Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Lynn Downward]

Sylvia, that sounds like a good solution.

You can find several Victorian millinery patterns, early to late Victorian,
at Lynn McMaster's website. She owns a company that makes hat and
bonnet patterns for several different periods of history. Here's her
website:  www.*lynn**mcmasters*.com/ 
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On 1/13/08, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What I ended up doing was to pattern a large hood, then draw it up in
> pleats to fit the head at the nape of the neck.  I used a ribbon to
> hold the pleats in place with the ends tying under the neck.  At first
> I had thought the ribbons extended from the bottom of the cuff or brim
> but I see in the sketch that the ends of such brim are free, so I
> figured the ribbon ties must be coming from the pleated area.
>
> I am making the hood to go with an old mid 19th c outfit I built years
> ago for use now in a workshop I'm giving.  I was going to make a bonnet
> but I haven't been able to find one that shows the basic understructure
> from that period and they all look made out of  straw anyhow.  Does
> anyone know, for future reference, of any patterns for bonnets from
> this period?
>
> Sylrog
>
> On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> > Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for
> > winter wear or a sea voyage.  It is "of dark brown, green, or blue
> > silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed
> > with quilling of ribbon the same shade.  It is becomming as well as
> > servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new."
> >
> >   So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you
> > say, to cover the center seam of the hood.  www.victorianmillinery.com
> > has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back...
> >
> >   I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something
> > better.  Do you need a copy of this picture?  I can scan it at work
> > tomorrow and send it to you.
> >
> >
> > Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what
> > the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote
> > calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure
> > out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over
> > the top of the head.
> >
> > Sylrog
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a copy...
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
> >> I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies".
> >> I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I
> >> think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning
> >> it though if anyone does happen to have the book.
> >>
> >> Sylrog
> >>
> >> On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of
> >>> the
> >>> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay
> >>> all
> >>> the
> >>> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Sylvia Rognstad]

What I ended up doing was to pattern a large hood, then draw it up in 
pleats to fit the head at the nape of the neck.  I used a ribbon to 
hold the pleats in place with the ends tying under the neck.  At first 
I had thought the ribbons extended from the bottom of the cuff or brim 
but I see in the sketch that the ends of such brim are free, so I 
figured the ribbon ties must be coming from the pleated area.


I am making the hood to go with an old mid 19th c outfit I built years 
ago for use now in a workshop I'm giving.  I was going to make a bonnet 
but I haven't been able to find one that shows the basic understructure 
from that period and they all look made out of  straw anyhow.  Does 
anyone know, for future reference, of any patterns for bonnets from 
this period?


Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris wrote:

Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for 
winter wear or a sea voyage.  It is "of dark brown, green, or blue 
silk; the upper point or fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed 
with quilling of ribbon the same shade.  It is becomming as well as 
servicable shape, and the short, round corners make it decidely new."


  So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you 
say, to cover the center seam of the hood.  www.victorianmillinery.com 
has a picture of one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back...


  I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something 
better.  Do you need a copy of this picture?  I can scan it at work 
tomorrow and send it to you.



Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what
the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote
calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure
out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over
the top of the head.

Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote:


Hi,

I have a copy...

Chris

Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies".
I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I
think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning
it though if anyone does happen to have the book.

Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:


Hi,

The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of
the
magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay 
all

the
time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.





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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Sylvia Rognstad]

So it's fanchon, not fauchon?  Is that the part that turns back or the 
separate layer that goes over the top?



On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:37 AM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote:

found the book and page: to me the curtaain seems to be  fan-pleated 
with the fanchon (cuff) laid on from ear to ear. The pleating in the 
crown seems slightly rouched to cap the head.  As you have suggested, 
there might be a lining in the head portion.  In another similar hood 
in my collection, this inner cap is of wired straw, oval-shaped, and 
is set ear to ear.


Kathleen
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To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies


Does anyone have this book?  I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 
63. I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is 
drawn up in the back to form the pleats.  If so, I can't figure out 
what holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that 
just seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong.  
It's from the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in.


If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the 
picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere.  Do we have a 
place for this list to do so?


Sylrog

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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[LLOYD MITCHELL]

found the book and page: to me the curtaain seems to be  fan-pleated with 
the fanchon (cuff) laid on from ear to ear. The pleating in the crown seems 
slightly rouched to cap the head.  As you have suggested, there might be a 
lining in the head portion.  In another similar hood in my collection, this 
inner cap is of wired straw, oval-shaped, and is set ear to ear.


Kathleen
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To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies


Does anyone have this book?  I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I 
started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in 
the back to form the pleats.  If so, I can't figure out what holds it in 
place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more 
complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong.  It's from the 1850s-60s 
before the complex bustle draping came in.


