Re: [Hampshire] Notebook remix Linux distro

2010-11-07 Thread john lewis
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:11:23 +
Clive Woodfine clivewoodf...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it is deb based but it has it's own package unique manager
 with limited software.  You can try it by booting it off a memory
 stick/card first to see how you like or hate it.

Nobody has mentioned that Debian support the Asus Eeepc with a
customised version, see this page. 

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC

I replaced the 'newbie friendly' linux that came on my Asus 900 with
DebianEeePC within ten minutes of getting it home. It has the
default gnome interface and I'd not change it for any other distro.

Like someone else said I too got it to carry around to pick up wifi
connections in pubs and the like, the wifi just worked 'outta da box'.

I also use as a portable geneweb server for when I go to genealogical
meetings instead of the much heavier Sony Vario I used to use.  

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[Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
Hi everyone,

My son is currently residing in halls of residence where is 'net access
is piped to his laptop via an ethernet cable on his desk. Obviously that
somewhat restricts the flexibility of the laptop and longer cables are
not really an option as he has mobility problems and would struggle if
there were cables trailing around the room.

It occurred to me that this might be solved with a wireless access point
that hooks up to the ethernet cable, but upon looking for a modern
incarnation of such a device it appears they have been largely ousted by
the combination wireless routers many of us use. You can buy them, but
they seem to be the same price as a good quality wireless router, i.e. £45.

My brain's a bit fuzzier than usual this morning, but am I right in
thinking I could buy a cheaper wireless modem and configure it solely as
an access point, i.e. leaving the modem component unconfigured?

The range isn't important, but it will need to be secured, ideally with
WPA and MAC address filtering.

Sean

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Tim
On Sunday 07 November 2010 09:31:05 Sean Gibbins wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 My son is currently residing in halls of residence where is 'net access
 is piped to his laptop via an ethernet cable on his desk. Obviously that
 somewhat restricts the flexibility of the laptop and longer cables are
 not really an option as he has mobility problems and would struggle if
 there were cables trailing around the room.

 It occurred to me that this might be solved with a wireless access point
 that hooks up to the ethernet cable, but upon looking for a modern
 incarnation of such a device it appears they have been largely ousted by
 the combination wireless routers many of us use. You can buy them, but
 they seem to be the same price as a good quality wireless router, i.e. £45.

 My brain's a bit fuzzier than usual this morning, but am I right in
 thinking I could buy a cheaper wireless modem and configure it solely as
 an access point, i.e. leaving the modem component unconfigured?

 The range isn't important, but it will need to be secured, ideally with
 WPA and MAC address filtering.

 Sean



Does this help

Here the AP

http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=18pl1_id=1pl2_id=5

Cost £22 here

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ew-7206apg-wireless-access-point-80211g-54mbps-with-wds-function-%28realtek%29

Hope it helps

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Jack Knight
On 7 November 2010 09:31, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 My son is currently residing in halls of residence where is 'net access
 is piped to his laptop via an ethernet cable on his desk. Obviously that
 somewhat restricts the flexibility of the laptop and longer cables are
 not really an option as he has mobility problems and would struggle if
 there were cables trailing around the room.

 It occurred to me that this might be solved with a wireless access point
 that hooks up to the ethernet cable, but upon looking for a modern
 incarnation of such a device it appears they have been largely ousted by
 the combination wireless routers many of us use. You can buy them, but
 they seem to be the same price as a good quality wireless router, i.e. £45.

 My brain's a bit fuzzier than usual this morning, but am I right in
 thinking I could buy a cheaper wireless modem and configure it solely as
 an access point, i.e. leaving the modem component unconfigured?

 The range isn't important, but it will need to be secured, ideally with
 WPA and MAC address filtering.


Sean,

You could get a cheap 2nd hand router and blow it with DD-WRT or OpenWRT -
see their hardware compatibility pages (below) for suitable devices. Then
you have massive flexibility to set the thing up exactly as you want, plus
tweak power settings etc.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices

Have fun



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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 10:01, Jack Knight wrote:

 Sean,

 You could get a cheap 2nd hand router and blow it with DD-WRT or
 OpenWRT - see their hardware compatibility pages (below) for suitable
 devices. Then you have massive flexibility to set the thing up exactly
 as you want, plus tweak power settings etc.

 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start
 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices

 Have fun

Hi Jack,

Thanks for that, but in this case I will keep it simple, as it is for my
artistic (i.e. decidedly non-technical) son!

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 09:49, Tim wrote:
 Does this help

 Here the AP

 http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=18pl1_id=1pl2_id=5

 Cost £22 here

 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ew-7206apg-wireless-access-point-80211g-54mbps-with-wds-function-%28realtek%29

 Hope it helps

Hi Tim,

That's much nearer Sammy's price range than anything eBuyer were
offering, so i think we'll go for that.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Paul Stimpson
Hi,

+1 for dd-wrt. 

