Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
As an update, we used the MM kirtle pattern, but trimmed the sides of the gore that were designed to flare out over a hoop. Amy is a size 6 adult, and the petit size is very tight on her. Looks good. Today we'll cut out the tabard from the PP #41. Cheers, Aylwen On Jan 28, 2008 8:30 AM, Aylwen Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, we're trying to make do with the patterns we've already got and the underdress was not included in this pattern. Cheers, Aylwen On Jan 28, 2008 4:33 AM, Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? Just curious, Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some of them at least, the underdress is faked. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? Just curious, Sg Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:54:31 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns CC: My daughter is making a tabard from this pattern. Do you think that the 1500-1630 round kirtle at http://www.mantua-maker.com/id10.html would work underneath? I have this pattern. Thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? Just curious, Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some of them at least, the underdress is faked. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Yes, we're trying to make do with the patterns we've already got and the underdress was not included in this pattern. Cheers, Aylwen On Jan 28, 2008 4:33 AM, Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2008, Saragrace Knauf wrote: Why wouldn't she use the other patterns from PP 41? Just curious, Possibly because the PP patterns don't really have one for a kirtle; in some of them at least, the underdress is faked. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
I stand corrected... a muslin is just what she says...I looked back to confirm.. Bambi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bambi TBNL wrote: she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric and _then_ figure out how big to make it. The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal alterations to our individual pattern pieces. Dawn That's also a different definition of a sloper than what I learned. A sloper is a fitted pattern that you can use to make/design your own patterns. It's 20th century as far as I know, relying on darts (which can be moved, changed to seams, yadda yadda). I don't think a sloper is useful for earlier historic clothing. If she says to make a muslin, that makes more sense and is in line with what most people do for historic or modern garments: once you choose a size for your measurements, you make it up out of muslin or some other cheap fabric to fine-tune the fit. You might just make the bodice and sleeves unless you also need to figure the bulk of a gathered or pleated skirt. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn Aylwen Garden wrote: Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort it out. Have you made this style? Thanks, Aylwen On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting A Gardiner-Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen It's not attached. It's two separage garments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Quoting Aylwen Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort it out. Have you made this style? nods. They're hateful like that. Several folks (and I'm *going* to do it) take the pattern pieces and just trace them off onto interfacing. I did iron my pattern pieces to fusable interfacing, but you've still got 3 or 4 different views on the same piece, and that's annoying. I haven't made V yet; I want to make one. I'm starting work on a I, but Im not using this pattern except for the sleeve. I went to a workshop and got a bodice pattern drafted for me to do it with. jerusha/ susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. I don't have a clue. If a 10 is really a 10, remember it's a 1986 10 not a current 10. My plan is to make a toile and then tweak it. susan/ jerusha - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn Aylwen Garden wrote: Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort it out. Have you made this style? Thanks, Aylwen On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting A Gardiner-Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen It's not attached. It's two separage garments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Quoting Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew .). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed (because she was the teacher and She Knew! There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Aylwen Garden wrote: I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen Thanks. I now have a general idea where to start from. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Hi Joan Can you remember if the patterns ran large or small? Thanks, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM, Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
And normally I would agree with you Susan but Joan is talking about physically measuring the pattern lines on the paper patterns, not reading and depending on what is on the back of the envelope. :) I used this pattern, #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns, quite a bit when I first joined and did the measuring of the lines then traced it out on separate paper, then re-measured myself and did additional alterations before cutting. And if I were a size 5 I would be using that pattern still. But I am not. :) Chiara Francesca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Quoting Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew .). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed (because she was the teacher and She Knew! There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
I am a friend of Corynne Weigle who designs these patterns. years ago I started making things from it..in fact i became my standard.A few things to remember when you fit this pattern..she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it..I believe she also mentions the difference between period fit and modernday fit. this pattern has no darts and does not require a corset however you do need to interline the bodice so that when you lace it up it will contain you properly ..I have also found that as a heavy chested person..I get a much better fit if I use only the back or side lacing models leaving the front structure in one piece for more support. Happy sewing..I have made this pattern in everything from linen for a summer festival...to heavy damask with enough pearls and couching on the sleeves to sink a battle ship and have loved every single one of them. Bambi Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn wrote: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Quoting Chiara Francesca [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And normally I would agree with you Susan but Joan is talking about physically measuring the pattern lines on the paper patterns, not reading and depending on what is on the back of the envelope. :) I know. But she (the teacher) measured the pattern pieces too to *prove* to me that I was wrong. Susan Based on personal experience, that doesn't always work. I learned to sew at 11 or 12. I took Home Ec as a Freshman in High School (back in the dim reaches of time when you could take Home Ec and learn to sew .). We sere supposed to make simple A-line dresses, but I got to make one with a waist because I'd been sewing. I told her I wore a 10. (I'd been making 10s for several years after all). She took my measurements, looked at the measurements on the envelope, measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. We discussed it, and she prevailed (because she was the teacher and She Knew! There was enough room in that dress for me and her and half my class. :-( susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
