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Era with Heaviest undergarmants - TV query
I would say that the early Victorian period especially the late 1840's would be the heaviest era for undergarments. By that time the corset was re-emerging as a longer, more heavily boned object and ladies wore lots of underskirts/petticoats to achieve the bell skirted look which was in fashion. If I remember my readings correctly (at work and away from my books) a really fashionable woman might wear upwards of 15 skirts. When the crinoline was introduced in the 1850's it was hailed as a liberator becuase women could go without the weight and encumbrance of all the petticoats. Karen DezomaSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Chris Harrison ch...@yahoo.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Era with Heaviest undergarmants - TV query Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Hello Bay Area Costumers! I loved the costume bazaar last weekend and was delighted to pick up a great Dickens Faire#65533;outfit (and a membership to the group). Now, a question from a friend of mine is a scout/producer for a company that makes tv shows for Discovery, TLC, etc. (see below) Can#65533;anyone help? I don't want to bog down the list with responses if this is really basic, so feel free to email me off the list. Thanks! #65533; - Forwarded Message - From: Shera Jenne sh...@shera.tv To: Chris Harrison ch...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 6:57 AM Subject: Advice Hey there Chris! Wish you were near. I have so many things to ask you! ha ha. Do you know anything about Victorian undergarments? Weird question, huh. I am writing up a proposal and I am trying to figure out the time period in which women wore the MOST undergarments... as in number of items and/or heaviest. I think I read somewhere that at their height women were wearing 19 pounds of undergarments under their dresses. But I can't find that definitively. I know you specialize in more middle ages stuff... (or medieval?) but since costumery is an area of interest I thought it might be something you'd know a little bit about. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e60f32ebb48b110d5bst05duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Heavy underwear
Bustles may look ungainly but they are effectively half hoop skirts and aren't very heavy at all. Karen DezomaSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heavy underwear Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:56:35 + How much did bustles weigh? Kate Pinner -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Martha Kelly Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 2:38 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Heavy underwear My first thought was early 1850's, just before the hoop, as others have said. But I wonder if, pound for pound, the 1770's and thereabout might win. Stays that were solidly boned and several layers thick were heavier than corsets, linen shifts were heavier than chemises, petticoats were worn under and over the panniers and some of these were quilted for warmth, and there was the separate pocket, often worn in pairs. It might be a toss-up. Though I'm still betting on mid-Victorian. Martha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6139c9c98fd12168cst06duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dressing a Victorian Lady
Hey! If you watch the video, that's my friend Kelly Cochran-Davis who made the outfit and is demonstrating to Ms Gist how to wear it! Very cool! Kelly is an excellent costumier. KarenSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Sharon Henderson henderson.sha...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dressing a Victorian Lady Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:09:34 -0400 Hi folks, I saw this on the Wall Street Journal site, of all places. It's an article with a slideshow and an amusing video, about a lady who writes historical romances--and wanted to get her steamy scenes right. :) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304911104576443871615544338.html Fun stuff. I've seen a similar show for how Queen Elizabeth I would have been dressed by her ladies. Cheers, Meli ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e26d8f569387e042fst06duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question on corset patterns
I have used the Laughing Moon pattern and found it to be a very good pattern. It is easy to make (comparatively speaking) and the instructions are clear. I know other people who have used it and heard nothing but good things about it from them. KarenSeamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Rebecca Schmitt lotsofteap...@charter.net To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] question on corset patterns Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:02:49 -0600 I am planning on making a bodice and dress from Truly Victorian's line (TV490 Ball Gown Bodice TV298 Umbrella Skirt, both from 1892). But, of course before that, I need a corset! I went to GBACG Pattern Review, and found nothing on TV's corset, but lots of great reviews on Laughing Moon's Dore corset. My usual era is Elizabethan, so if I wear a corset, it is of a very different construction. I would consider myself an intermediate sewer. Question: Do you prefer TV or LM corset, especially for a first-time Victorian sewer? Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence, Bristol Renn Faire * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d2791785a9daae6a9st01duc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] dressing Sherlock Holmes
