Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette
I saw the movie when it was released in France, and I did see the sneakers (though some of my friends miss them, too). I knew they were there, as it was discussed when the movie was screened in Cannes. It's not an error, though, they are meant to be seen (they are pretty obvious, I guess) : I suppose they act as a reminder that the movie isn't historically accurate, and as a way to draw a parallel between Marie-Antoinette's life and our modern times... After all, macaroons aren't period either, and the movie is stuffed with small anachronistic details. The movie was booed in Cannes, because it was greatly expected (Lost In Translation was a great success, and the shooting in Versailles had been covered by the medias) and failed to meet such high expectations. It is not a bad movie, but unfortunately, it isn't very good either... From a purely esthetic point of view, though, it is worth seeing. Mathilde Katy Bishop wrote: We saw the movie last night, I missed them but my husband did see some sneakers. I can see why the movie was booed at Cannes. Not a good movie, poor music choices, scenes dragged in many spots, it didn't have the fun of a Knight's tale. There seemed to be no point to it for the most part beyond the story of kids running the palace, very fluffy, some fun costumes though, if you're not going for strict accuracy. Katy On 11/2/06, Danielle M. Dewey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all... My name is Danielle and I am more of a lurker here on this list. My focus is more medieval than anything else but I just got home from Marie Antoinette and I was just wondering if anyone else noticed the converse sneakers in one of the shots of her shoes? Danielle On 10/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/23/2006 2:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How accurate is it in terms of history, not costuming? Speaking, rather than not, of the costumes Well, Adrian did them so as far as costumes go, they are spectacular, if not accurate. He apparently used as much real 18th century lace as he could get his hands on. If I remember rightly, Norma Shearer wears a number of real diamonds in her hair, and they had to build a replica of the ballroom at Versailles...only BIGGER to accommodate the huge panniers. That's right, biggerthan Versailles well, it is Hollywood. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·*¨). (¸.·´ (¸.·´ .·´ .·´ ¸.·*`·~»*~Danielle~*»~ (¸.·´ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette
I saw it Friday morning and even though I'm usually a stickler for historical accuracy, I could like it and appreciate it. As for the music, both modern and 18th century music is used throughout. I thought the modern music mostly works where it is placed. This film doesn't pretend to be historically accurate totally. I found it lots of fun, but to get it all, you should know your history going in. The costumes are far more accurate, than say, the 1938 version of Marie Antoinette or the 1922 silent Orphans of the Storm. Of course, everything is filtered through what is attractive now the year the film was made but the candy box colors for Versailles really works. Also we get to see a little of what MA's life was like at the Petit Trianon, which was Rousseau's vision of the rural pastoral, which I think, a film hasn't shown before. I just got Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution if you prefer pure history and the movie book of Marie Antoinette, which is the script and pics from the film, not the making of the film Marie Antoinette Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The 1938 film was on tv last night and I caught snippets of it in between sewing. It was quite romantic and lovely, as are those old Hollywood flicks from that era. How accurate is it in terms of history, not costuming? Sylrog On Oct 23, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: I saw it Friday morning and even though I'm usually a stickler for historical accuracy, I could like it and appreciate it. As for the music, both modern and 18th century music is used throughout. I thought the modern music mostly works where it is placed. This film doesn't pretend to be historically accurate totally. I found it lots of fun, but to get it all, you should know your history going in. The costumes are far more accurate, than say, the 1938 version of Marie Antoinette or the 1922 silent Orphans of the Storm. Of course, everything is filtered through what is attractive now the year the film was made but the candy box colors for Versailles really works. Also we get to see a little of what MA's life was like at the Petit Trianon, which was Rousseau's vision of the rural pastoral, which I think, a film hasn't shown before. I just got Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution if you prefer pure history and the movie book of Marie Antoinette, which is the script and pics from the film, not the making of the film Marie Antoinette Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I think this is a film made to catch big teenage girls, to romantise about the fashion, nothing else. Even the wigs/hairstyles has a little touch of todays sloppiness. Costumes looks nice in the pictures i have seen so far. It opens here in Denmark next month, ill go off cause, but i think i want to take some earlplugs with me, i hate that they put rock music into that time Much better to read about her, i cant but recomend Stefan Zweigs novel Marie Antoinette, he has catched the time, better than any after him And when i think of it, i think that Jefferson in Paris made a very nice portrait of her, even the actress looked like her, with her pronounced habsburg lips and her eagle nose, also her tubby figure, and many bad things have ben told about her, they are mostly true, but it was not her fault. For instance the finanse minister complainted to her about her extravagance, she told him she would love to cut down on her costume expenses, but he got very upset about that and told her she represented the french silk industry, and so on She was catched in an invetible cobweb who led to the revolution. Every time i see The night of Varennes (dont know if this is the english title) i keep on hoping that they will not be catched, i get so melancoly of that film. One thing i dont understand is why Count Fersen used such a big and heavy coach ( he knew they had to hurry) And why in heavens name didnt Marie Antoinettes brother, the emperor of Austria help her? