Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
At 04:33 PM 8/27/2007, you wrote: My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks opium visiting the Spanish court. I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm looking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off the museum photos for me but nothing so far. Any leads? Thanks in advance. Julie I can't help as much as I'd like, I have a Tang persona, and don't know much about the Ming, but here are a few links to start you on your search. Honestly, the earlier costumes are easier to make than the cheongsam. Definitely get the 5000 Years book. It is not infallible, but a great start. Good Luck, Genie A few references: http://www.marlamallett.com/ref-chinese.htm There is one Ming costume here: http://www2.bc.edu/~zhaoyj/dynastycustum.html A bit of costume history with a picture (from 5000 Years of Chinese Costume) from the Ming dynasty: http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=1342 http://www.chinavoc.com.cn/ChineseCulture/ShowArticle.aspx?Id=9278 Time line of Chinese History http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/time_line.html Some extant embroidery: http://www.asianart.com/textiles/textile.html History of Chinese Embroidery: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/arts/embroidery.htm Tomb figurines: http://home.planet.nl/~claes027/tomb_figurines/tomb_figurines.htm Lots of women stories here: http://www.members.tripod.com/~journeyeast/history.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Chinese costuming help
My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks opium visiting the Spanish court. I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm looking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off the museum photos for me but nothing so far. * It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a copy of 5000 years of Chinese Costume. It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese clothing. andy * Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. *** I know Dover books has a couple on Chinese designs. They are cheap and readily available through most bookstores. It's all black and white line drawings and easy to reproduce, and permission is given with each purchased book to do so. *** That's right! I've looked at them - with a CD as well. Thanks for the reminder. *** Joann's is advertising brocade on sale for $5.99 this week. You might be able to cut strips of that and use it as edging on something. I'm not sure using poly brocade for the whole dress is a good idea this time of year. Dawn That's exactly what I bought. One small patterned brocade to use as the coat and a solid for trim/facings. Then I bought another brocade with 5 medallions and plan to cut them out and applique on the blouse. I tried to find a quilter's cotton that would have worked but didn't find anything except solids that would have to be heavily embellished. I'm not pleased with the polyester brocade for summer, but this needs to be ready by Sept. 9. * The cheongsam, while a truly lovely garment, was developed in Shanghai around 1930 from an earlier and looser coat/robe garment (rather like this men's garment (center one) from the late nineteenth century in Max Tilke: http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/plate/123.jpg). Ann in CT Yes. I was aware of that. I'm straddling that fine line of finding something remotely appropriate that dd will wear. She doesn't like the shapless tunics, even in beautiful fabrics. At least I'm getting her out of her pirate wench garb G. One battle at a time... I'm counting on not too many mundanes having a clue that the cheonsam is too modern G. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Julie wrote: It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a copy of 5000 years of Chinese Costume. It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese clothing. andy * Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. The $81 copy is in Australia. The others in the $200-300 range are in the US and reflect the standard pricing. There's a picture at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0835118223/ ref=ord_cart_shr/104-5086103-7604733?%5Fencoding=UTF8v=glance andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Julie wrote: [snip] * Wow! I found it from $81 to $300 but no pictures, darn it. I'd have to see a bood that expensive before I bought it. Thanks for the lead. I sympathize. The book itself, however, is loaded with color illustrations, both reconstruction drawings and renderings of period artwork. I got my copy from the Chicago Museum of Art (or whatever it's proper name is) back in the early 1990s for $50 USD; don't know if they still carry it or not. You can also try ILL, Here's something more immediately useful. Amazon.com is selling used copies, (no cheaper than the ones you located, alas) so they have a page for the book. That page has two customer images of inside pages. You may find them helpful in deciding what to do. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-images/0835118223/sr=11-1/qid=1188348158/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all/002-2070128-7904032?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1188348158sr=11-1#gallery If this URL doesn't render well, plugging the book's ISBN into Amazon's search box (ISBN: 0835118223) should pull the page for you. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.-- Gregory Benford ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Chinese costuming help
My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks opium visiting the Spanish court. I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm looking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off the museum photos for me but nothing so far. Any leads? Thanks in advance. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Julie wrote: My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. She's supposed to be the widow of a Chinese trader in spices, silks opium visiting the Spanish court. It'll be a smidge expensive on the used/rare book market, but find a copy of 5000 years of Chinese Costume. It's the most comprehensive resource I've ever found on Chinese clothing. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
Julie wrote: My daughter has now decided on a Chinese personna, ca 1575. We don't have to be particularly authentic, just recognizably Chinese. I know Dover books has a couple on Chinese designs. They are cheap and readily available through most bookstores. It's all black and white line drawings and easy to reproduce, and permission is given with each purchased book to do so. Joann's is advertising brocade on sale for $5.99 this week. You might be able to cut strips of that and use it as edging on something. I'm not sure using poly brocade for the whole dress is a good idea this time of year. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Chinese costuming help
--- Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought Folkwear's cheongsam dress and Chinese coat patterns. Now I'm looking for some embroidery and/or applique details. An image search turned up some gorgeous coats/gowns from museums. I'm trying to find sketches or schematics of decorative facings and embroidery that are usable to someone who doesn't draw. I've been begging hubby to draw some of the details off the museum photos for me but nothing so far. Julie The cheongsam, while a truly lovely garment, was developed in Shanghai around 1930 from an earlier and looser coat/robe garment (rather like this men's garment (center one) from the late nineteenth century in Max Tilke: http://www.indiana.edu/~librcsd/etext/tilke/plate/123.jpg). This information only brings you back to the nineteenth century, though. sorry. Ann in CT Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
