Re: [h-cost] St Germain's Hose

2010-09-26 Thread Althea Turner
It would have been very helpful if these ancient cultures had  
produced a Sears and Roebucks catalog so that it would make it easier  
to identify what they wore. :D


I'll get the articles thru ILL. I am mostly interested in Merovingian  
clothing, so the Gallo-Roman garments are a start. I'm leaning toward  
a cut and sewn sock, of a 2x2 twill linen, that extends to just above  
the knee and is cross-gartered into place.


Thank you!


Althea Rizzo
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"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal  
opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R.  
Murrow





On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:42 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote:



On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Althea Turner wrote:

Does anyone know which museum the garment known as St Germain's  
hose is in?

Is there a better picture than the one in Kohler?



The items is pictured and described in:

Schmedding, Brigitta. 1978.  Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen  
und Klostern der Schweiz. Abegg Stiftung, Bern.


which indicates that (at that date) it was held at the Jurassien  
Museum, Delemont, Switzerland.


There's also a photo of it in Boucher's "20,000 Years of Fashion".   
Note that the authors I've seen discussing this item agree that the  
association with St. Germain (and thus the supposed 7th century  
date) is certainly false.  Schmedding is of the opinion that a 12th  
c. date is more likely.



Any other images of extant hose, from 4-8th century?


You don't mention whether you're looking for a specific geographic  
area.  There are a few Egyptian nalebinding socks from that general  
era (Burnham, Dorothy.  1972.  Coptic Knitting: An Ancient  
Technique.   Textile History 3 (Dec. 1972), 116-124.) but they're  
of a style that seems unlikely to have been popular in Europe.


A little earlier than your date-range, there's a pair of woolen cut- 
and-sewn socks from 1st-2nd c. France  (currently at Musée Bargoin,  
Clermont-Ferrand, France).  They're published in a number of  
places, although none that are particularly easy to access.   
Probably the most likely to be available is:


Desrosiers, Sophie & Alexandra Lorquin.  1998.  "Gallo-Roman Period  
Archaeological Textiles found in France" in Textiles in European  
Archaeology (NESAT Symposium 6) ed. Lise Bender Jørgensen &  
Christina Rinaldo.  Göteborg.


After that, the earliest sock/hose-like items I've been able to  
identify in Europe are include the ca. 10-11th c. nalebinding sock  
from York (Walton, Penelope.  1990.  "Textile production at  
Coppergate, York: Anglo-Saxon or Viking?" in Textiles in Northern  
Archaeology (NESAT Symposium 3) ed. Penelope Walton and John-Peter  
Wild.  London.)  and the early 11th c. full-length silk hose  
associated with the Holy Roman Emperor Henry III (Schramm, Percy  
Ernst & Florentine Mutherich.  1962.  Denkmale der deutschen Konige  
und Kaiser.  Prestel Verlag, München.).


My database indicates that the ca. 7th c. finds at Bernuthsfeld  
(Germany) included a set of leg wraps, but I'd have to look at the  
original publication to see if I meant the sort of unshaped "cloth  
wrapped around a foot inside a shoe, serving as a sock" or the sort  
of narrow strip used as a wrapping for the lower leg.  I suspect  
the latter.  The citations is from: Schlabow, Karl.  1976.   
Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland.  Karl Wachholtz  
Verlag, Neumünster.


The following publication also includes something I cataloged as  
"leg wraps" (I can see I need to clarify this in my database  
coding):  Banck, Johanna.  1998.  "Ein merowingerzeitlicher  
Baumsarg aus Lauchheim/Ostalbkreis -- Zur Bergung und Dokumentation  
der Textilfunde" in Textiles in European Archaeology (NESAT  
Symposium 6) ed. Lise Bender Jørgensen & Christina Rinaldo.  Göteborg.


