Re: [h-cost] Name of a hat?
Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Eleanor, the Countess of Leicester, sister of Henry III and definitely a Plantagenet, wears one on her seal. The seal also has the stylized planta genet (a sort of viney thing with a pod on the end), It's not a vine, it's the broom plant (genista in Latin), a shrub with yellow pea-like flowers. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Name of a hat?
Greetings-- Kate M Bunting wrote: Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: It's not a vine, it's the broom plant (genista in Latin), a shrub with yellow pea-like flowers. I knew it was a real plant...just couldn't remember which one and the corresponding Latin--thanks! Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] name of a hat?
What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] name of a hat?
barbette and fillet? In a message dated 03/01/2007 14:24:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 13 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] name of a hat? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
DunnoI've always heard them referred to in informal terms--coffee filter hat, pie-crust hat, etc., depending on the particular style. You might look at the hat section in Cynthia Virtue's website--I recall seeing hat-ish stuff there in the past. --Sue - Original Message - From: Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] name of a hat? What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
Having been up for 5 minutes, my brain isn't working yet, but you might google 'Cynthia Virtue website'--she has a bunch of info on them and other period hats, incl. how to make them. Arlys On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:47:34 -0800 (PST) Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Name of a Hat?
I got an answer from Cynthia herself on the Milliner's list: Heh. I think that one is my fault, at least partially. They really do look like coffee filters, don't they? Fillet is one term, toque is good if you subscribe to the closed-top version, and I don't know what the medievals reallly called them. I've heard some folks call them a Plantaganet cap but I don't know the provenance of that one. Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DunnoI've always heard them referred to in informal terms--coffee filter hat, pie-crust hat, etc., depending on the particular style. You might look at the hat section in Cynthia Virtue's website--I recall seeing hat-ish stuff there in the past. --Sue What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
Just went and checked and it is a barbette and fillet - the round bit with no crown being the barbette, and the fillet being the bit that goes under the chin (although have seen them without that in pics). don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though. debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Might it be a toque? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Oh Jeeze, eh? Thats the knit thing you wear on your head in Canada eh? (pass the back bacon...) ;0) Sheridan in 'Northern' Ontario... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/03 Wed AM 11:03:26 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] name of a hat? Might it be a toque? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] name of a hat?
I think the chin-strap is a barbette, the hat part is a fillet the net, a caul. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] name of a hat? What is the correct name of the medieval hat commonly referred to as the coffee filter hat? It looks like a sailor's hat without any crown and usually involves a chin strap and a hair net. I finished one over the holidays. Looks pretty good but I don't know what to call it so I can turn it in as an arts project GG Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] name of a hat?
debs wrote: don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though. Probably crespine. -Helen/Aidan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Wouldn't barbette be derived from the root meaning beard and therefore logically be the part that goes under the chin? --Ruth Anne On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just went and checked and it is a barbette and fillet - the round bit with no crown being the barbette, and the fillet being the bit that goes under the chin (although have seen them without that in pics). don't have any nfo on what the hair net part is called though. debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Name of a Hat?
Greetings-- Julie wrote: I got an answer from Cynthia herself on the Milliner's list: Heh. I think that one is my fault, at least partially. They really do look like coffee filters, don't they? Fillet is one term, toque is good if you subscribe to the closed-top version, and I don't know what the medievals reallly called them. I've heard some folks call them a Plantaganet cap but I don't know the provenance of that one. I might! Eleanor, the Countess of Leicester, sister of Henry III and definitely a Plantagenet, wears one on her seal. The seal also has the stylized planta genet (a sort of viney thing with a pod on the end), in this case bedecked with the arms of her husband, Simon de Montfort. (The back of the seal also notifies you that she's the sister of the King of England. I love it :-) Don't know if that's it, but it sure could be. Susan (member of Eleanor's fan club) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
