Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
For a stage costume, use drinking straws, cut into pieces. They would thread quickly onto string, (put two strings through a straw piece, then split the strings and put through another straw piece with strings on either side, if that makes sense) and you could put pre-made beaded fringe on the bottom for movement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Rather than regular plastic drinking straws, what about using the coffee stirrer type straws? They would be more of the size of the original beads. They could be cut, slit length-wise, painted with plastic friendly spray paint, and then put on the netting. Kate Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a stage costume, use drinking straws, cut into pieces. They would thread quickly onto string, (put two strings through a straw piece, then split the strings and put through another straw piece with strings on either side, if that makes sense) and you could put pre-made beaded fringe on the bottom for movement. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/21/08 9:50 AM It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Sylvia Rognstad wrote: It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see fishnet sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Dawn wrote: Sylvia Rognstad wrote: It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? I used to see fishnet sold for decorating, in a little package with some seashells in some asian import shops on the east coast. Something like that, painted or dyed and decorated might work. We don't have shops like that in the midwest, so I don't know if that sort of thing is still available. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too weak. Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: Think macrame for this one. The beads are on cord which is netted together to create the dress, NOT sewn onto a net fabric. Thus you need to make your beaded macrame shell and then line it with something solid (the linen shift). However, if you choose to applique the beads to clothe and then sew up the shift, DO NOT use net fabric. It won't be strong enough to support the weight of the beads. My first encounter with this dress was the article in KMR (a journal re Egyptian archaeology) which discussed the find and the reconstruction. IIRC, the hypothesis there was that this was worn over some form of a linen garment the style of which is presently unknown. Ginni Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/21/08 9:50 AM It's the net fabric I need to find. Any suggestions? On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Ginni Morgan wrote: I would suggest using a medium weight natural color linen as a straight sleeveless shift/tunic. Then do the bead net and fasten it down to the undershift. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/08 9:55 PM Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1 scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx?cid=158idx=6 300tid=1info=Netting Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
For fishnets, try Hobby Lobby, or the Party Store (I think that's the name), or anyplace that sells Hawaiian party stuff. Even Albertsons used to carry it in the summer years ago. It's Luau Time! :-) Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian www.mantua-maker.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:08:29 -0600 From: Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I havent seen any fishnet for quite some time, but I'll look around. Thanks. Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Sylvia wrote: I had been thinking of crocheting, but I really don't want to have to macrame a dress either. That's why I asked if anyone had come across a netted fabric that would work. I know that nylon net is way too weak. Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. If you do find some fishnet (1 inch squares or something like that) I'd suggest threading the beads on something strong and also sewing them individually to the strings of the net (i.e. sew through each bead, not just over the string they are threaded on). Of course, if you aren't particularly looking for durability, this becomes less important and you do have more alternatives (many of which will be less work). I don't know whether Gillian Vogelsang-Eastwood's book on Pharaonic clothing addresses this type of garment, but that might be a good source to check. 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Chris Laning wrote: Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Paper beads might be a good idea. Thanx! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Dawn wrote: Chris Laning wrote: Yes, my chief concern would be finding a way to attach or hang the beads that was *strong enough.* That many beads are going to be *very* heavy, and I'd be afraid that even sewing them onto linen fabric would not be strong enough. I would guess that the original beads were threaded onto the actual string from which the net was made. I was thinking, for stage use, if I was doing it I would try making paper beads right on the net, stretch it in a frame or something and roll slips of paper on it like this: http://www.tappi.org/paperu/art_class/paperBeads.htm You could use silver or gold wrapping paper for metallic beads, and it would weigh a lot less than plastic or glass beads. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Thank you! Sylvia On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Kate Pinner wrote: Try Rose Brand fabrics for 1 scenery netting http://www.rosebrand.com/product787/30-Scenery-Netting-FR.aspx? cid=158idx=6 300tid=1info=Netting Kate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
There are also a couple at the MFA in Boston: http://mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=trueid=146531coll_keywords=coll_accession=coll_name=dresscoll_artist=coll_place=coll_medium=coll_culture=egyptcoll_classification=coll_credit=coll_provenance=coll_location=coll_has_images=coll_on_view=coll_sort=2coll_sort_order=0coll_view=0coll_package=0coll_start=1 Beadnet dress Egyptian, Old Kingdom, Dynasty 4, reign of Khufu, 2551–2528 B.C. Findspot: Giza, Egypt Length x width: 113 x 44 cm (44 1/2 x 17 5/16 in.) Faience Harvard University—Boston Museum of Fine Arts Expedition, 1927 Accession number: 27.1548.1 http://mfa.org/collections/search_art.asp?recview=trueid=315900coll_keywords=coll_accession=coll_name=dresscoll_artist=coll_place=coll_medium=coll_culture=egyptcoll_classification=coll_credit=coll_provenance=coll_location=coll_has_images=coll_on_view=coll_sort=2coll_sort_order=0coll_view=0coll_package=0coll_start=1 Beadnet dress Egyptian, Old Kingdom, Dynasty 6, 2323–2150 B.C. Findspot: Giza, Egypt Overall: 114.3 x 73.7cm (45 x 29in.) Overall: 116.8 x 31.8 x 17.8 cm (46 x 12 1/2 x 7 in.) Block (fabric figure form with clip and cleat): 122.6 x 18.4 cm (48 1/4 x 7 1/4 in.) Faience Harvard University—Boston Museum of Fine Arts Expedition, 1933 Accession number: 33.1020.1 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the URL for the Egyptian beaded net dress: http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=UC17743accesscheck=%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php copy the entire url. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeslideshows.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Speaking of such, has anyone ever come across any fabric that might work for a stage costume of this? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
I thought I had saved it, but now cannot find a bookmarked file of a picture of an ancient Egyptian beaded (crocheted?) dress that must have been exhumed at some point and was still in fairly decent shape. Does someone still have that link? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ancient Egyptian beaded dress
Sylvia My recollection from the article in KMR is that the dress was netted, not crocheted. When you find the link, could you post it here as well. I'm not sure that I still of that magazine. Ginni Morgan Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/17/08 4:56 PM I thought I had saved it, but now cannot find a bookmarked file of a picture of an ancient Egyptian beaded (crocheted?) dress that must have been exhumed at some point and was still in fairly decent shape. Does someone still have that link? Sylvia ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