Actually, in the original illustrations Holmes isn't shown wearing that very often. He spends most of his time in London and an Inverness coat and deerstalker cap would be something worn when out in the country, probably hunting. for a good look at the original Sherlock Holmes illustrations, go here: http://www.arthes.com/holmes/ Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Talia tali...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] dressing Sherlock Holmes Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:11:40 -0500 I believe it's an Inverness Coat. Talia On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dawn d...@reddawn.net wrote: The character is often portrayed wearing a long heavy coat and the infamous 'deerstalker' cap. Is there a name for the coat? I'm not sure what I should be looking for. Is there a predominant color that it would have come in, such as black, or grey or brown? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=bxMt_6aqGY9KIHrDIi0_WAAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAYAAADNAAAYQAA= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] non paned trunkhose pre 1600
I agree that there's some ambiguity to the white trunkhose but I think the yellow lines (which don't seem to go all the way from top to bottom) may just be shading indicating fullness/gathering. Just my tuppence of course! Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Elizabeth Walpole elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] non paned trunkhose pre 1600 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:03:55 +1100 Thanks for your help, Karen, I had looked at the Fete at Bermondsey, Wikipedia has a nice big scan http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Joris_Hoefnagel_Fete_at_Bermondsey_c_1569.jpg(or if the long link breaks try http://snipurl.com/uppuz) but I saw some yellow lines on those white trunkhose that looked too much like panes for me to be confident, I didn't notice the man all in black with a tall hat slightly to the left of centre with a lady on either side that definitely looks like non paned trunkhose. I like the woodcut especially as it's a good illustration of the overall style I wanted to make. Thanks also to those who gave information on the use of the term 'mistress' it's always helpful to find out that I'm not being as period incorrect as I thought. Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=Zk7godLYi6-0a9VNEfoheQAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] non paned trunkhose pre 1600
A quick survey of my Elizabethan portrait resources shows that paned slops were the most common, but there are several pieces of pictorial evidence which show non-paned slops. If you go to this link ( http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/Various_4.htm ) and scroll most of the way down the page you will find a wood cut of 'A Workman' done in 1569 which clearly shows unpaned slops. Also if you check 'A Fete At Bermondsey' by Joris Hofnagel, you will see a wide variety of clothing worn by Elizabethans and there are several in the painting which appear to be unpaned slops- particularly a man dancing to the right front of the painting in a bluish jerkin with pale slops and hose. My guess that while non-paned slops are not a reenactorism, they are also not the norm as far as we can tell from period artwork. Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Elizabeth Walpole elizabeth.r.walp...@gmail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] non paned trunkhose pre 1600 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:37:35 +1100 Good evening all, I've been asked to help a friend make a pair of Elizabethan trunkhose (aka punpkin pants) and they have requested plain single layer trunkhose but all the extant examples of single layer (instead of panes with the lining pulled out through the slashes) in Patterns of Fashion are post 1600. So far I've not been able to find a pictorial or extant example of pre 1600 plain trunkhose (despite the number of examples I see in this style in modern costuming) I'm not going to actually make a pair of paned trunkhose (as this plus a doublet have to be complete by Easter) but I would like to know whether it is period or a reenactorism. Any leads on period examples of non paned trunkhose would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Small Business Tools Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=kCqohUCnIAaRgKc9HdWE_gAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAYAAADNAAARMQA= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] questions
