RE: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
What level of SPF sun block are you wearing? If you use a good, strong one, perhaps you wouldn't tan so much. By the way, I love the new red/pink dress you are making. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, would not hold very long. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich is perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse soiré in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the old baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that evening. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished a jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would use for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soiré ill wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne Bjarne Fashions in Makeup by Richard Corson, and The Art of Beauty by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts. (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
My make up stick is also water and sope removable. I use Kryolan Tv paint stick. I have used this stick many times til now, and i still have half the ammount left. I use this as a base, on top of this i use the same Kryolan transparent powder, then i paint my cheaks with red, and adds my eyebrows with a liner in brown, not black and last i stick on a mouche. Then i use a lot of Lavender water and a touch of Bergamot... Bjarne - Original Message - From: Andrew T Trembley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon I love the Grimas water-based face paint from the Netherlands (I mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo takes it off completely. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne Bjarne Fashions in Makeup by Richard Corson, and The Art of Beauty by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts. (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, would not hold very long. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich is perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse soiré in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the old baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that evening. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished a jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would use for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soiré ill wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne Bjarne Fashions in Makeup by Richard Corson, and The Art of Beauty by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts. (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, would not hold very long. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich is perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse soiré in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the old baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that evening. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished a jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would use for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soiré ill wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne Bjarne Fashions in Makeup by Richard Corson, and The Art of Beauty by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts. (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
I and my actors use that too. Stein's theatrical makeup used to (probably still does, but I bought mine some time ago--I don't get to act much and so it has lasted a long time!) make a very nice water- base pancake foundation, and a lot of the foundation makeup now being sold in cosmetics shops for ordinary use not unlike that. The Stein's was a solid that you wet with water and then applied with a sponge; this later commercial makeup is more like a cream that goes on with a sponge and dries like a cool powder. It stays cool on the face, which is a BIG advantage over the greasepaint (the theater stick). It also holds other applied makeup such as rouge, eye shadow, eye liner, etc., very well. And yes, comes off with water instead of cold cream. You can get it in a lot of shades including very pale. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Apr 10, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:h-costume- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, would not hold very long. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich is perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse soiré in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the old baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that evening. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished a jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would use for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soiré ill wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne Bjarne Fashions in Makeup by Richard Corson, and The Art of Beauty by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts. (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon I love the Grimas water-based face paint from the Netherlands (I mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo takes it off completely. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
At 23:19 10/04/2007, you wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon I love the Grimas water-based face paint from the Netherlands (I mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo takes it off completely. andy Andy Is that Fox's Makeup shop? I used Leichner for Kryolan for TV shoots, but nowadays most makeup girls use modern makeup for everyday clothes, and Dermablend for some more complicated blending. It's a while since I bought anything so need to update my box. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup
On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: At 23:19 10/04/2007, you wrote: On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon I love the Grimas water-based face paint from the Netherlands (I mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo takes it off completely. andy Andy Is that Fox's Makeup shop? 1st Night in Milton Keynes. They've got an online shop at http:// www.showmakeup.co.uk/. They were recommended to me by the Grimas wholesaler. They've got the whole line (water and grease). Only thing Grimas makes that's crap is their stage blood; the rest is great. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/ now men in makeup
For stage lighting I tell my danseurs (www.danselibre.org) to hit the theatrical makeup dept. Most of our performances dont require that intense coloring - we're in normally lit ballrooms public spaces or even a gym at Stanford, so I send them to the mall to find workout makeup. Clinique has good stuff, relatively comedeogenic (no zits!) and stays in place for a 4 hour dance rehearsal, performance or an evening of dancing. I suspect most of the women dont even bother with theatrical anymore. We just use theatrical application rules with workout fashion makeup. (I think the guys do theatrical... so they dont have to visit the Maybeline Revlon counters. grin) We're sticking to the 19th early 20th century fashions. I've never tried to do 18th c makeup styles with fashion makeup. Curious to hear how the experiments go, --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I and my actors use that too. Stein's theatrical makeup used to (probably still does, but I bought mine some time ago--I don't get to act much and so it has lasted a long time!) make a very nice water- base pancake foundation, and a lot of the foundation makeup now being sold in cosmetics shops for ordinary use not unlike that. The Stein's was a solid that you wet with water and then applied with a sponge; this later commercial makeup is more like a cream that goes on with a sponge and dries like a cool powder. It stays cool on the face, which is a BIG advantage over the greasepaint (the theater stick). It also holds other applied makeup such as rouge, eye shadow, eye liner, etc., very well. And yes, comes off with water instead of cold cream. You can get it in a lot of shades including very pale. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