If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I 
can take a photo and upload it somewhere.  Do we have a place for this 
list to do so?


Sylrog

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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Chris]

Ok, here's what the book says "The hood 'opposite' if intended for winter wear 
or a sea voyage.  It is "of dark brown, green, or blue silk; the upper point or 
fauchon, the curtain and the brim, trimmed with quilling of ribbon the same 
shade.  It is becomming as well as servicable shape, and the short, round 
corners make it decidely new."
   
  So, from what I see, the 'fauchon' looks like it's just what you say, to 
cover the center seam of the hood.  www.victorianmillinery.com has a picture of 
one/pattern, but it doesn't show the back...
   
  I'll peruse the other books I have and see if I can find something better.  
Do you need a copy of this picture?  I can scan it at work tomorrow and send it 
to you.
  

Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My question concerns the description of the hood. I'm wondering what 
the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration. I think the quote 
calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is. The only thing I could figure 
out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over 
the top of the head.

Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a copy...
>
> Chris
>
> Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
> I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies".
> I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I
> think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning
> it though if anyone does happen to have the book.
>
> Sylrog
>
> On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of
>> the
>> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all
>> the
>> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.
>>


   
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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Sylvia Rognstad]

My question concerns the description of the hood.  I'm wondering what 
the top "flap" is for, other than pure decoration.  I think the quote 
calls it a "fauchon", whatever that is.  The only thing I could figure 
out is that it covers up what has to be a center seam that goes over 
the top of the head.


Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Chris wrote:


Hi,

  I have a copy...

  Chris

Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies".
I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I
think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning
it though if anyone does happen to have the book.

Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:


Hi,

The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of
the
magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all
the
time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.

if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of
sites
that host collections of the images.

Just google for them and you will get 100's




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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Chris]

Hi,
   
  I have a copy...
   
  Chris

Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I was referring to an actual book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies". 
I realize it was a magazine. Since I posted the message, however, I 
think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning 
it though if anyone does happen to have the book.

Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of 
> the
> magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all 
> the
> time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.
>
> if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of 
> sites
> that host collections of the images.
>
> Just google for them and you will get 100's
>

   
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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[Sylvia Rognstad]

I was referring to an actual  book I have called "Mr. Godey's Ladies".   
I realize it was a magazine.Since I posted the message, however, I  
think I figured it out. I was going to ask another question concerning  
it though if anyone does happen to have the book.


Sylrog

On Jan 13, 2008, at 5:29 AM, S Young wrote:


Hi,

The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of  
the
magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all  
the

time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.

if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of  
sites

that host collections of the images.

Just google for them and you will get 100's

Sidney

On Jan 13, 2008 9:43 AM, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone have this book?  I'm trying to pattern the hood on page  
63.
 I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is  
drawn

up in the back to form the pleats.  If so, I can't figure out what
holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just
seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong.  It's  
from

the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in.

If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the
picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere.  Do we have a
place for this list to do so?

Sylrog





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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[LLOYD MITCHELL]

I have the book but will have to search it out later. The volume is more a 
history about "Godey's Lady book", one of the leading fashion journals of 
the 19th Century.
What is the approximate year of the hood you are trying to make?I am aware 
that this small history book also has illustrations taken from the larger 
year books of the magazine itself. If I knew the year, I could look it up in 
the original. (I have a sizable library of Godey's, Peterson's, Arthur's, 
and the Delinator)  Also, do not forget the Costume Library (Penny 
Lardniere) as a resource.


Kathleen
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies


Does anyone have this book?  I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63. I 
started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn up in 
the back to form the pleats.  If so, I can't figure out what holds it in 
place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just seems more 
complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong.  It's from the 1850s-60s 
before the complex bustle draping came in.


If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the picture, I 
can take a photo and upload it somewhere.  Do we have a place for this 
list to do so?


Sylrog

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Re: [h-cost] Mr. Godey's Ladies

[S Young]

Hi,

The book is not a single book but a bound volume of a years worth of the
magazine, so there are lots of Godey's books. They come up on eBay all the
time but attract $100+ USD so are quite prized.

if you are after plate images from the books, there are a number of sites
that host collections of the images.

Just google for them and you will get 100's

Sidney

On Jan 13, 2008 9:43 AM, Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone have this book?  I'm trying to pattern the hood on page 63.
>  I started out with a simple hood and figured it looks like it is drawn
> up in the back to form the pleats.  If so, I can't figure out what
> holds it in place other than a fitted lining underneath and that just
> seems more complex than it probably is, but maybe I'm wrong.  It's from
> the 1850s-60s before the complex bustle draping came in.
>
> If you don't have the book and are interested in looking at the
> picture, I can take a photo and upload it somewhere.  Do we have a
> place for this list to do so?
>
> Sylrog
>
> 
>
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