I'm afraid not. It's been far too long. Sorry I can't be any more helpful. Joan At 03:17 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: Hi Joan Can you remember if the patterns ran large or small? Thanks, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 9:35 AM, Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:20 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote: I've just found a sizing chart for this pattern online, but am still to test it out. http://www.bymichelle.com/renpatternsize.html Regards, Aylwen On Jan 7, 2008 8:00 AM, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who have used this pattern, how does the sizing run?(Large, small?) And for that matter, how do you figure out what size you are? I'm not seeing it in the instructions. I hesitate to assume what they say is a 10 will fit me. Dawn The best way to check for sizing is to actually measure the pattern pieces (seam line to seam line) and compare them to your own measurements. As I recall (from many years ago), Period Patterns was not very good with sizing. I gave up using them for Elizabethan gowns. Until Margo developed her line of patterns, I had to have mine drafted by friends. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Bambi TBNL wrote: .she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric and _then_ figure out how big to make it. The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal alterations to our individual pattern pieces. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on what patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. I have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable pattern for the under dress. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Aylwen Garden wrote: Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on what patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. I would suggest you look at Simplicity 3812 and 9531. Also McCall 5155. There's also a free online instruction set, at http://homepages.wmich.edu/~rowen/renbk/rendressbook.html I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. I have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable pattern for the under dress. Use the bodice from View I of the PP#41 set, but cut the neckline so it will lay underneath your outer bodice. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Bambi TBNL wrote: she DOES say in the instructions to cut a sloper and fit it.. This has always been a pet peeve of mine (nothing personal, Bambi). If I wanted to cut a sloper and fit it, I wouldn't have bought a pattern. Why put size markings on a pattern at all, if we're supposed to cut fabric and _then_ figure out how big to make it. The purpose of a pattern and of size markings is to give us a guideline of where to start, so we can cut with some reasonable expectation of what we're going to get. Then, from that we can make personal alterations to our individual pattern pieces. Dawn That's also a different definition of a sloper than what I learned. A sloper is a fitted pattern that you can use to make/design your own patterns. It's 20th century as far as I know, relying on darts (which can be moved, changed to seams, yadda yadda). I don't think a sloper is useful for earlier historic clothing. If she says to make a muslin, that makes more sense and is in line with what most people do for historic or modern garments: once you choose a size for your measurements, you make it up out of muslin or some other cheap fabric to fine-tune the fit. You might just make the bodice and sleeves unless you also need to figure the bulk of a gathered or pleated skirt. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
- Original Message - From: Aylwen Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns Are there any modern patterns that can be recommended for Italian Renaissance, with a few minor tweaks? I am organising an Italian Renaissance Ball, and am advising others on what patterns to use. Not all are prepared to order patterns from overseas. I have this old copy of #41 and will be making version VI and the tabard. I have located an online chemise pattern but am still to find a suitable pattern for the under dress. Many thanks, Aylwen Aylwen, I've used Simplicity 3812 http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=3812 back when it was #5294 to make my red satin dress (the one that is now Regency, you can see how it originally looked here http://www.gbacg.org/GreatPatternReview/Simplicity.htm) and my red linen Italian Ren dress which you've probably seen a couple of times. I wrote a webpage on this pattern http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/Ever_After/fixingEA.htm including how to remove the darts, let me know if that is at all confusing. McCalls 5444 http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M5444.htm?tab=costumespage=2 appears to be much the same, it lacks the disadvantage of the curve up between the breasts, but has extra darts to remove from the back, (it also doesn't have the V neckline of the Simplicity pattern, but as the Simplicity V neckline is also off the shoulder (which is not good for dancing) I think if you wanted the overdress it would be easier to just draw a straight line from centre front to shoulder instead of the more square neckline. HTH Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Quoting A Gardiner-Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen It's not attached. It's two separage garments. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
Thanks Susan. I was tired when I started tracing but now realise they put three different styles in one. Took a while for my brain to sort it out. Have you made this style? Thanks, Aylwen On 1/6/08, Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting A Gardiner-Garden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen It's not attached. It's two separage garments. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Period Patterns #41 Italian Renaissance Gowns
I am making version V, but do not have the instructions. I am tracing out the pieces and just got to the bodice. It has the nrmal bodice shape, and then the v-neck overlaid. Can someone explain this bit to me and how it is sewn/attached? I don't want to have to buy another pattern to get instructions. If I do I'm sure the instructions will turn up! Tempting... but too costly to experiment. Cheers and thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
