Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
I think you are pretty much on track with a tubular pouch but probably a tie flap and not a drawstring. This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that noticeable. --Kathy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that noticeable. My first thought was of some of the scabbards in the Museum of London book, _Knives and scabbards_. They are (if memory serves) hardened leather tube-ish cases. It wouldn't be too hard to make a leather case hardened (over appropriately-sized PVC, perhaps) in boiling water or hot wax. Ask the armourers in your vicinity. The result might not be what was done in period, but would at least use period techniques and materials and produce a result that looks right. Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re:[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
Kathy wrote: This is completely NON period, but I would take a piece of pvc and put it in the pouch. This way, even if he sits on it, it would be protected. Completely covered inside and out, it wouldn't even be that noticeable. Emma added: My first thought was of some of the scabbards in the Museum of London book, _Knives and scabbards_. They are (if memory serves) hardened leather tube-ish cases. It wouldn't be too hard to make a leather case hardened (over appropriately-sized PVC, perhaps) in boiling water or hot wax. Ask the armourers in your vicinity. The result might not be what was done in period, but would at least use period techniques and materials and produce a result that looks right. Both of these are good thoughts. The idea of leather rather than fabric struck me after I wrote my note, but I'm not in contact with local re-enactors and I don't do much leatherwork, though I might be able to sew some heavy pieces together. Maybe a combination, with leather on the outside, PVC for stiffness, and I could get away without hardening it that way. Bonus: My son could help with putting the leather together. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
Both of these are good thoughts. The idea of leather rather than fabric struck me after I wrote my note, but I'm not in contact with local re-enactors and I don't do much leatherwork, though I might be able to sew some heavy pieces together. Maybe a combination, with leather on the outside, PVC for stiffness, and I could get away without hardening it that way. Bonus: My son could help with putting the leather together. --Robin My hint for working with the leather if you plan on sewing by hand is to run it through the sewing machine first without thread and using the heavy duty needle, ideally a leather needle. It is a lot less demanding on your hands to be able to stitch through leather that is already pre-punched, and the holes will be perfectly even so your stitching will look even better. That and use the smallest needle you can deal with and have a small pair of needlenose pliers on hand. Sometimes pulling the needle through the leather is contingent on being about to grasp the needle and the pliers help a lot. It's either that or use a bit of spray adhesive on the pvc and just wrap the leather around, holes drilled through the top to allow the lacing through, could go really quick. The bottom could be capped with a circle that is gathered up over the end, the inside glued and the outside wrapped with a leather strip. depends on the look that you're going for. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, I'm all ears. I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
Mmm I don't think back quivers are medieval. Altough I love them. Greetings, Deredere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, I'm all ears. I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
Oh, dear, so much for Robin Hood (and his band of merry men!)! --Ruth Anne -Original Message- From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 5, 2006 11:42 AM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? Mmm I don't think back quivers are medieval. Altough I love them. Greetings, Deredere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read all the interesting suggestions posted so far. What occurs to me, particularly because you want him to be able to wear it on his back, is a modified quiver. You could even play the jest all the way and put a few dummy arrows in there along with the recorder--maybe make a rigid tie-down lid for the quiver and mount a clutch of feathered arrow-tops on that? Sorry--I've been reading an awful lot (an awful LOT or an AWFUL lot? I think I mean it both ways...) of freshman essays and am taking refuge in whimsy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -Original Message- From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 5, 2006 2:56 AM To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases? My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, I'm all ears. I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
My 10-year-old son, who is far more musically inclined than I am, just had his first experience at a medieval costumed event, where he went for the sole purpose of finding the opportunity to play early music with other like-minded souls. He intends to do more of this. He has a suitable costume (c. 1300 in style, roughly Luttrell Psalter working-class). However, he could use a way to carry his recorder safely and conveniently. Ideally, it should be something that hangs from his body, as he has the habit of putting things down and forgetting them. I have never had the need to research period instrument cases, and I don't really want to start now. But given the number of minstrel-types doing re-enactment, I'm betting someone else has already devoted energy to this subject. Can anyone point me to a webpage or other source for guidance? If I don't find any hard documentation, I figure I'll take some quilted fabric and make a recorder-sized tube, and then cover that with some wool -- or else just use batting between two layers to create a padded tube. The end could close with a foldover that can be fastened (latchet or button), or maybe with a drawstring. It would also need a strap that would let him carry it on his back. (He does wear a belt, but he's small for his age, and even a soprano recorder would end up knocking around his knees if he hung it from a belt.) If anyone has advice to improve on that scheme, I'm all ears. I have ruled out stuffing it down his hood liripipe primarily because he'd probably end up sitting on it. But believe me, I was tempted. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Research on medieval instrument cases?
Robin, I'm sending this to the Calonlist as I know there are musicians there but I think you are pretty much on track with a tubular pouch but probably a tie flap and not a drawstring. Basically, make the tube about 2 1/2-3 longer so that it folds below the mouth/opening and you can have a 1 1/2 flap that ties to the body of the tube. Having the fold below the mouth of the tub closes it and with wool or water proofing stuff protects it from most elements. lucet cords, braided, that goes over the shoulder and under the arm should work. Though I don't have proof of the practice, you or when he is old and wants to learn, could embroider a design on the case. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
