Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
After all our discussion here, 8-), one does wonder where this came from-- I mean, who proposed it to McCall's, and who at McCall's thought it would sell (and TO WHOM!)? I also notice it's on sale for half the discounted price (about 25% of the retail price)... Well, my 16 year old daughter just happened to see the image, and said, O! What's THAT? I *really* like it. Except I'd make the colored part in the back the same color as the rest of the dress. so, there's your market Denise ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
Looks like a Tudor-ish neckline, 1700's sleeves, a 1990's bridal dress train thingy, an Elizabethan forepart and hoop shape, a 1860's basque waist and a bustle era-inspired gathered back. I believe the Victorians did stuff like this for fancy dress, but what era this one's going for is beyond me! It has something for everyone. But as a foofy bridal gown, it's nice, surprisingly. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] victorian gown? http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
It looks like a modern goth variation of the Pirates of the Caribean costume pattern http://www.simplicity.com/p-2098-costumes.aspx Simplicity #40?? (For some reason, ever since Simplicity up graded there website my computer periodical freezes up when I try to browse their site. So I wasn't able to get the number before it glitched my screen. I think they stuck a bustle on it and called it Victorian. Well at least it isn't listed in thier historical pattern section. De -Original Message- Looks like a Tudor-ish neckline, 1700's sleeves, a 1990's bridal dress train thingy, an Elizabethan forepart and hoop shape, a 1860's basque waist and a bustle era-inspired gathered back. I believe the Victorians did stuff like this for fancy dress, but what era this one's going for is beyond me! It has something for everyone. But as a foofy bridal gown, it's nice, surprisingly. -Original Message- http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
Sharon Collier wrote: Looks like a Tudor-ish neckline, 1700's sleeves, a 1990's bridal dress train thingy, an Elizabethan forepart and hoop shape, a 1860's basque waist and a bustle era-inspired gathered back. I believe the Victorians did stuff like this for fancy dress, but what era this one's going for is beyond me! It has something for everyone. But as a foofy bridal gown, it's nice, surprisingly That's kind of what I suspected, but as this isn't my period I couldn't be sure. I'll stick it into the fantasy hall costume category. And I agree with the other poster who said her daughter would make it with the bustle and skirt all one color. It looks silly IMO the way they did it. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
After all our discussion here, 8-), one does wonder where this came from-- I mean, who proposed it to McCall's, and who at McCall's thought it would sell (and TO WHOM!)? I also notice it's on sale for half the discounted price (about 25% of the retail price)... chimene How about four centuries of costume quotations...not likely Victorian!! Kathleen -Original Message- From: stils...@netspace.net.au Sent 3/9/2010 6:39:14 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian gown? http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Yeah, sorta, well, kind'a maybe... Victorian was a pretty big slab of years, covering 2-3 generations which equals even more changes of fashion styles. That sleeve shape was used in some later Victorian but not with that bottom half; the bustle-like effect of what seems to be rushing suggests something Victorian; etc. You can find it if you look but, as question suggests, the thing is not Victorian per se, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
I saw that when it first came out and wondered if maybe the Victorian they based it on was dressed for a masquerade party. (if they based it on one, that is) From: Dawn d...@reddawn.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 2:52:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] victorian gown? http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
At 06:52 AM 3/9/2010, you wrote: http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Dawn It looks to me like it could be a fancy-dress costume from the 1880s that was supposed to be colonial. I have seen some very interesting 1880s' era fancy dress costumes; no matter the time period that was supposed to be represented, they all had the 1880s' wasp-waisted silhouette. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] victorian gown?
http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
IMO it is a nice fantasy wedding gown somebody came up with withou and real research . it has elements of victorian, (sort of bustle and train) and revolutionary war ( front panel, sort of cascading sleeves and imitation underskirt) and a nice does of imaginationand it in'ts ugly, it just isnt what it says it is Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 From: Dawn d...@reddawn.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:52:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] victorian gown? http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
It looks to me like it could be a fancy-dress costume from the 1880s that was supposed to be colonial. I have seen some very interesting 1880s' era fancy dress costumes; no matter the time period that was supposed to be represented, they all had the 1880s' wasp-waisted silhouette. Dolly Varden was an 1870s play popular enough to have generated pseudo-colonial-styled dresses named after it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Varden_(costume)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Varden_%28costume%29 I think actual 1870s Dolly Varden dresses are fun, because I'm a historical purist with a warped sense of humor. But this pattern isn't one of them. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Yeah, sorta, well, kind'a maybe... Victorian was a pretty big slab of years, covering 2-3 generations which equals even more changes of fashion styles. That sleeve shape was used in some later Victorian but not with that bottom half; the bustle-like effect of what seems to be rushing suggests something Victorian; etc. You can find it if you look but, as question suggests, the thing is not Victorian per se, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] victorian gown?
How about four centuries of costume quotations...not likely Victorian!! Kathleen -Original Message- From: stils...@netspace.net.au Sent 3/9/2010 6:39:14 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] victorian gown? http://mccallpattern.mccall.com/m6097-products-10908.php?page_id=96 Is any part of this dress based on anything victorian? Or is this a copy of a movie costume? Yeah, sorta, well, kind'a maybe... Victorian was a pretty big slab of years, covering 2-3 generations which equals even more changes of fashion styles. That sleeve shape was used in some later Victorian but not with that bottom half; the bustle-like effect of what seems to be rushing suggests something Victorian; etc. You can find it if you look but, as question suggests, the thing is not Victorian per se, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
