Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all! When talking with someone a few days ago, I had a moment of Serendipity (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity ). Why don't we do a Welcome-to- FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) this year instead of Welcome-to-Linux? I don't think people will need our help to enter themselves to free software on Windows, while they do need our help to get around in Linux. Giving them recommendations on free software for windows is something we can do on our website, and don't need actual lectures. Kaplan ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
I don't think people will need our help to enter themselves to free software on Windows, while they do need our help to get around in Linux. I agree with this *most* of the way. I think it's better to keep the focus of the Introduction series on Linux, but to add in one lecture that specifically covers the philosophies and practices of Open Source no matter what the platform. - Lisha -- http://www.alwayssababa.com/pgpkey fingerprint: 8BE2 2BDF 940A 3F65 CD30 5B9B AD85 02D6 70E7 0C8C ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
Hi all! When talking with someone a few days ago, I had a moment of Serendipity (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity ). Why don't we do a Welcome-to- FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) this year instead of Welcome-to-Linux? We could show people some cool stuff about FOSS in both Linux and Windows: 1. Cross-platform (or even Windows-only) User-oriented FOSS - Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Inkscape, VirtualBox, GIMP, 7-zip, Notepad++, Audacity, various FOSS games, other stuff here - http://wiki.perl.org.il/index.php/FOSS_on_Windows and here - http://www.opensourcewindows.org/ 2. Open Source Development with a focus on rapid scripts/GUI-programs/etc. development using Perl/Python/Ruby/etc.[ScriptLang] 3. Don't be afraid of the command line. - why the UNIX command line can be useful. 4. The Free and Open Source Software philosophy and ideology and its positive implications on FOSS development and the computer and software industry: - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/foss-other-beasts/ - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/obj-oss/ - Also see the links from there. (Ori would probably be happy to give it.) 5. And naturally and possibly - something about how to try out Linux, possibly using a VirtualBox/etc. VM. -- I think that now FOSS is more ubiquitous and mainstream than just on alternative, fully open-source, operating systems such as Linux. One should also remember that the main issue at hand is not Linux vs. Windows but rather the freedom of software and its open nature. Porting to Windows is no different from porting one's software to proprietary UNIXes such as Mac OS X, AIX, HP/UX or Solaris before it became OpenSolaris. [Windows] So what do you think? Am I crazy or am I on to something? Two people I talked with liked the idea, and a different one had some doubts. Regards, Shlomi Fish Footnotes: -- [ScriptLang] - we can have a colour of the bikeshed argument of which agile language to teach later on, but ultimately it's up to who volunteers to prepare the slides and present the presentation. [Windows] - Windows is indeed less compatible to Linux than other UNIXes, but: 1. There are many incompatibilities between the different UNIXes. 2. There are some operating systems that are still being used (such as HP's VMS) which are even harder to port to than Windows. 3. Reality to be conquered must be obeyed. -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ First stop for Perl beginners - http://perl-begin.org/ Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
IMHO it's a branding issue. Linux is a brand name. When you say Welcome to Linux it has associations. When you say welcome to FOSS, people give you a blank stare, and then you have to explain, all the while making sure your arguments don't enter tin-foil-hat land. It's not as if Welcome to Linux involves compiling your kernel, loading modules, or creating device nodes. It has very little to do with Linux itself and could be done on BSD or HURD for all intents and purposes. You show them gnome/KDE, firefox, OOo, gimp, etc. So in short, while it's a great idea, I think there's an advantage to the branding that gets people to come. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:19, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all! When talking with someone a few days ago, I had a moment of Serendipity (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity ). Why don't we do a Welcome-to- FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) this year instead of Welcome-to-Linux? We could show people some cool stuff about FOSS in both Linux and Windows: 1. Cross-platform (or even Windows-only) User-oriented FOSS - Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Inkscape, VirtualBox, GIMP, 7-zip, Notepad++, Audacity, various FOSS games, other stuff here - http://wiki.perl.org.il/index.php/FOSS_on_Windows and here - http://www.opensourcewindows.org/ 2. Open Source Development with a focus on rapid scripts/GUI-programs/etc. development using Perl/Python/Ruby/etc.[ScriptLang] 3. Don't be afraid of the command line. - why the UNIX command line can be useful. 4. The Free and Open Source Software philosophy and ideology and its positive implications on FOSS development and the computer and software industry: - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/foss-other-beasts/ - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/obj-oss/ - Also see the links from there. (Ori would probably be happy to give it.) 5. And naturally and possibly - something about how to try out Linux, possibly using a VirtualBox/etc. VM. -- I think that now FOSS is more ubiquitous and mainstream than just on alternative, fully open-source, operating systems such as Linux. One should also remember that the main issue at hand is not Linux vs. Windows but rather the freedom of software and its open nature. Porting to Windows is no different from porting one's software to proprietary UNIXes such as Mac OS X, AIX, HP/UX or Solaris before it became OpenSolaris. [Windows] So what do you think? Am I crazy or am I on to something? Two people I talked with liked the idea, and a different one had some doubts. Regards, Shlomi Fish Footnotes: -- [ScriptLang] - we can have a colour of the bikeshed argument of which agile language to teach later on, but ultimately it's up to who volunteers to prepare the slides and present the presentation. [Windows] - Windows is indeed less compatible to Linux than other UNIXes, but: 1. There are many incompatibilities between the different UNIXes. 