-- Original Message -- From: Julie jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] questions Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:45:38 -0800 (PST) Is there a difference between a farthingale and hoops? I need hoops/something under my skirts. Yes and no. In their most basic form, they are stiffened underskirts desined to hold the over skirts out from the legs/body. In design, 'farthingales' are more cone shaped and 'hoops' (based on the mid-Victorian model) are more bell shaped. The 'hoops' can be made more 'farthingale'-like by reducing the size of the top hoop or two to make them more conical. 1. I'm told that the bridal hoops sold are made of synthetic material and so will be miserable at a warm fair. Is this so? Or are there hoops available made of cotton or linen? I have seen hoops made from a light cotton, but the synthetic part isn't as important since the hoops will stand away from your body and not trap heat and moisture against your skin the way synthetics in bodices will. 2. If I have to make my own hoops, where do you recommend I buy the hoop material? Greenburg Hammer, or Farthingales both sell hoop wire. 3. Who do you like for steel boning for corsets bodices? I don't like steel boning for Elizabethan corsets or bodices at all. You can use reeds if you want a period substance. I like using plastic zip ties as they have the closest movement to whalebone. Steel bones flex back and forth but not side to side and they increase the likelihood of developing 'corset burn' which is the irritation and blistering of the skin of the waist and torso created by excessively rigid boning over sweaty skin. Thanks Julie in Ramona ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=-AWPM8YPR3OSZegNiXmDdAAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] questions
There are significant design differences between Elizabethan 'pair of bodies' and Victorian corsets. I do the Bristol Renaissance Faire in July and August and I have seen some screaming cases of corset burn caused to women who wore corsets made with rigid steel boning. The Elizabethan 'pair of bodies' puts quite a bit of pressure on the waist as the boning ends at the waist or slightly below. I don't recommend steel boning for Elizabehan bodies as they aren't particularly correct to period and they can cause damage if used improperly. In your Victorian corset, many of the bones are probably actually spiral steels which have more of the flexibility of whale bone and bend over the complex curves of the female torso better than rigid steels. YMMV Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) I have to respectfully disagree about the steel boning causing blistering. As someone who attends a 9 day Victorian Festival in August where I wear a corset from morning until night (approx 14 hrs a day) every single one of those 9 days (including dancing most of the evenings), I have never had such a thing happen even at my most sweaty. From: penhal...@juno.com penhal...@juno.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:02:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] questions -- Original Message -- From: Julie jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] questions Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:45:38 -0800 (PST) Is there a difference between a farthingale and hoops? I need hoops/something under my skirts. Yes and no. In their most basic form, they are stiffened underskirts desined to hold the over skirts out from the legs/body. In design, 'farthingales' are more cone shaped and 'hoops' (based on the mid-Victorian model) are more bell shaped. The 'hoops' can be made more 'farthingale'-like by reducing the size of the top hoop or two to make them more conical. 1. I'm told that the bridal hoops sold are made of synthetic material and so will be miserable at a warm fair. Is this so? Or are there hoops available made of cotton or linen? I have seen hoops made from a light cotton, but the synthetic part isn't as important since the hoops will stand away from your body and not trap heat and moisture against your skin the way synthetics in bodices will. 2. If I have to make my own hoops, where do you recommend I buy the hoop material? Greenburg Hammer, or Farthingales both sell hoop wire. 3. Who do you like for steel boning for corsets bodices? I don't like steel boning for Elizabethan corsets or bodices at all. You can use reeds if you want a period substance. I like using plastic zip ties as they have the closest movement to whalebone. Steel bones flex back and forth but not side to side and they increase the likelihood of developing 'corset burn' which is the irritation and blistering of the skin of the waist and torso created by excessively rigid boning over sweaty skin. Thanks Julie in Ramona ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=-AWPM8YPR3OSZegNiXmDdAAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAYAAADNAAAEUgA= ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Reply re - cloth of gold--sources? Request re - camlet sarcenet.