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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It got a pretty bad review in our newspaper, and from the trailers shown on tv, it looked like it wouldnt be too greatSounds like the only reason to see it is for the costumes. Sylrog On Oct 21, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I think this is a film made to catch big teenage girls, to romantise about the fashion, nothing else. Even the wigs/hairstyles has a little touch of todays sloppiness. Costumes looks nice in the pictures i have seen so far. It opens here in Denmark next month, ill go off cause, but i think i want to take some earlplugs with me, i hate that they put rock music into that time Much better to read about her, i cant but recomend Stefan Zweigs novel Marie Antoinette, he has catched the time, better than any after him And when i think of it, i think that Jefferson in Paris made a very nice portrait of her, even the actress looked like her, with her pronounced habsburg lips and her eagle nose, also her tubby figure, and many bad things have ben told about her, they are mostly true, but it was not her fault. For instance the finanse minister complainted to her about her extravagance, she told him she would love to cut down on her costume expenses, but he got very upset about that and told her she represented the french silk industry, and so on She was catched in an invetible cobweb who led to the revolution. Every time i see The night of Varennes (dont know if this is the english title) i keep on hoping that they will not be catched, i get so melancoly of that film. One thing i dont understand is why Count Fersen used such a big and heavy coach ( he knew they had to hurry) And why in heavens name didnt Marie Antoinettes brother, the emperor of Austria help her? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I am. :) Chiara On Fri, October 20, 2006 1:33 pm, Dawn said: The movie opens today. Anyone planning to go see it? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Due to reviews that sight its utter devotion to the superficial [the New Yorker says that it doesn't try so much to make the Queen out to be like Paris Hilton, as the film looks like it was MADE BY Paris Hilton] I might just wait til the DVD. That will come soon enough. I usually don't like these films that feel it necessary to equate historical figures to modern equivalents...y'know like Mozart being a misunderstood rock star. They are baloney. Usually the real stories and personalities of the real people are more interesting and you learn nothing about Marie Antoinette or the French Court at the time by anachronisms. Marie Antoinette is as much a product of the 18th century and Paris Hilton is a product of the 21st century and comparisons seem superficial at best. But it could be entertaining, though the trailers don't make it seem so to me. The costumes look nice so I'll see it eventually for that. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I am seeing it Saturday night. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see it sooner. One scene features shoes designed by Manolo Blahnik! Costume designer Milena Canonero (who did Chariots of Fire and Barry Lyndon) used the 18th century as her inspirational template but then went way contempo. The music is also described, as we discussed when Bjarne showed us the trailer. _http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR20060524028 21.html_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402821.html) Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Wasnt it also Milena who did the affair of the necklace? I liked her costumes for this, very nice. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see it sooner. One scene features shoes designed by Manolo Blahnik! Costume designer Milena Canonero (who did Chariots of Fire and Barry Lyndon) used the 18th century as her inspirational template but then went way contempo. The music is also described, as we discussed when Bjarne showed us the trailer. _http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR20060524028 21.html_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402821.html) Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 5/25/2006 8:35:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wasnt it also Milena who did the affair of the necklace? I liked her costumes for this, very nice. ** Yes. Her stuff I find is usually very interesting. Sometimes it works better than at other times. I mean she's got Barry Lyndon, Clockwork Orange and Titus... definitely an interesting designer. But there's bound to be a miss somewhere. I love Sandy Powell's costumes too but you also get hits [Interview with the Vampire, Shakespeare in Love, Velvet Goldmine] and misses [Gangs of New York] with her. Both designers like to push the envelope, so to speak. That can be exciting...but dangerous. It's a shame, IMHO, that filmmakers think they have to make Mozart a rock star and Marie a Paris Hilton to make their stories relevant for modern audiences. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I would like to see the film, but living in Omaha, NE, I may have to wait for the video. It may be one of the films I watch just to see where accuracy in history and costuming goes out the window in favor of present-day esthetics. But sometimes those movies are fun, anyway. I did preorder the book about the making of the film from Amazon.com, but wonder now if it will even be published, stateside, if the movie promises to tank. I wonder if the movie will be tinkered with between what was seen at Cannes and what we may see in October. From the brief clips and the online preview it looks as though the costumes are fairly accurate, but amped up in glamour to look attractive to present-day eyes. And, of course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see it sooner. I didn't want to do a historical epic, Coppola said ... What she wanted was an impressionist portrait, a retelling based on Lady Antonia Fraser's best-selling revisionist biography... Well, at least they aren't pretending it's an accurate and true re-telling of the events, like some other films have done. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 5/25/2006 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, of course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! *** And, like with The Affair of the Necklace...the anorexic court of Louis XVI. