Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-05 Thread Melanie Schuessler

On May 4, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Bella wrote:

 I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like  
 an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked  
 handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist.

Yes, it's a muckinder.

Melanie Schuessler

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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-05 Thread Suzi Clarke
At 03:17 05/05/2008, you wrote:
On Sunday 04 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg
 
  What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist
  decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart?
Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?


I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half
of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the
second half of her skirt.


I see the muckinder, but surely the trim is still not right if the 
top and bottom are meant to match? On the right side facing us, there 
are two rows of trim missing, if it's meant to match, in my opinion? 
I love the whole outfit though - sooo grownup!

Suzi

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[h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread 00217146
http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg

What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist  
decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart?  
  Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?

Emma

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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread Margo Anderson
I find it hard to believe that they would have applied trim like  
that.  My best guess is that the skirt is too big for the child and  
the front openings were folded back on themselves, but why they would  
do that for a formal portrait is beyond me.  Who knows, there's  
probably some terribly important symbology in it.

It also looks like the child is wearing a linen smock with a band of  
blackwork embroidery, no forepart or petticoats, which I haven't seen  
before.

Margo


On May 4, 2008, at 6:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg

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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread Susan Farmer
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg

 What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist
 decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart?
   Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?


Somewhere, I seem to remember a discussion about this painting, and  
one of the suggestions/comments was that that wasn't *trim* but it was  
like chains/strings hanging from the waist.

susan
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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread Bella
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Subject: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg

What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist  
decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart?  
  Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?





I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like an opening in 
the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked handkercheif/small towel pinned to 
the waist. 

 
Bella
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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Sunday 04 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.elizabethan-portraits.com/KatherineGrey.jpg

 What in the world is going on with that child's skirt? Did the artist
 decide after the fact that the skirt should be split, with a forepart?
   Would trim really have been applied diagonally and interrupted?


I don't think there is any difference with the trim at all; I think that half 
of her skirt is partly obscured by a black blanket that covers most of the 
second half of her skirt.



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Re: [h-cost] What in the world? Odd 16th C. child's skirt

2008-05-04 Thread Margo Anderson

On May 4, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Bella wrote:

 I think it's an optical illusion. What at first looked to me like  
 an opening in the skirt, I now believe to be a blackworked  
 handkercheif/small towel pinned to the waist.

D'oh!  I see it now. :)

Margo
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