The term 'chaungeable' typically means that the threads in the weft are one color and the warp a different color so that the color shifts depending on how you look at it. At least I am assuming that 'chaungeable' is a period spelling of 'changeable' and that's what 'changeable' means. Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: julian wilson smnc...@yahoo.co.uk To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Reply re - cloth of gold--sources? Request re - camlet sarcenet. Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:00:48 + (GMT) --- On Sat, 10/10/09, e...@huskers.unl.edu e...@huskers.unl.edu wrote: Does anyone know where to get cloth of gold? I'm looking for the real deal--largely for pricing and availability at this point. (I've got at least a good enough supplier of cloth of mystery metal) SUGGESTION If I was looking for real Cloth of Gold for my garb, I start by searching the www. for old-established Firms - in England, France, and Italy, - that specialise in supplying Church vestments. It won't be cheap, though, not with the current gold price running at over $600US per Troy ounce! Why especially those Countries? There is a large Roman Catholic population in the Americas, and therefore an occasional demand for cloth of gold for [replacement or new] gorgeous copes,chasubles, altar cloths, c. - but, IMHO, there is less perception in the American Catholic Community that such opulent display is acceptable while there is so much poverty in the world. Whereas, in Europe, it is a centuries-old Catholic and Greek/Russian Orthodox tradition that celebrants vest themselves and the altars and shrines in gorgeous raiment - and I think in the Orthodox liturgical guidelines, types of copes are actually specified for the various Seasons of the Religious Year. . Also, the European Firms that specialise in supplying fabrics for Church use will have been doing it longer, the demand for gorgeous vestments is likely to be greater, and they are closer to the sources of supply - these days mostly wholesale manufacturers in China, where labour costs are still low. REQUEST Now, in return, can anyone point me to sources for black camlet and black sarcenet? And does anyone know what was meant in the Exchequer Accounts of Henry VII for September,1485 by chaungeable sarcenet? Cordially, Julian Wilson, in old Jersey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYdjNbXZkBcQrjhT6KSm9J8a1cA1ubgPZc8hUewstC3HEkVZ5S4/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
I'll be looking forward to seeing them. *grin* Karen Seamstrix Fashion Folio Coordinator -- Original Message -- From: Ann Catelli elvestoor...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland? Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Whatever your conclusions--draw them up quickly send them in to the Future Fashion Folio for Costume-Con 28 http://www.cc28.org/futurefolio.php; the deadline is September 30 (postmark or email). Ann in CT still needs to mail out the 65 or so designs at my house; not all mine.ac --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Elena House exst...@gmail.com wrote: I can definitely see that typical colonial reaction of anything from the homeland being better, but sheer scarcity would surely lead the colonists to make use of what's around them. I'm also thinking, though, about the many types of native clothing that European frontiersmen adopted, and how American Indians accessorized with trade goods -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTFoYdvBgj3EbAzRjcOf4xt3Z7lVP6nWb42XO5vpJCrP7tPMr5Y3Zm/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes
I have no personal experience with either but while surfing for Kentwell information tonight (hey, a girl can dream!) I noted that Pilgrim Shoes is one of the official vendors for their Tudor/Elizabethan reenactors and actually sells from a booth while the reenactment is open. Karen Seamstrix. -- Original Message -- From: Sharon Collier sha...@collierfam.com To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:45:54 -0700 Have you looked at Soles Thru Time? A couple of re-enactor friends have these and love them. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of A. Thurman Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:51 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] comparison shopping - Tudor Shoes I'm considering two different vendors to finally get myself some historically accurate Tudor/Elizabethan footwear. The vendors I'm considering are Pilgrim Shoes in the UK: http://www.pilgrimshoes.co.uk/ and Armlann in the States: http://www.armlann.com/. I've heard good things about the latter, next to nothing about the former, but I'm interested in their slip-on style which Armlann doesn't seem to offer. Can anyone offer any anecdotes, experiences etc. for or against? Thanks in advance, A. Thurman ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume State-of-the-Art Dental General dental practice welcomes new patients emergencies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=dxgrWJ-BYmwNWdHU3oSgoQAAJ1AvoIBeuuk_F0glj6oEWAQQAAUAAFCNFz5CpjebK-iTv38cc_m1uxBfAA== ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats
A tricorn is just a regular round brimmed hat with the brim folded up in three places. You can fashion a tricorn out of any round brimmed hat. The particular style varied thru it's time of fashion with the brim being wider/higher vs narrower/lower so it will depend on exactly where in the timeline you are trying to be. Do you have a particular year or fashion you are trying to do? Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: HAGIOS FENUM hagiosfe...@prtc.net To: h-cost...@indra.com, h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:26:16 -0400 Do anyone on this fine list knows how to make a tricorn hat and wants to share the info? I'll appreciate it very much. JP ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmQkFgfjrvDn5HDF58GBISDMiWOXXKQErA8qGgB68zBzcDSoOHW/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?