I would ask on your local Freecycle if anyone has a DLink DIR615 (the wireless 
router that Virgin Media give you free if you subscribe to the 50Mbps package) 
they don't want any more. The Virgin DIR615 comes with custom Virgin firmware 
that is notoriously old and bad. Mine crashed so much with the original 
firmware that I would have thrown it at the wall if I hadn't put dd-wrt on it 
and I've seen others freecycled so hopefully there will be more going spare. 

Alternatively you could ask the University to fix the problem for you. I 
believe that under the disability act they are required to make reasonable 
adaptations to accommodate your son's disability. The only problem I can see is 
that if you ask for wifi and they tell you it's banned you can't claim you 
didn't know it wasn't allowed if you go DIY. 

Before you do anything I would have a look at the rules to see if it is 
naughty, see if anyone else is doing it and take precautions like turning off 
the SSID broadcast on the AP and using dd-wrt's MAC address clone function to 
clone the MAC address of the wired Ethernet port on your son's laptop in case 
they scan the network looking for unauthorised APs.  

Cheers,
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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Tim
On Sunday 07 November 2010 10:40:10 Paul Stimpson wrote:
 Hi,

 +1 for dd-wrt.

 I would ask on your local Freecycle if anyone has a DLink DIR615 (the
 wireless router that Virgin Media give you free if you subscribe to the
 50Mbps package) they don't want any more. The Virgin DIR615 comes with
 custom Virgin firmware that is notoriously old and bad. Mine crashed so
 much with the original firmware that I would have thrown it at the wall if
 I hadn't put dd-wrt on it and I've seen others freecycled so hopefully
 there will be more going spare.

 Alternatively you could ask the University to fix the problem for you. I
 believe that under the disability act they are required to make reasonable
 adaptations to accommodate your son's disability. The only problem I can
 see is that if you ask for wifi and they tell you it's banned you can't
 claim you didn't know it wasn't allowed if you go DIY.

 Before you do anything I would have a look at the rules to see if it is
 naughty, see if anyone else is doing it and take precautions like turning
 off the SSID broadcast on the AP and using dd-wrt's MAC address clone
 function to clone the MAC address of the wired Ethernet port on your son's
 laptop in case they scan the network looking for unauthorised APs.

 Cheers,
 Paul.


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I have an old D-Link ADSL Router at work if you are interested Sean

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 10:40, Paul Stimpson wrote:
 Alternatively you could ask the University to fix the problem for you. I 
 believe that under the disability act they are required to make reasonable 
 adaptations to accommodate your son's disability.

He's done very nicely out of the Disabled Student's Allowance, with a
new laptop, mouse, keyboard, monitor plus Windows 7 and MS Office
bells-and-whistles edition, all warranteed and insured for the next
three years. They have also provided a mobility scooter and various
other allowances to compensate for the difficulties he has in getting
around on his sticks while carrying stuff.

 The only problem I can see is that if you ask for wifi and they tell you it's 
 banned you can't claim you didn't know it wasn't allowed if you go DIY. 

 Before you do anything I would have a look at the rules to see if it is 
 naughty, see if anyone else is doing it and take precautions like turning off 
 the SSID broadcast on the AP and using dd-wrt's MAC address clone function 
 to clone the MAC address of the wired Ethernet port on your son's laptop in 
 case they scan the network looking for unauthorised APs.  

Good point, although I can't see they'd enforce a ban wireless
connectivity under these specific circumstances, i.e. a locked down
connection between a single machine and wireless access point. I
generally use WPA + mac address filtering and disabled SSID broadcast,
which I know isn't a guarantee of security but should keep out all but
the most determined intruder. As for checking the rules I think I'll
suck it and see, and if anyone does start walking the halls with a
scanner and subsequently complains, I'll pick it up from there.

Sean

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
On 7 November 2010 09:31, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 My son is currently residing in halls of residence where is 'net access
 is piped to his laptop via an ethernet cable on his desk. Obviously that
 somewhat restricts the flexibility of the laptop and longer cables are
 not really an option as he has mobility problems and would struggle if
 there were cables trailing around the room.

 It occurred to me that this might be solved with a wireless access point
 that hooks up to the ethernet cable, but upon looking for a modern
 incarnation of such a device it appears they have been largely ousted by
 the combination wireless routers many of us use. You can buy them, but
 they seem to be the same price as a good quality wireless router, i.e. £45.

 My brain's a bit fuzzier than usual this morning, but am I right in
 thinking I could buy a cheaper wireless modem and configure it solely as
 an access point, i.e. leaving the modem component unconfigured?

 The range isn't important, but it will need to be secured, ideally with
 WPA and MAC address filtering.

