Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
Oh I know nobody really looks like that, but one can wish :-) Anyway, the cost is being offset by the fact that the corsetier *is* a friend, who happens to make corsets Since she's never done this period either, it will be a learning experience for both of us, so I'm only paying for materials. If I had to do it myself, it would never be more than just a good idea. Trust me. MaggiRos On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Marjorie Wilser wrote: > Maggie, > > Few people _are_ as thin as the fashion plates. Heck, compare yourself (or > anybody else!) to modern fashion illustrations. Nobody on earth has legs > that long (and I am long-legged)!! nobody. > > Corsets aren't all that difficult to make, but you do need a fitting buddy > with educated hands to pin-fit them. If you have that, it's worth the effort > (I have made my own, 1835 - 1900). Corsetiers are expensive. > > Best of luck! It's worth it for that lovely gown. > >== Marjorie Wilser > > =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= > > "Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement." --MW > > http://3toad.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > On Aug 22, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Maggie wrote: > > I'm going to take the plunge and make this Teens corset--well, have it >> made. >> It should be an interesting experience for both of us, the corsetier and >> me. >> A learning experience! I'll feel much better about making and wearing the >> dress--the one I first fell in love with and possibly more--with the >> proper >> undergarments (If only I were as thin as the fashion plates!). >> >> MaggiRos >> >> >> Maggie Secara >> ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 >> Available at your favorite online bookseller >> See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. >>> At >>> least >>> one shows creases where your thighs would bend. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You'll notice that the bones do not go all the way to the bottom, but >>> usually stop at the high hip line. The casings do continue all the way >>> down >>> but usually have some kind of light stiffener in them. The pair I have, >>> and >>> others I've seen, seem to have something like stiff paper in the casings >>> below the hip level... but I really don't know what's in there. >>> >>> >>> ___ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
Maggie, Few people _are_ as thin as the fashion plates. Heck, compare yourself (or anybody else!) to modern fashion illustrations. Nobody on earth has legs that long (and I am long-legged)!! nobody. Corsets aren't all that difficult to make, but you do need a fitting buddy with educated hands to pin-fit them. If you have that, it's worth the effort (I have made my own, 1835 - 1900). Corsetiers are expensive. Best of luck! It's worth it for that lovely gown. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= "Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement." --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Aug 22, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Maggie wrote: I'm going to take the plunge and make this Teens corset--well, have it made. It should be an interesting experience for both of us, the corsetier and me. A learning experience! I'll feel much better about making and wearing the dress--the one I first fell in love with and possibly more--with the proper undergarments (If only I were as thin as the fashion plates!). MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, wrote: Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. At least one shows creases where your thighs would bend. You'll notice that the bones do not go all the way to the bottom, but usually stop at the high hip line. The casings do continue all the way down but usually have some kind of light stiffener in them. The pair I have, and others I've seen, seem to have something like stiff paper in the casings below the hip level... but I really don't know what's in there. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
I'm going to take the plunge and make this Teens corset--well, have it made. It should be an interesting experience for both of us, the corsetier and me. A learning experience! I'll feel much better about making and wearing the dress--the one I first fell in love with and possibly more--with the proper undergarments (If only I were as thin as the fashion plates!). MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, wrote: > > > > Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. At > least > one shows creases where your thighs would bend. > > > > > > > You'll notice that the bones do not go all the way to the bottom, but > usually stop at the high hip line. The casings do continue all the way down > but usually have some kind of light stiffener in them. The pair I have, and > others I've seen, seem to have something like stiff paper in the casings > below the hip level... but I really don't know what's in there. > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
Heh, my work here is done. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Suzanne wrote: > MaggiRos, you are evil. > I looked at the vintage patterns on this site... and I want every single > one of them! Awesome. > Thanks, > Suzanne > > > From: Maggie >> Date: August 20, 2009 11:37:29 AM CDT >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays >> ... >> >> And here's a collection of the real thing >> http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens+WWI_corsets.htm >> >> >> MaggiRos >> > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
