Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
At 02:33 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a woman with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this one too -- I have a vague impression that she was walking or going about other work, with a very small distaff stuck into a hat or turban or wrapped veil. Does this ring any bells for anyone? We don't need a reproducible image, just a citation, to the original manuscript or a secondary source. Please feel free to forward this request elsewhere, if you know of someone who might have the answer offhand. Thanks, Robin There's a drawing of a Norse woman with spinning material attached to her head with a band; she is basically using her head as the top of the distaff. The drawing can be seen as Figure 16 (page 47) in Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Ostergard, Aarhus University Press 2004 [ISBN 87 7288 935 7]. The caption states that the drawing is from 1555. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
Joan Jurancich wrote: At 02:33 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a woman with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this one too -- I have a vague impression that she was walking or going about other work, with a very small distaff stuck into a hat or turban or wrapped veil. Does this ring any bells for anyone? There's a drawing of a Norse woman with spinning material attached to her head with a band; she is basically using her head as the top of the distaff. The drawing can be seen as Figure 16 (page 47) in Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Ostergard, Aarhus University Press 2004 [ISBN 87 7288 935 7]. The caption states that the drawing is from 1555. That's ... interesting. Not the one I was thinking of, and there's no actual distaff involved here, but it might work. Thanks. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
Note that that wood cut is actually out of Olaus Magnus' A Description of the Northern Peoples. I'll pull the full citation with page whenI get home. (I have a facimilie of the original printing.) Anne Decker Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:20:58 -0500 From: ro...@netherton.net To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat Joan Jurancich wrote: At 02:33 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote: A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a woman with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this one too -- I have a vague impression that she was walking or going about other work, with a very small distaff stuck into a hat or turban or wrapped veil. Does this ring any bells for anyone? There's a drawing of a Norse woman with spinning material attached to her head with a band; she is basically using her head as the top of the distaff. The drawing can be seen as Figure 16 (page 47) in Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Ostergard, Aarhus University Press 2004 [ISBN 87 7288 935 7]. The caption states that the drawing is from 1555. That's ... interesting. Not the one I was thinking of, and there's no actual distaff involved here, but it might work. Thanks. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
The woodcut of the woman spinning with the material to be spun up on her head under a band is found in Olaus Magnus' Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus as the Illustration for Liber Secvundvs, Cap. XVII. De luminibus, tedis piceis, which is page 77 in the original version printed in 1555 in Rome. (In English as per the translation by Peter Fisher and Humphrey Higgens published in three volumes by The Hakluyt Society, London first volume publish in 1996 as Olaus Magnus - A Description of the Northern Peoples - 1555: Book Two, Chapter Seventeen, On lights, and torches of tar. Page 112 of Volume 1) The woodcut in my facimilie printed in 1972 by Roosenkilde and Bagger, Copenhagen, of the 1555 printing is approximately 2 inches high by 4 inches wide with ornamentals out the left and right sides. Hope this helps, Anne Decker ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
Thanks, Anne! It seems, though, that the author I'm working with does need a different image -- he's talking specifically about distaffs and the ways they may be carried, and in this case the woman herself is actually her own distaff, with no physical distaff in sight. I feel certain I've seen the image he remembers of the small-distaff-in-the-large-hat, but perhaps I'm mentally conflating some of the pictures in Tacuinum Sanitatus, which has lots of women carrying distaffs and lots of women carrying things on their heads, but (as far as I can tell) no distaffs on the heads. The Scandinavian image is curious, though, particularly as she also is holding a torch in her mouth. That doesn't strike me as a really smart thing to do while you have a pile of loose flax on your head. The caption in Ostergard says that an archibishop had this image made; I wonder if it was his idea of industriousness, but not anything that people actually did. (More than once.) Way off track now, though. --Robin Sigrid Briansdotter wrote: The woodcut of the woman spinning with the material to be spun up on her head under a band is found in Olaus Magnus' Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus as the Illustration for Liber Secvundvs, Cap. XVII. De luminibus, tedis piceis, which is page 77 in the original version printed in 1555 in Rome. (In English as per the translation by Peter Fisher and Humphrey Higgens published in three volumes by The Hakluyt Society, London first volume publish in 1996 as Olaus Magnus - A Description of the Northern Peoples - 1555: Book Two, Chapter Seventeen, On lights, and torches of tar. Page 112 of Volume 1) The woodcut in my facimilie printed in 1972 by Roosenkilde and Bagger, Copenhagen, of the 1555 printing is approximately 2 inches high by 4 inches wide with ornamentals out the left and right sides. Hope this helps, Anne Decker ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
Robin Did you check out the Brueghel paintings? I seem to recall something like you originally described as occurring in a crowd scene and for some reason, I seem to remember it as being one of the Brueghel paintings. Could be very wrong on that, but that is my memory. Ginni Morgan Robin Netherton ro...@netherton.net 6/12/09 5:15 PM Thanks, Anne! It seems, though, that the author I'm working with does need a different image -- he's talking specifically about distaffs and the ways they may be carried, and in this case the woman herself is actually her own distaff, with no physical distaff in sight. I feel certain I've seen the image he remembers of the small-distaff-in-the-large-hat, but perhaps I'm mentally conflating some of the pictures in Tacuinum Sanitatus, which has lots of women carrying distaffs and lots of women carrying things on their heads, but (as far as I can tell) no distaffs on the heads. The Scandinavian image is curious, though, particularly as she also is holding a torch in her mouth. That doesn't strike me as a really smart thing to do while you have a pile of loose flax on your head. The caption in Ostergard says that an archibishop had this image made; I wonder if it was his idea of industriousness, but not anything that people actually did. (More than once.) Way off track now, though. --Robin Sigrid Briansdotter wrote: The woodcut of the woman spinning with the material to be spun up on her head under a band is found in Olaus Magnus' Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus as the Illustration for Liber Secvundvs, Cap. XVII. De luminibus, tedis piceis, which is page 77 in the original version printed in 1555 in Rome. (In English as per the translation by Peter Fisher and Humphrey Higgens published in three volumes by The Hakluyt Society, London first volume publish in 1996 as Olaus Magnus - A Description of the Northern Peoples - 1555: Book Two, Chapter Seventeen, On lights, and torches of tar. Page 112 of Volume 1) The woodcut in my facimilie printed in 1972 by Roosenkilde and Bagger, Copenhagen, of the 1555 printing is approximately 2 inches high by 4 inches wide with ornamentals out the left and right sides. Hope this helps, Anne Decker ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
Ginni Morgan wrote: Robin Did you check out the Brueghel paintings? I seem to recall something like you originally described as occurring in a crowd scene and for some reason, I seem to remember it as being one of the Brueghel paintings. Could be very wrong on that, but that is my memory. No, but I'll pass that on to my colleague to see if that rings a bell. Thanks! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Seeking an image -- distaff on a hat
A colleague needs quickly to locate an image he remembers seeing of a woman with a distaff stuck in her headdress. I'm sure I've seen this one too -- I have a vague impression that she was walking or going about other work, with a very small distaff stuck into a hat or turban or wrapped veil. Does this ring any bells for anyone? We don't need a reproducible image, just a citation, to the original manuscript or a secondary source. Please feel free to forward this request elsewhere, if you know of someone who might have the answer offhand. Thanks, Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