This list isn't likely to be at all complete, but it's what I  
currently have entered into my surviving garments database.  Which  
this seems a good opportunity to plug:


http://www.heatherrosejones.com/survivinggarments/index.html

Heather Jones
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Re: [h-cost] St Germain's Hose

2010-09-25 Thread Heather Rose Jones

On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Althea Turner wrote:

> Does anyone know which museum the garment known as St Germain's hose is in?
> Is there a better picture than the one in Kohler?
> 

The items is pictured and described in:

Schmedding, Brigitta. 1978.  Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Klostern 
der Schweiz. Abegg Stiftung, Bern.

which indicates that (at that date) it was held at the Jurassien Museum, 
Delemont, Switzerland.

There's also a photo of it in Boucher's "20,000 Years of Fashion".  Note that 
the authors I've seen discussing this item agree that the association with St. 
Germain (and thus the supposed 7th century date) is certainly false.  
Schmedding is of the opinion that a 12th c. date is more likely.

> Any other images of extant hose, from 4-8th century?

You don't mention whether you're looking for a specific geographic area.  There 
are a few Egyptian nalebinding socks from that general era (Burnham, Dorothy.  
1972.  Coptic Knitting: An Ancient Technique.   Textile History 3 (Dec. 1972), 
116-124.) but they're of a style that seems unlikely to have been popular in 
Europe.

A little earlier than your date-range, there's a pair of woolen cut-and-sewn 
socks from 1st-2nd c. France  (currently at Musée Bargoin, Clermont-Ferrand, 
France).  They're published in a number of places, although none that are 
particularly easy to access.  Probably the most likely to be available is: 

Desrosiers, Sophie & Alexandra Lorquin.  1998.  "Gallo-Roman Period 
Archaeological Textiles found in France" in Textiles in European Archaeology 
(NESAT Symposium 6) ed. Lise Bender Jørgensen & Christina Rinaldo.  Göteborg.

After that, the earliest sock/hose-like items I've been able to identify in 
Europe are include the ca. 10-11th c. nalebinding sock from York (Walton, 
Penelope.  1990.  "Textile production at Coppergate, York: Anglo-Saxon or 
Viking?" in Textiles in Northern Archaeology (NESAT Symposium 3) ed. Penelope 
Walton and John-Peter Wild.  London.)  and the early 11th c. full-length silk 
hose associated with the Holy Roman Emperor Henry III (Schramm, Percy Ernst & 
Florentine Mutherich.  1962.  Denkmale der deutschen Konige und Kaiser.  
Prestel Verlag, München.).

My database indicates that the ca. 7th c. finds at Bernuthsfeld (Germany) 
included a set of leg wraps, but I'd have to look at the original publication 
to see if I meant the sort of unshaped "cloth wrapped around a foot inside a 
shoe, serving as a sock" or the sort of narrow strip used as a wrapping for the 
lower leg.  I suspect the latter.  The citations is from: Schlabow, Karl.  
1976.  Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland.  Karl Wachholtz Verlag, 
Neumünster.

The following publication also includes something I cataloged as "leg wraps" (I 
can see I need to clarify this in my database coding):  Banck, Johanna.  1998.  
"Ein merowingerzeitlicher Baumsarg aus Lauchheim/Ostalbkreis -- Zur Bergung und 
Dokumentation der Textilfunde" in Textiles in European Archaeology (NESAT 
Symposium 6) ed. Lise Bender Jørgensen & Christina Rinaldo.  Göteborg.

This list isn't likely to be at all complete, but it's what I currently have 
entered into my surviving garments database.  Which this seems a good 
opportunity to plug:

http://www.heatherrosejones.com/survivinggarments/index.html

Heather Jones
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[h-cost] St Germain's Hose

2010-09-25 Thread Althea Turner
Does anyone know which museum the garment known as St Germain's hose  
is in?

Is there a better picture than the one in Kohler?

Any other images of extant hose, from 4-8th century?

thanks!


Althea Rizzo
alt...@alfalfapress.com

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal  
opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R.  
Murrow





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