Re: [h-cost] Cranach Gown Project, was: Re: what is everyone working on?
That's the one. :0) I could just wear my bra under my garb, but where is the fun in that? Sheridan P. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Sent: April-04-13 2:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach Gown Project, was: Re: what is everyone working on? I think Sheridan was talking about this: http://www.livescience.com/21691-600-year-old-medieval-bras-discovered.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/20/medieval-bras-history-wo men-support Quite fascinating! Especially considering it changes everything we thought we knew about bra history. 'Bella On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Sharon Henderson < henderson.sha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a fun project, Sheridan! > > Is there a website or a reference where we could see the "bra finds", > and will you post pics of the resulting shift? A Cranach gown has > been on my Wanna Do This List for ages. :) > > Cheers, > Meli > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Sheridan wrote: > > > > > Currently I'm working on a Saxony/Cranach style gown, from the skin out. > > Starting with a shift based on those Medieval 'bra' finds from a few > years > > ago, and finishing with a giant hat full of feathers. :0) > > > > Currently I have part of the shift draped, just needs to be sewn, > > trimmed and then turned into a final pattern. I've got the test run > > of a chemise/shirt currently on my dress form, awaiting some buttons > > and a bit of tweaking. (Not completely happy with the pattern I > > drafted) There is > also a > > gollar that I had to do some major re-working on (I used a > > commercial pattern, and I'm very un-pleased about the fit) and I'm > > now at the > trimming > > stage with it. Fabric for the gown has been sitting in my stash for > > over > 10 > > years, I finally found and purchased my border fabric this weekend > > and I found my stash of ribbons/trims that I have been stockpiling > > for this outfit over the years. > > > > Finally hit critical mass with this one, so it's time to sew! > > > > Sheridan P. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach Gown Project, was: Re: what is everyone working on?
I think Sheridan was talking about this: http://www.livescience.com/21691-600-year-old-medieval-bras-discovered.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/20/medieval-bras-history-women-support Quite fascinating! Especially considering it changes everything we thought we knew about bra history. 'Bella On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Sharon Henderson < henderson.sha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a fun project, Sheridan! > > Is there a website or a reference where we could see the "bra finds", and > will you post pics of the resulting shift? A Cranach gown has been on my > Wanna Do This List for ages. :) > > Cheers, > Meli > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Sheridan wrote: > > > > > Currently I'm working on a Saxony/Cranach style gown, from the skin out. > > Starting with a shift based on those Medieval 'bra' finds from a few > years > > ago, and finishing with a giant hat full of feathers. :0) > > > > Currently I have part of the shift draped, just needs to be sewn, trimmed > > and then turned into a final pattern. I've got the test run of a > > chemise/shirt currently on my dress form, awaiting some buttons and a bit > > of > > tweaking. (Not completely happy with the pattern I drafted) There is > also a > > gollar that I had to do some major re-working on (I used a commercial > > pattern, and I'm very un-pleased about the fit) and I'm now at the > trimming > > stage with it. Fabric for the gown has been sitting in my stash for over > 10 > > years, I finally found and purchased my border fabric this weekend and I > > found my stash of ribbons/trims that I have been stockpiling for this > > outfit > > over the years. > > > > Finally hit critical mass with this one, so it's time to sew! > > > > Sheridan P. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cranach Gown Project, was: Re: what is everyone working on?
