Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
I couldn't find the instructions/patterns. I'd love to have the pizza hat instructions and the starfish hat. So the slashed crown hat is the one called the starfish hat h.. I admit I wanted to take a photo of the crown flopped on my head as it was a bit like an octopus out of water in shape. and thought about the starfish connection. I actually thought it referred to a different hat... a softer slashed brim version of the barrett... But that's because I wasn't making the hats when I was reading the modern references to them;) I believe I'm the one who invented the pizza hat, at least in it's modern early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the instructions on my website. After Ren. Faire... You should, I know several people who use it (the origami crown right?) but never know where to point people;) I actually used the barrett in the Germanishes National Museum as my starter for mine which is essential three circles the same size one pleated into a hole cut for the head in the other two to make the crown and brim;) A few stabilising fetaures (wire and interfacing) of course are needed. I also will be filling out my page as I am doing a class on German headgear next weekend. I do have patterns and will include step by step instructions that I used. I need to make a new fitted cap for the wulst and a new later period wulst (where it seems to have slipped down at the back of the head. I also have rehersals for The Secret Garden here which are taking up a bit of time as well. But I should get the class up in a very short time. I need to get a class on cirles in German Garb up as well. Handy little devils they are. hats, schauben, skirts, bases. michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
I believe I'm the one who invented the pizza hat, at least in it's
modern
early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the
instructions
on my website. After Ren. Faire...
You should, I know several people who use it (the origami crown right?) but
never know where to point people;)
I actually used the barrett in the Germanishes National Museum as my starter
for mine which is essential three circles the same size one pleated into a
hole cut for the head in the other two to make the crown and brim;) A few
stabilising fetaures (wire and interfacing) of course are needed.
That one's later than 'mine'/Durer's. Yes, mine's the one with the
'origami' crown, and the slashed brim.
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Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
I couldn't find the instructions/patterns. I'd love to have the pizza hat
instructions and the starfish hat.
I believe I'm the one who invented the pizza hat, at least in it's modern
early-Durer configuration, in 1971. I really need to post the instructions
on my website. After Ren. Faire...
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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[h-cost] German Headdress
There is a German Renn group on Yahoo. They've discussed it there and you could check the files. I forget what the headdress is called. Once they tell you the specific name you should be able to find it. Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] German Headdress
Hi, Could it be that the hair is sat in this way as you see in an italian renaissance picture? http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/15thdiary/images/back.jpg And the hat/ headdress is stretched out over this hairshape? Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
I remember reading about that hat, specific to parts of the German states, a couple of years ago, and I can't remember the name of it either, nor do I have the name of the reference to hand. I was doing some rushed searching on German styles and saw the info. The reference said that the hat had a woven base to it made of reeds or straws. If you look at the first picture, you can see through the holes of the white fabric that there is actually something woven underneath it. I wish I could offer something more solid for reference than this memory. All I can remember is that I thought, of course, how else would they get that flowing shape if it wasn't woven? LynnD On 8/9/05, Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Hi, Could it be that the hair is sat in this way as you see in an italian renaissance picture? http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/15thdiary/images/back.jpg And the hat/ headdress is stretched out over this hairshape? Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk That's what I was thinking, some of the simpler and smaller versions of this headdress look that way, but the larger ones seem to have a bit more structure to them. I prefer the lower profile ones, but don't have enough hair to pull it off, perhaps a false braid would work? Or a 'donut' of fake hair? I just wonder how the scarf is pinned/tied in the back... Sheridan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Diaries/Steuchlein_Wulsthaube_first.htm - Irmgart ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:56:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] German Headdress I have always had a fasination for German Ren. clothing, but one detail keeps perplexing me: Would anyone have any idea of how they made these hats/headdress? http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/c/cranach/lucas_e/6/2cuspin.jpg http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1518/3meyer2.jpg http://www.museothyssen.org/images/obras/museo-thyssen-399-157-Grande.jpg http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_Of_Art/images/ep/images/ep12.115.L.jpg http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/s/strigel/bernhard/freyberg.jpg I have a couple of vague theories, but was wondering if anyone here had figured out something that works, no sense re-inventing the wheel. :-) Sheridan *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. Ogden Nash ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your taste in clothing and headgear. 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create appropriate headwear. --Sue Lalah wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your taste in clothing and headgear. 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create appropriate headwear. Thank you Sue for your very polite and succinct answer;) I happen to find mine very comfortable as well: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/hats.htm (I have a pattern and interior photos to share of each hat a few typos to clear... it's not quite ready to go public but what the heck;) ) I also do not think that plaits came into it, except maybe at the evry start of the evolution of the Wulsthaube (wulst referring to the crescent shaped piece.) This is especially when true of the enormous mushroom shaped headdresses seen in some paintings. The sheer weight of all that hair (which the majority of Northern European women cannot achieve anyway, just think about how thick and long it would be*) would cause massive strain on the body;) And with extant wulsts from an earlier time (not female) I think we can safely say there was a lot of fakery going on. In the early-mid 1400s there are illuminations showing the start of the side heavy plaited hairstyle which doesn't really change much by the start of the 1500s. I think these are mimicked in the gold hauben seen in several paintings. The shape tends to be bottom and side heavy rather than top heavy like the wulsthauben. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1520.htm http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/7/04prince.html See the girl on the left? That's the shape of plaits commonly seen. You can see how it influenced the shape of the haarhauben of the other two girls. Of course they may well have those plaits underneath as well, accounting for the shape. http://frazzledfrau.glittersweet.com/1510.htm http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=550 Those plaits again show the side heavyshape while wulsthauben fromt he same decade are very differently shaped: http://www.museothyssen.org/museovirtual/fichas/obraampliada.asp?codigo=772 This is the one I based my one on. Though I haven't yet found a nice fabric to make a veil to wear over it. regards, michaela http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 9/08/2005 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Ditto! Besides, a well fitted hat is always comfortable, otherwise there would be no point in wearing it. The trick is to make it that way. :-) Sheridan Lots of reasons. The three I come up with right away are: 1. Not everyone (now or in the 16th century) necessarily shares your taste in clothing and headgear. 2. Curiosity--figuring out how to engineer something so unusual, etc. 3. Authenticity. When I go to all the effort to make authentic historical clothing, I would certainly go the extra step and create appropriate headwear. --Sue Lalah wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Lalah wrote: Why on earth would anyone want to make one of those. They are most unbecoming and look very uncomfortable. I must disagree. I've seen them worn and they are no less flattering than many other hat styles. And hats that fit and sit well on the head are not uncomfortable. Besides that, if you're interested in making German costume from that period to a reasonable level of authenticity, you need an appropriate hat. -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] German Headdress
Ooo! Thanks, just the kind of thing I was looking for. :-) Sheridan http://www.curiousfrau.com/Diaries/Steuchlein_Wulsthaube_first.htm - Irmgart ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