Have you checked Vecellio's costume book? Done in the late 16th century and covering most of the world (although the farther you get from Italy, the more suspect the designs become). I'm sure he did some costume from the Slavic regions. Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:04:15 -0700 I will check her out. I was just able to purchase this: Max Tilke Folk Costume Patterns from Russa, Asia and the Greek Urals. I don't know how far back they go but the pictures were awesome! Thanks for all your suggestions! Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:51:37 + From: rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? Sara, have you seen any of Alessandra Thor's original work? She is a Russian dollmaker originally connected with the Seeley clan. I find her folk dolls to be awesome...and she often dresses them in Old Time garb. -Original Message- From: Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com Sent 3/31/2009 10:14:02 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?Ah ha! Thank you. I had seen the Kennedy book in OLC, but bad, prejudiced me, I thought - Jackie Kennedy wrote anything worth reading??? Looking at Tilke right now - very cool. So far, there are pictures and hints that this type of dress was typical up to the 20th century...looks like I will have to dig further to see if I can find any hard evidence to show it actually existed before the 18th century. Thank you very much for the lead! Sg To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:35:47 + From: rmitch...@staff.washjeff.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century? You might start with the Jackie Kennedy volume on Russian costume. It includes many photos of folk costume from Russian regions. I would also check Tilke for Russian regional dress. Kathleen -Original Message- From: K?the Barrows kay...@gmail.com Sent 3/31/2009 5:43:12 AM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Russian Peasant dress prior to 17th century?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarafan I have made all the body parts and faces for this doll: http://www.smallwork.com/babayaga.html While I love the style, I'd like to dress her in clothing which is earlier than (what I understand) 18th and 19th century peasant costume is. I am having difficulty finding artwork and/or resources to do that with. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- Blank paper is God's way of saying it ain't so easy being God. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-cost...@mail.indra.comhttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ?? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click here to choose from a huge selection of shipping supplies! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTNaw19S0eSMWkJJJMUo4QeOTZ8ZSZKLZlenHPavTUBALknPrcZAdi/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New TT book?
According to a mutual friend, they have been having problems coming to terms with the publisher of Tudor Tailor and so have decided to start their own publishing house (Fat Goose) in order to put out smaller editions modeled on the Osprey military series that focus on specific parts of period costuming. According to the mutual friend they will also be looking to publish well researched papers from other people. It sounds as though they will be publishing the information they intended to publish but in smaller bits. The first in the new series will be 'The King's Servants' focusing on the working class male of the Tudor Era. Stand by for updates/clarification! Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New TT book? Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:29:14 -0400 I know they've been planning to do a similar book for 17th C (The Stuart Tailor) but I've yet to see evidence that they're even as far as taking pre-sales on their website. The website mentions that they are taking pre-orders for another 16th c book The King's Servants: Men's Dress at the Accession of King Henry VIII: http://www.tudortailor.com/ -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. --Voltaire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Visit beautiful Miami. Click now for great vacation packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHoMhMGF9CygbHfF4bqWXmtPXsX0wnXkrjqRLuqEQosJ3abOawz2A/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question
Ye, I agree, this is not any particular period but it is trying to be vaguely Victorian. If you can find the patterns that were released after 'Titanic' became popular, you will be much closer to the corrrect style. Like these: http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/19gapadrbyfo.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/hiofhi19shco.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/jacateadrbyf.html http://www.lostcoasthistpatterns.com/seandse19kid.html (This is not an endorsement of either the patterns or the site, just some examples) Karen Seamstrix -- Original Message -- From: Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterns date question Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:41 -0400 On Wednesday 11 March 2009 7:26:04 am Deredere Galbraith wrote: I was wondering from when the costume is on the left of the picture. I have been asked to make that costume for reenactment in the Netherlands during the 1sth world war. And I wonder if that dress is the right period. http://www.naaipatronen.nl/afb/swb/B4954.jpg De: the costume shown doesn't look to be particularly period to me for any period, but it looks more like an 1890s outfit than anything else. So I'm inclined to say, no, it's not right for WWI. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Croshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPjr9ZNDaxqfzgQyAchwEkDfl2fkJ56vpkVpiz7f4uOTpdoTOg/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mary I -- FOUND