2. There are some operating systems that are still being used (such as HP's VMS) which are even harder to port to than Windows. 3. Reality to be conquered must be obeyed. -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ First stop for Perl beginners - http://perl-begin.org/ Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Joan Crawfordhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html - I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
I agree. Welcome to Linux and FOSS should be the name, and a short (no more than 20 words) explanation of the name should preclude the event. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, boazg boaz.ge...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it's a branding issue. Linux is a brand name. When you say Welcome to Linux it has associations. When you say welcome to FOSS, people give you a blank stare, and then you have to explain, all the while making sure your arguments don't enter tin-foil-hat land. It's not as if Welcome to Linux involves compiling your kernel, loading modules, or creating device nodes. It has very little to do with Linux itself and could be done on BSD or HURD for all intents and purposes. You show them gnome/KDE, firefox, OOo, gimp, etc. So in short, while it's a great idea, I think there's an advantage to the branding that gets people to come. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:19, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all! When talking with someone a few days ago, I had a moment of Serendipity (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity ). Why don't we do a Welcome-to- FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) this year instead of Welcome-to-Linux? We could show people some cool stuff about FOSS in both Linux and Windows: 1. Cross-platform (or even Windows-only) User-oriented FOSS - Firefox, OpenOffice.org, Inkscape, VirtualBox, GIMP, 7-zip, Notepad++, Audacity, various FOSS games, other stuff here - http://wiki.perl.org.il/index.php/FOSS_on_Windows and here - http://www.opensourcewindows.org/ 2. Open Source Development with a focus on rapid scripts/GUI-programs/etc. development using Perl/Python/Ruby/etc.[ScriptLang] 3. Don't be afraid of the command line. - why the UNIX command line can be useful. 4. The Free and Open Source Software philosophy and ideology and its positive implications on FOSS development and the computer and software industry: - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/foss-other-beasts/ - http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/obj-oss/ - Also see the links from there. (Ori would probably be happy to give it.) 5. And naturally and possibly - something about how to try out Linux, possibly using a VirtualBox/etc. VM. -- I think that now FOSS is more ubiquitous and mainstream than just on alternative, fully open-source, operating systems such as Linux. One should also remember that the main issue at hand is not Linux vs. Windows but rather the freedom of software and its open nature. Porting to Windows is no different from porting one's software to proprietary UNIXes such as Mac OS X, AIX, HP/UX or Solaris before it became OpenSolaris. [Windows] So what do you think? Am I crazy or am I on to something? Two people I talked with liked the idea, and a different one had some doubts. Regards, Shlomi Fish Footnotes: -- [ScriptLang] - we can have a colour of the bikeshed argument of which agile language to teach later on, but ultimately it's up to who volunteers to prepare the slides and present the presentation. [Windows] - Windows is indeed less compatible to Linux than other UNIXes, but: 1. There are many incompatibilities between the different UNIXes. 2. There are some operating systems that are still being used (such as HP's VMS) which are even harder to port to than Windows. 3. Reality to be conquered must be obeyed. -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ First stop for Perl beginners - http://perl-begin.org/ Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Joan Crawfordhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html - I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux -- Man is the only animal that laughs and weeps, for he is the only animal that is struck with the difference between what things are and what they ought to be. - William Hazlitt Ohad Lutzky ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
On Friday 11 September 2009 13:26:32 Ohad Lutzky wrote: I agree. Welcome to Linux and FOSS should be the name, and a short (no more than 20 words) explanation of the name should preclude the event. Welcome to FOSS may have been a name I used out of convenience. We can call it Welcome to Open Source or Welcome to Open Source Software, etc. Many people have heard about Open Source. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Freecell Solver - http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ Chuck Norris read the entire English Wikipedia in 24 hours. Twice. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Idea: Welcome to Open Source instead of Welcome to Linux this year
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:26:32PM +0300, Ohad Lutzky wrote: I agree. Welcome to Linux and FOSS should be the name, and a short (no more than 20 words) explanation of the name should preclude the event. Now try pronouncing that :-) It's not that short. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