MaggiRos, you are evil. I looked at the vintage patterns on this site... and I want every single one of them! Awesome. Thanks, Suzanne From: Maggie Date: August 20, 2009 11:37:29 AM CDT To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays ... And here's a collection of the real thing http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens +WWI_corsets.htm MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
> Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. > At least one shows creases where your thighs would bend. Did this style >of corset last long? Yes and no - The style as pictured here: http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens+WWI_corsets.htm doesn't last long (just under 10 years, really), but the underbust style, seen in the last pictures of the second row, is actually pretty similar to the 1920s and even the 1930s girdles. In my vintage collection, I have a 1930s girdle which is made more complicated by including a bra as part of the girdle, but whose construction - in terms of materials, and boning, and the basic shapes of the hip/tummy pieces is similar to a 1910 corset in my collection. The 1930 version actually falls lower on the thigh. In my experience, when the corset falls below the hip joint, the bones don't go all the way to the bottom edge, in order to allow sitting. One does sit differently in them then in jeans, but I sit differently in my 1860s corset then I do in jeans, too. Hope that helps! -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. At least one shows creases where your thighs would bend. You'll notice that the bones do not go all the way to the bottom, but usually stop at the high hip line. The casings do continue all the way down but usually have some kind of light stiffener in them. The pair I have, and others I've seen, seem to have something like stiff paper in the casings below the hip level... but I really don't know what's in there. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
You'd have to ask Lara, who owns the collection, but from what she shows, they do seem to have lasted through the decade, just fine. Then when you go to the Twenties on the next page, you do start to see some changes. The waist comes down, and the length comes up, elastic comes in, and the whole thing starts to turn into a girdle. It's fascinating to watch the changes through the decades, like a flip book! One piece foundation garments have never entirely disappeared, but they're no longer the principal undergarment (thank god!) On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Gorgeous! > > Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. At > least one shows creases where your thighs would bend. Did this style of > corset last long? Is there an speculation that their extremeness might have > contributed to their popularity being brief? > > I'd love to make one of these someday, garter straps and all! > > > > Claudine > > > > - Original Message > > From: Maggie > > To: Historical Costume > > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:37:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays > > > > And here's a collection of the real thing > > http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens+WWI_corsets.htm > > > > > > MaggiRos > > > > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
Gorgeous! Now, sitting in those long-bodied corsets must have been...interesting. At least one shows creases where your thighs would bend. Did this style of corset last long? Is there an speculation that their extremeness might have contributed to their popularity being brief? I'd love to make one of these someday, garter straps and all! Claudine - Original Message > From: Maggie > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:37:29 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays > > And here's a collection of the real thing > http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens+WWI_corsets.htm > > > MaggiRos > > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913 stays
And here's a collection of the real thing http://laracorsets.com/Antique_corset_collection_5_Teens+WWI_corsets.htm MaggiRos On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Maggie wrote: > I think this is the one I have at home, but it's been a couple of years > since I looked at it. > > http://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Fashions-1909-1920-Pictured-Catalogs/dp/0486286282 > > It has the Look Inside feature, and one of the pages is support garments, > 1909. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Maggie wrote: > >> Great illustrations! Now I begin to remember. I do have a book of catalog >> illustrations from the 20s and maybe one from the teens, too, I'll have to >> look. Thanks! >> >> MaggiRos >> >> >> >> >> Maggie Secara >> ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 >> Available at your favorite online bookseller >> See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Katy Bishop wrote: >> >>> I have a page on my website with some undergarment illustrations from >>> the 1910s, including some tango knickers! >>> >>> http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910_acc.html >>> >>> About 15 years ago I bought a girdle, made of a woven mostly-cotton >>> fabric that was almost identical to 1910s corsets (corsets get shorter >>> by mid-decade), it's great. I don't know if they can still be found. >>> I don't know of a pattern for a corset of the. The corset doesn't >>> support the bust in the way a 19th century corset does, a separate >>> brassiere would probably have been worn. >>> >>> Katy >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Maggie wrote: >>> > And while we're at it, what sort of stays or whatever do I need if I >>> want to >>> > wear this authentically? >>> > I'm serious, I am totally lost in this era, I just know I love the >>> look. >>> > >>> > MaggiRos >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