I'm still thinking that this portrait is (at best) a portrait of Mary of Scotland which has been confused with Mary Tudor. The style of everything about it is terribly French and at least a decade after Mary Tudor died. Since Mary Tudor married the King of Spain, she wasn't terribly popular in France and she had her portrait painted by only a couple of artists in her relatively brief reign and they were not French. Karen Seamstrix -- Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org wrote: My dear husband is loopy tonight, too much work out in the cold today. So he was noodling around on-line, bored with his cheating cribbage program (!), and found the original Mary I painting. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHouseOfTudor still looking for an attribution. (for hours and hours and hours! no luck!!) ah, the wonder-boy does it again! I had cleaned away all the links to the engraving that started this, but he has found it http://womenshistory.about.com/od/tudor/a/tudor_women_4.htm The caption there says after Holbein! Comparing the two, we find it very interesting how much older the monochrome looks (the person in the monochrome, I mean), vs. the child in color! The white furring in the color image looks much more reasonable, too. enjoy! Chimene Gerek ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmPoYN5xl3rqnHY15jsmuP9RATqBaP7I1vukffw68m0GVAM7uM4/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Organization
I have two sets of wire drawers of various sizes that I use to keep my projects together. They are a bit pricey but if you can find a sale they are worth it. I got mine at Home Depot and you can get the rack for them in a couple of heights and the drawers in 3 or 4 depths so you can have your 'skinny' projects and your 'thick' projects and have them in appropriate sized drawers. I also use the giant Ziploc bags for smaller projects like shirts/chemises. Karen Seamstrix -- Lauren Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, all, How do you store projects? I have a lot of those big Rubbermaid tubs for storing yardgoods; but what do you use for keeping individual projects together--pattern, fabric, etc.? I've been using 2-gallon industrial size Ziploc bags, but they are slippery, and from time to time I have a project avalanche. I mean, yes, I should probably only have one project going at a time and then it wouldn't matter so much. But since I don't, any suggestions? Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net http://www.timetraveltextiles.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click here to find single Christians that want to meet you today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw23Hb6eIlkleLzdvp5GQ2NEBbBOe0tqfQUDHDxh6DA3odmmM/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Italian sleeve question
Are we even sure that it's a part of the sleeve? I'm not an expert on this period but it looks possible that it's a series of ribbon-like bits that have an almost fringe effect. Karen Seamstrix -- Catherine Olanich Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com wrote: On Tuesday 30 December 2008 6:07:59 pm Lyonet wrote: Greetings to the list, I have spent too much time looking at paintings today and have been entranced by this one in particular. The dress is begging to be made someday, in my mind. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/CARIANISeduction.JPG These sleeves look like the sleeve head has been embroidered and then cartridge pleated, also at the cuff and then cartridge pleated near the elbow area. Am I interpreting this correctly? And I am thinking the bodice is with the same treatment but is flat, yes? Thanks for any input to my question. Frankly, to me it looks as though the pleated and trimmed section at the armscye is a separate piece, and is not joined to the sleeve at all. However, Italian Ren isn't my main period of interest. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com If someone offers you a dead dog for lunch, you don't stick around for the pudding. --Ben Yahtzee Crenshaw ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click to find information on your credit score and your credit report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Oy9uV2yQFc6CxCFuZPBK24vfEnREWTQPnbrRP5xShJjKrm/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Byzantine Headresses
I am writing on behalf of a friend who is interested in doing some Byzantine woman's headresses. She can only find a few basic styles (I think she's actually only found one!) and is interested in sources which might show her different options. Does anyone here know of places which would be good to search? Karen Seamstrix Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1fTGjHBEK8KkVNOzw1knq9MAAXOZGR23feYZFjhESBvKmOU/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
