Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
I looked at the images and don't know what tippets are. Please explain. I googled it and found sites with shawls and scarves. What in the image is a tippet? - Original Message - From: Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) Hey Robin! From the SCA garb list ... Can I forward this to the H-Costume list where Robin Netherton hangs out? She's way interested in tippets. Jerusha Sure. Please tell her it was pointed out by John Dillion on the Medieval Religion List. I'm sure she'll recognise his name. Hrothny A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of Sienna. http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 === It's Italian, but dig those tippets! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
Thanks. The search results I got didn't fit into the images. I saw the sleeve drapes and didn't know what they were called. I've been learning quite a bit from the discussion boards and costume constructions. - Original Message - From: Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco) Quoting Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I looked at the images and don't know what tippets are. Please explain. I googled it and found sites with shawls and scarves. What in the image is a tippet? See those streamers coming from her upper arm? Those are tippets. If you do a google *image* search [put tippets in your search box, get your results, and then click on the image link above the search box] you'll get a page that shows some other gowns with tippets -- including this paperdoll site http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/gawain/gawain.html and this Ready-To-Wear-Garb site http://www.revivalclothing.com/catpages/cat_womenssilkwardrobe.htm her tippets are white, and look like an add-on, but Robin's research indicates that this probably isn't the case. Susan http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 === It's Italian, but dig those tippets! - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. Actually there is a wheel, at her feet (between her and the Madonna) it's that brown object with the spikes;) I think it's depicting the wheel edge on. So It's CoA. Anyway, if it's a deliberate archaism, the costume is modeled after earlier artworks (and probably significantly changed in details). However, I wouldn't be surprised if this is 14th c., and St. Catherine of Alexandria, re-attributed to Catherine of Siena. Which means it's just saint's costume and Italian, and could be anywhere on the continuum of real -- fanciful! Yup:) The faces remind me a lot of the other 14thC Italian art, but it could also have been altered at some stage? Anyone have any idea what the blue-black zigzag shapes on her sleeve are (the one furthest from us and held up for the ring)? It's a very cool image and fits in with what I have seen of the 14thC Italian stuff. By that I mean: it's weird and all kinds of pretty;) michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 16/02/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, michaela wrote: http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. Actually there is a wheel, at her feet (between her and the Madonna) it's that brown object with the spikes;) I think it's depicting the wheel edge on. Oh by golly, that is a wheel. I think my brain said pillow with fringe or something and then I stopped looking at it, before I started thinking where's the wheel? Now, if it had been ROUND... Yup:) The faces remind me a lot of the other 14thC Italian art, but it could also have been altered at some stage? Anyone have any idea what the blue-black zigzag shapes on her sleeve are (the one furthest from us and held up for the ring)? The underlayer beneath decaying paint? Seriously, I have no clue. It's a very cool image and fits in with what I have seen of the 14thC Italian stuff. By that I mean: it's weird and all kinds of pretty;) That's a really good way of putting it! --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
Hey Robin! From the SCA garb list ... Can I forward this to the H-Costume list where Robin Netherton hangs out? She's way interested in tippets. Jerusha Sure. Please tell her it was pointed out by John Dillion on the Medieval Religion List. I'm sure she'll recognise his name. Hrothny A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of Sienna. http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 === It's Italian, but dig those tippets! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tippets ... Fwd: [SCA-Garb] Nice gown! (Italian fresco)
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Susan Farmer wrote: Hey Robin! Thanks for thinking of me! A fresco on the wall of the hexagonal baptistery of San Giovanni Battista (said to be originally ninth-cent., with fifteenth- and sixteenth-century frescoes) showing the marriage of St. Catherine of Sienna. http://www.microlanitalia.com/exe/turismoimg.htm?t=4k1=6k2=1 === It's Italian, but dig those tippets! I'm still reeling from the off-the-shoulder neckline ... The tippets are definitely fun. The Italians did some really bizarre things in art at this time. Note that if this is really Catherine of Siena, the costume is deliberately archaic; Catherine of Siena died in 1380 and was not canonized till 1461. Howver, the Mystic Marriage scene shows up in art at least as early as 1340, in depictions of St. Catherine of Alexandria, well-established as a bride of Christ. I've heard that this attribution of the Mystic Marriage scene was a confusion with Catherine of Siena, but the earlier dates of the art seem to contradict that statement. In fact, every piece of art I know with the Mystic Marriage scene is presumed to show Catherine of Alexandria. So I don't know why some references insist that it's supposed to be Catherine of Siena. The lady here has a crown, which is one of CofA's attributes, but there's no sword or wheel, so it remains uncertain. However, it looks a lot more like CofA than CofS. CofS is typically shown with a lily, sometimes a heart and/or a book, and/or a crown of thorns, none of which are here. More important, CofS is usually shown in Dominican habit, and CofA in fashionable royal dress, and this is a lot closer to the latter. Anyway, if it's a deliberate archaism, the costume is modeled after earlier artworks (and probably significantly changed in details). However, I wouldn't be surprised if this is 14th c., and St. Catherine of Alexandria, re-attributed to Catherine of Siena. Which means it's just saint's costume and Italian, and could be anywhere on the continuum of real -- fanciful! I notice the stripes on the red tippets, which could be meant to indicate fur piecing... or could just be stripes, which I've never seen on tippets, but hey, it's Italian. The little bit of flip side we see on the left tippet shows an intriguing combination of white and red, which might mean that these are not separate-material band-and-streamer tippets, but sleeve extensions (pendant sleeves) from the white dress, with a red-striped or fur lining. The wide over-the-hand cuffs are quite intriguing, and might be a clue that we're dealing with a late-15th or 16th c. version of archaic dress, with mix-and-match features. But I would have to see other local images of dress to know whether this is a regionalism. I know very very little about Italian variants. They make my head ache. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