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi, I believe i read somewhere that Marie Antoinette, replaced all her maids of honnour with young and pretty ladys same age as herself, and skipped the oldfashioned and ugly famillies from her court. Many of the old an honnourable famillies was shocked and angry about this, but she really did. Now i dont know if those young new ladies were anorexic, but you are right about it looked a little monotone in the movie. Marie Antoinette herself were not anorexic looking at all, she had a litttle chubby look herself. For those of you who really would like to read a book about her, i warmly recomend to read Stefan Zweigs book Marie Antoinette I dont think any have ever got that close to the past as he did with this. Bjarne who often wished he could have ben a fly in her dressing room. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In a message dated 5/25/2006 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, of course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! *** And, like with The Affair of the Necklace...the anorexic court of Louis XVI. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 23:18 25/05/2006, you wrote: Hi, I believe i read somewhere that Marie Antoinette, replaced all her maids of honnour with young and pretty ladys same age as herself, and skipped the oldfashioned and ugly famillies from her court. Many of the old an honnourable famillies was shocked and angry about this, but she really did. Now i dont know if those young new ladies were anorexic, but you are right about it looked a little monotone in the movie. Marie Antoinette herself were not anorexic looking at all, she had a litttle chubby look herself. For those of you who really would like to read a book about her, i warmly recomend to read Stefan Zweigs book Marie Antoinette I dont think any have ever got that close to the past as he did with this. Bjarne who often wished he could have ben a fly in her dressing room. There is a supposed bodice of hers in Corsets and Crinolines or Cut of Women's Clothes - too lazy to go and check. And if it really was hers, anorexic she wasn't - well developed is more a phrase I would have used, or Noel Coward's very telling She's a Big girl! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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In a message dated 5/25/2006 6:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...the anorexic court of Louis XVI. According to the article, at least not Louis himself. He is described as pudgy, and Jason Schwartzman gained 45 pounds for the role. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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It won't play on my home computer, but IIRC from listening to it at work, it's New Order. Karen Dawn wrote: Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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And she wasn't producing male heirs one after the other. Not her fault, but the French just couldn't understand a King that was faithful to his wife as Louis XVI. And a king that wasn't that interested in sex was something nearly impossible at the time, especially to the French, who were very used to Kings bedhopping--it was almost expected. Her husband wasn't disintered in sex-he was incapable of it. And once his problem had been fixed their first born apparently suffered from progeria, so maybe he shouldn't have had kids Carol Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I am in the middle of reading Lady Fraser's Marie Antoinette -The Journey published in 2001 ISBN 0-385-48948-X. Among other things she shoots out of the water that whole things about Louis having that surgery he supposedley had. It was propganda that had been circulated to suggest he wasn't much of a man. Marie's brother Joseph simply came along and gave him a man to man talk on the birds and the bees and the neccesity of a royal line. Louis was disinclined to sex odd for the grandson of the other Louis who was such a naughty boy. Bice On 8/19/05, Carol Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And she wasn't producing male heirs one after the other. Not her fault, but the French just couldn't understand a King that was faithful to his wife as Louis XVI. And a king that wasn't that interested in sex was something nearly impossible at the time, especially to the French, who were very used to Kings bedhopping--it was almost expected. Her husband wasn't disintered in sex-he was incapable of it. And once his problem had been fixed their first born apparently suffered from progeria, so maybe he shouldn't have had kids Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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We will probably never know for certain what was propaganda and what was fact in the whole Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette relationship. Anyway, a French King(or indeed very few European male rulers, period)wasn't faithful to poor Queen Consort as a rule. Marie Antoinette had a lot of strikes against her. She was foreign-born and meddled in French/Austrian politics enough apparently--and that was a no-no for any Queen Consort of any country--to earn unpopularity among the all the Estates(aristocracy, Church, and everyone else). The French, especially, were used to Queen Consorts that practically lived quietly apart from the court, didn't meddle in politics(at least not openly)and only made necessary public appearances, ideally with a lot of princes and a princess or two in tow. Consorts like Anne of Austria or Eleanor of Aquitaine were not the preferred model. She was pretty, outgoing, and for many years, childless. Naturally, not being constantly pregnant and kicking out an heir, preferably male, was the woman's fault. Keeping late hours, indulging in a lot of physical activity(if you were of the leisure class), primarily horseback riding, and keeping one's mind on fashion and frivolity was all considered non-condusive to child-bearing, if one were female. And she wasn't well-educated--the female mind in most persons view, wasn't equipped to handle the curriculum that didn't even exist for future Queen Consorts. It doesn't even exist today--witness the very public trials of the late Princess Diana within the British royal family. Being royal if one wasn't born into it, was always an uphill battle, learn as you go, with little or no help, and no guidebook. The first living child of Marie and Louis was a girl and she lived well into the 19th century. Pushed into an unhappy marriage by Louis XVIII, she survived as a history footnote. It will be interesting to find out how historically correctly costumed Sophia Coppola's movie on Marie Antoinette(set to release sometime in 2006) will be. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
