Re: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

2010-03-17 Thread Shahar Dag
Hello



I agree that web sites should be accessible from more then one browser.

I am not sure if sending 20 letters to a web muster on one day is better 
then 20 letters to the same web muster that arrives in a period of a month.

I suggest opening a page in the clubs site that will contain:

  1.. A table with the data of all the bad sites.
1.. The table should include:
2.. The company name
3.. The URL of the site
4.. The browser that is not working
5.. The problem
6.. The date this entry was added
7.. The email address of the webmaster
8.. The email address (or any other address) of the company headquarter
9.. The date this entry was added
10.. Did the fix the problem (  when )
  2.. Some templates of a letters to a webmaster / company headquarter
  3.. Links to tools that can check the quality of the web page
  4.. Links to instructions on how to make a web page standard
I suggest that Linux-il and any Linux / open source community shell be asked 
to send the same letters according to this web page.

I think that we shell include in the letter to the web muster a link to a 
free tool that can scan his web  point out all the non-standard parts. If 
we can point out to a solution page, this will be even better.



Shahar

- Original Message - 
From: Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com
To: Haifux haifux@haifux.org
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support


 Hi everybody,

 Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
 http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
 machine.

 While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are
 still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once
 there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official
 organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we
 usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not
 work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The
 reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.

 Hence, I would like to suggest a rant meeting, where we will all sit
 down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many
 websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is
 easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20
 people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give
 or take), is something which is harder to discard.

 Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the
 meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on
 polite) to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a
 client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have
 support for your browser).

 Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we
 will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right
 direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the
 nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.

 Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold
 electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can
 attend through chats, IMs, and such),

 -- 
 Orr Dunkelman,
 orr.dunkel...@gmail.com

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[Haifux] Fwd: A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

2010-03-17 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
-- Forwarded message --
From: Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com

You can open a parallel page to this one for non-government websites:
http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/index.php/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%90_%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D

See also: http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
ladyp...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think such a page should be dynamic (our site is static) and user
 editable, maybe a wiki. Maybe Hamakor already have such a setup or even page
 ready?

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Shahar Dag d...@cs.technion.ac.il
 Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet
 support
 To: Haifux haifux@haifux.org


 Hello



 I agree that web sites should be accessible from more then one browser.

 I am not sure if sending 20 letters to a web muster on one day is better
 then 20 letters to the same web muster that arrives in a period of a month.

 I suggest opening a page in the clubs site that will contain:

  1.. A table with the data of all the bad sites.
1.. The table should include:
2.. The company name
3.. The URL of the site
4.. The browser that is not working
5.. The problem
6.. The date this entry was added
7.. The email address of the webmaster
8.. The email address (or any other address) of the company headquarter
9.. The date this entry was added
10.. Did the fix the problem (  when )
  2.. Some templates of a letters to a webmaster / company headquarter
  3.. Links to tools that can check the quality of the web page
  4.. Links to instructions on how to make a web page standard
 I suggest that Linux-il and any Linux / open source community shell be
 asked
 to send the same letters according to this web page.

 I think that we shell include in the letter to the web muster a link to a
 free tool that can scan his web  point out all the non-standard parts. If
 we can point out to a solution page, this will be even better.



 Shahar

 - Original Message -
 From: Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com
 To: Haifux haifux@haifux.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:21 PM
 Subject: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support


  Hi everybody,
 
  Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
  http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
  machine.
 
  While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are
  still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once
  there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official
  organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we
  usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not
  work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The
  reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.
 
  Hence, I would like to suggest a rant meeting, where we will all sit
  down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many
  websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is
  easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20
  people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give
  or take), is something which is harder to discard.
 
  Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the
  meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on
  polite) to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a
  client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have
  support for your browser).
 
  Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we
  will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right
  direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the
  nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.
 
  Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold
  electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can
  attend through chats, IMs, and such),
 
  --
  Orr Dunkelman,
  orr.dunkel...@gmail.com
 
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  (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys. The key
  corresponds to o...@vipe.technion.ac.il)
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