RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Thanks very much for the help! Best Regards- Dame catriona MacDuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue - Original Message - From: "Marie Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
We've discussed it over there, as well. Despite the (current) knitting nomenclature including the phrase "garter stitch," I don't recall anyone on the h-knit list coming up with examples of actual garters made from that stitch (or other knitting). At least, certainly not pre-17th century European. --Sue - Original Message - From: "Marie Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question > Dame Catriona... Hey there... > > I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of > inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that > doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in > about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the > historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. > Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll > certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. > Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. > Sincerely, > Mari / Bridgette ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Ynes! Hey there... That is an interesting idea. And it fits well with the stocking evidence that we do have both painted, extant and written. Hmmm... an elegant solution. Thank you. You've given me something to think about. :> Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, Ynes Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching > that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through > better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch > at the top of the stocking does do this very well. > > This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works > and not on historical evidence. > > - Ynes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Kate M Bunting wrote: Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor My theory on that is that garter stitch refers to a chunk of stitching that's above the garter and keeps the stocking from falling through better than a rolling edge does. And a small section of garter stitch at the top of the stocking does do this very well. This is only a theory and is based entirely on the fact that it works and not on historical evidence. - Ynes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
On 11/23/05, Kate M Bunting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters > must have been common at some period! Hey Kate - It is indeed possible. Most of my research is in the pre-1600 time frame, so that is the only area on which I can comment. I only said I hadn't seen any, not that they didn't exist. :> I would be very interested to learn when they were common. And please - if you know of anything, or find anything do share. I would very much like to learn more. Thanks, Mari / Bridgette ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Since working all knit stitches is known as garter stitch, knitted garters must have been common at some period! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/11/2005 11:56 >>> Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Dame Catriona... Hey there... I don't know of any knitted garters. I've looked at lots of inventories and wills and not seen them mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean that they don't exist, just that I haven't seen any in about 7 years of historic knit research. Have you tried over on the historic knit list? Those folks are a font of information. Good luck in your search. I'll keep an eye out and if I see any I'll certainly post to HKnit, and try to remember to post here as well. Please, if you find anything do share, I'd love to see an example of these. Sincerely, Mari / Bridgette On 11/23/05, monica spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but > English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , > please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise > on another list... > > Thanks, > Dame Catriona MacDuff > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise on another list... Thanks, Dame Catriona MacDuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:13 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: >I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if >any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard >verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are >coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. > >(I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, >but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
At 10:18 23/11/2005, you wrote: Is there anything out there about knitted garters? Italian preferably, but English , French or German will do. If there is a reference out there , please let me know. There is a discussion on garters, knitted and otherwise on another list... Thanks, Dame Catriona MacDuff There is a garter, (don't remember the date) but I think it is made of wool fabric. It appears to be tied and to have a fringe made from the slashed edge of the fabric. I feel that it is actually displayed upside down, and would have been worn with the fringe hanging down, not sticking up, but that is a personal opinion. It would be difficult, though not impossible, to display it the other way up. But what do I know - I'm only the practical one who makes these things!! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
There are a number of very clear references to knitted items in the Henry VIII inventories, many of them are much earlier than you think. There are plenty of references in other sources as well. Including one I have found which has King Henry ordering twelve pairs of "knytt hosen" for his sister-in-law sister the Princess of Castile, in May of 1510. Cheers, Danielle At 09:23 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. (I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, but... :-) -Liz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
At 03:23 23/11/2005, you wrote: I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. (I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, but... :-) As far as I remember, the stocking foot is Italian mid 1500's, and the child's knitted vest and mitten, not a set as I remember, are 1300's. (Dated from the context of the dig.) However, I will be making proper notes next week and will pass them on. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Mus. of London... knit question
I would *love* to know what the dates and assumed origins are (if any) for the knit garments. So far, the earliest I've heard verified made in England (other than "Monmouth caps" which are coarse-knit then felted/fulled) has been in the 1550s. (I'm guessing that they're the youngest of the items in the display, but... :-) -Liz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
