Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
On Jul 13, 2007, at 7:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a date in 20 ft high numbers: 1898 Yes. It's one thing to have some fantasy-based costumes in a vampire film (though perhaps we shouldn't talk about the strapless orange chiffon nightie...), but when you have a particular date, things that are quite accurate for another date are confusing. Mina's big bustles were awfully out of style for 1898! Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
Hi, at school, we´ve got a book of Eiko Ishioka´s work with lots of pictures from all the movies she made. I remember having seen a picture of Lucy with fangs in her wedding dress next to the photo of an angry Australian lizard. Apparently, the inspiration for the ruff was not only from a historical source. However, I think it´s a great idea to dress a vampire like a reptile! Hanna At 13:36 13.07.2007, you wrote: At 12:10 13/07/2007, you wrote: Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online I also found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some particular place and time. And the same artist too. I recognised that in the film - nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? And the book said it was based on something else. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg And the similar portrait: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg Micahela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
In a message dated 7/13/2007 7:37:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? Then don't, at the beginning of the film, put up a date in 20 ft high numbers: 1898 ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
At 12:10 13/07/2007, you wrote: Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online I also found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some particular place and time. And the same artist too. I recognised that in the film - nothing to do with Romania, Transylvania, and the 19th century, but hey, this is fiction, right? And the book said it was based on something else. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg And the similar portrait: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg Micahela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. I'm pretty sure the book of the costumes said they were based on Kabuki costume rather than anything European. That said Lucy's wedding dress I'm sure was based on a portrait in 20,000 Years of Fashion and is early-mid 17thC. I just saw it again recently online I also found a similar painting which shows it was a fashion of some particular place and time. And the book said it was based on something else. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b12a.jpg And the similar portrait: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi06985b11a.jpg Micahela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
In a message dated 7/13/2007 7:58:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, I think it´s a great idea to dress a vampire like a reptile! *** I agree. But without foreknowledge of her idea... the costume has nothing to do with conveying anything reptilian. Now, how does she explain making Dracula look like Leon Russell? The problem with that film goes way beyond the costumes. For one it's Bram Stoker's Dracula they made a big noise about following the book. Then the very 1st scene and sequence in the film is NOT in the book. Hm...looks like trouble ahead. And it is. There are some very interesting ideas in the film, but it comes across as if the producers and powers that be thought EVERY idea they had was fabulous and we'd just love them too. There's no tightening of ideas and concepts. It's literally all over the place. And, no, we don't love them all. There's something tragically wrong with every shotand it's different in each mistake. ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
I think that historical accuracy is becoming less important in films, because a lot of minds in the film industry think accuracy has to go out the window in terms of the current aesthetic, budget, and the stars have to look good. It has always been so, but accurate as possible seems to equate with dull, academic, and very PBS. Compare the costumes in Elizabeth R with any Tudor-set film before or since. Not totally accurate, but reasonably close. Even Bette Davis when she played the aging QE1 in a film horrified the studio boses by shaving her head and insisting on being made-up to reflect E's age circa 1600. And sometimes the stars want to look good--you want more authentic--check out the extras in the background. Even in a Man for All Seasons has a 60's vibe--costumes seen in dull earth colors-(because it was generally thought back then only the very wealthy had bright rich colors and the somber mood of the film with the Mores as mostly noble and honest persons equalled honest earth colors) and everyone has that healthy tan makeup of the 60's for the natural look! Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Waddie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
Suzi Clarke wrote: At 01:45 12/07/2007, you wrote: On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? I'd have to dig up the reference, but the robe and particularly the hair (yes, the butt-hair) were based on 15th-century Romanian burial costume. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)/Dracula
In a message dated 7/12/2007 3:23:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... Really? What period? ** Mid to late Chinese Drag Queen. Bram Stoker's Dracula [They can't blame this mess on Bram Stoker!] is one of those films I love to hate. The costumes, though individually beautiful, are the worst. Except for maybe Amedeus. They're individually tasteless. ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Yep, here is a little more info on it.? I got a peek at the trailer last week through a friend's livejournal and promptly posted it on my own livejournal and myspace pages.? I can't wait to see it myself.? I heard through someone that it had already shown, or part of it had, at a film festival in Italy and had received a standing ovation, but I have no idea as to the veracity of that as I have not read it in print myself. http://www.workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=102 ~Kimberley -Original Message- From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 1:48 pm Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Thanks Kimberley, i will surely look forwards to that two. My Elizabeth R video is torned up, i have to buy the DVD, i love it so much. Thats why i have worned out the tape Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) Yep, here is a little more info on it.? I got a peek at the trailer last week through a friend's livejournal and promptly posted it on my own livejournal and myspace pages.? I can't wait to see it myself.? I heard through someone that it had already shown, or part of it had, at a film festival in Italy and had received a standing ovation, but I have no idea as to the veracity of that as I have not read it in print myself. http://www.workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=102 ~Kimberley -Original Message- From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 1:48 pm Subject: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
In a message dated 7/11/2007 3:46:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, dear, an Ascot hat, an Edwardian collar, and see through shoulders. *** I know! And of course the dreaded but all too common unbuttoned doublet syndrome on the men. [Some of my favorite movies have that!] At the end she'll run off with Sir Walter to the Lost Colony... oh wait...didn't Joan Collins already do that? :-P ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
At least it looks less painful than the original. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film) At 20:34 11/07/2007, you wrote: Here's the official website with trailer http://www.elizabeththegoldenage.net/ I expect the history to be just as horrible as the last one, but hey, clive Owen as Walter Raleigh, how can I miss it. MaggiRos Oh, dear, an Ascot hat, an Edwardian collar, and see through shoulders. Not my kind of historical movie. Give me Pirates of the Caribbean any time - at least it didn't pretend to be historical! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? Anne No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
On Jul 11, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Anne Moeller wrote: It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi I knew that dreadful look was familiar. Yuk!! I would love to know what inspired that! Does anyone know who the costume designer is on this movie? the funny thing is the Old Oldman Dracula butt-hair costume was one of the more historically-consistent designs in that film... andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