Sounds like a fun project, Sheridan! Is there a website or a reference where we could see the "bra finds", and will you post pics of the resulting shift? A Cranach gown has been on my Wanna Do This List for ages. :) Cheers, Meli On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Sheridan wrote: > > Currently I'm working on a Saxony/Cranach style gown, from the skin out. > Starting with a shift based on those Medieval 'bra' finds from a few years > ago, and finishing with a giant hat full of feathers. :0) > > Currently I have part of the shift draped, just needs to be sewn, trimmed > and then turned into a final pattern. I've got the test run of a > chemise/shirt currently on my dress form, awaiting some buttons and a bit > of > tweaking. (Not completely happy with the pattern I drafted) There is also a > gollar that I had to do some major re-working on (I used a commercial > pattern, and I'm very un-pleased about the fit) and I'm now at the trimming > stage with it. Fabric for the gown has been sitting in my stash for over 10 > years, I finally found and purchased my border fabric this weekend and I > found my stash of ribbons/trims that I have been stockpiling for this > outfit > over the years. > > Finally hit critical mass with this one, so it's time to sew! > > Sheridan P. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cranach gown
I'll rather send this to all so that everyone who is interested can order something. Here: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf is a list of things they offer, and there should be all information necessary for the order. The first two books are the ones that come in question, and the "Kleider and Blusen" book for the sloper (they claim there is one, so let's hope they're right).Anyway, I can give you this necessary "sloper" information myself, so that you have something to start with. Just contact me privately:-) I've called them and asked whether there was any additional information (like sloper) for the men's historical patterns necessary, and they told me no. So no need to order anything more for the men's patterns. (Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about this, but as soon as I get this book I'll let you know - I should get it till the end of October, but I hope it'll come sooner:-)) It's all in German, unfortunately, BUT as I said, you won't need it much... I don't read the texts either...even though they are interesting, but I wouldn't say necessary. You only have to understand the basics, but then it's ok... Anyway, Bambi said she would be so kind and translate something, if you needed it, and you can ask me too, but since I'm not an English native speaker, I'll never be so good:-) Zuzana - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Hi, I dont mean to inturrupts but.. If you need help with the captions nd such,I spent 5 years in German schools and though I 'm no official trnsltor,and it hs been while, Id love to help. Bambi Saragrace Knauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg - Original Message - From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > > Here's some information: > > http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg - Original Message - From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > > Here's some information: > > http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Yes, it is. It's a company that specializes on drafting patterns, modern, of course, and they sell a magazine which includes a pattern drafting section. The magazines are two: "Damenrundschau" and "Herrenrundschau". They publish books that collect the articles in the magazines, sorted by topic, like "Dresses", "Coats", and "Historical patterns - for men" and "Historical patterns - for women". I think the men's historical patterns are better, they include more patterns. But I've just glanced through, I don't have them, but am going to order them. The point is that you need to know how to make the basic dress sloper. That's explained once in a few years in the magazines or, it's in a separate book called "Kleider und Blusen". But that one costs around 100 euros and there are many modern garments, variations of dresses and such. It is a very good drafting method that they use, the best and most detailed one I've tried. You've got to learn quite a lot of thinks at the beginning to understand it, but when you get into it it's quite ok. Unfortunately, they don't have any real webpage, so the only thing I could do for you is to scan what they offer and the ordering card (but I believe you can order by mail too). Here's some information: http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0&m1=2&m2=14&select=&search=rundschau&detail=67 I think Fran from Lavolta Press has it, so you can ask her for her opinion, I don't know how much was she able to use it as, I think, she didn't have any information on how to do the sloper. Zuzana P.S.: All the publications are in German but you can do without the text. The only thing you have to understand is the sloper and you can get someone translate it for you - that's for all others who read this, as I believe that Bjarne can speak German... Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown > If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical > costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the > top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three > possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I > haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and > usually lead to a good solution:-) > > It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting > magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting > instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th > century. > > > > Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the > Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so > much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the > pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get > Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? > > Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by > sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or > regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight > between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton > velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking > of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and > then do one in the grander fabrics. > > Amy Cooper > wrote: > > Have you given any thought to patterns yet? > > -Amy > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > - > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and usually lead to a good solution:-) It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. Beteena Paradise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
I haven't tried their patterns before. I was in a rush and ended up using a modified version of the bodice from Simplicity 7756 and the sleeves from8735. They work well enough, but the back neckline of the bodice is quite high and the sleeves require some adjustign and fitting as well. I've heard good thing about Kass' pattern. I think you should be fine on the skirt construction. As was mentioned before, the velvet will probably try to slip around, so lining it is a good idea. Personally, while I love the rich fabrics, I think the wool versions come out just as nice. Most of the ones I've seen online are done up in wool too. Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
I'll definitely have to look for that. Thanks for the info! Zuzana Kraemerova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and usually lead to a good solution:-) It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. Beteena Paradise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
I made something similar for a friend in broad cloth with limited fabric available. I cut my bands as needed, and I had an under layer skirt of cotton sheeting, that I sewed the bands to. With the layers the skirt has the weight that it needs to drape properly and even though it's in cotton, and meant as a test, it's still one of her favorites. On 10/6/07, Beteena Paradise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them > is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well > create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may > get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? > > Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by > sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). > That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask > and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work > better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version > in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander > fabrics. > > Amy Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Have you given any thought to patterns yet? > > -Amy > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Cranach gown
I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