 Sean


You should look at the university policy and see how many hosts you
are allow to connect to the ethernet point in the room.
E.g. Are you allowed to attach a HUB and run more than one PC from it.
If you can, then a simple Wireless AP will work.
If, you are only allowed to connect one PC/host to the ethernet cable,
then you will need to go for something like a cable modem or cable
access point.
A cable access point does the wireless AP function, and also has an
ethernet port for connecting to the external network. An ADSL wireless
access point would instead have an phone port for connecting to the
external network.
The cable access point would then do Network address translation and
therefore work correctly with the ethernet cable on the wall.

One point of caution. If you son is able to attach a Wireless AP,
other students will also be able to, and thus the wireless might
become very congested and cause problems that way.

Kind Regards

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 09:49, Tim wrote:
 Does this help

 Here the AP

 http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=18pl1_id=1pl2_id=5

 Cost £22 here

 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ew-7206apg-wireless-access-point-80211g-54mbps-with-wds-function-%28realtek%29
 
Got it from Amazon in the end on account of Scan wanting 8 quid for PP!

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 14:26, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
 One point of caution. If you son is able to attach a Wireless AP,
 other students will also be able to, and thus the wireless might
 become very congested and cause problems that way.

Well, Sam will be effectively creating his own wireless network to
communicate between his latop and the the ethernet port, and as such
will be able to limit who else can connect to his WAP and from there on
to his ethernet port. AFAIK there is no wireless network as such within
the halls of residence and each student has to connect via the wired
network. I can see that if everybody did this in close proximity there
could be problems with getting a decent connection in terms of available
channels not receiving interference from other WAPs, but otherwise there
shouldn't be a problem, surely?

Famous last words, eh?

;-)

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Robin Wilson
 Famous last words, eh?

I would suggest that he very carefully examines his university's IT policy. I 
know that the University of Southampton policy expressly forbids connecting 
hubs or wireless access points to ethernet sockets in halls of residence. A 
friend of mine at Southampton had his computing access revoked for the rest of 
the semester for breaking this policy. Obviously other universities may be more 
lenient than ISS at Southampton are.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Tim
On Sunday 07 November 2010 14:27:49 Sean Gibbins wrote:
 On 07/11/10 09:49, Tim wrote:
  Does this help
 
  Here the AP
 
  http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=18pl1_id=1pl2_id=5
 
  Cost £22 here
 
  http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ew-7206apg-wireless-access-point-80
 211g-54mbps-with-wds-function-%28realtek%29

 Got it from Amazon in the end on account of Scan wanting 8 quid for PP!

 Sean

Seems fair enough, I mean getting it from Amazon not £8 pp

Hope it make life a bit easier for you both

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 14:38, Robin Wilson wrote:
 Famous last words, eh?
 I would suggest that he very carefully examines his university's IT policy. I 
 know that the University of Southampton policy expressly forbids connecting 
 hubs or wireless access points to ethernet sockets in halls of residence. A 
 friend of mine at Southampton had his computing access revoked for the rest 
 of the semester for breaking this policy. Obviously other universities may be 
 more lenient than ISS at Southampton are.

Hi Robin,

Wandering around the village with the dog it occurred to me that this is
likely to be the case.

Naively I assume everyone is like my son and therefore highly unlikely
to do 'bad stuff' via their connection.

I also assume that everyone who would want to use a WAP would go to
reasonable lengths to secure it to prevent other people doing similarly
bad stuff via their connection.

Obviously that is not very realistic of me and allowing people to use
WAPs would presumably expose the university, in that with an unsecured
WAP a student downloading films or music would have some level plausible
deniability, while a student who is restricted to only one connection to
the outside world is accountable for that connection.

Guess he'll have to get used to the idea of sitting at his desk to use
his laptop, eh?

Sean

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Michael Pavling
On 7 November 2010 15:25, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:
 Guess he'll have to get used to the idea of sitting at his desk to use
 his laptop, eh?

How big *is* his room? Wouldn't a 5-metre network cable allow him to
sit wherever he wants?

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 15:27, Michael Pavling wrote:
 On 7 November 2010 15:25, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:
 Guess he'll have to get used to the idea of sitting at his desk to use
 his laptop, eh?
 How big *is* his room? Wouldn't a 5-metre network cable allow him to
 sit wherever he wants?

Actually, bigger than the usual hutch 1st years are presented with in
halls, but no, not so big that a 5m cable would not reach all points in
the room where he would want to use it. However, the issue is that Sam
is somewhat less than steady on his feet when not using his sticks,
which he tends to abandon around the house and in his room, and a cable
trailing across the floor might present a problem to him or any
equipment it was attached to.

I might set him up with two cables, one for the desk and one for his
bed, which he can swap between depending upon where he is sitting.

Sean

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Michael Pavling
On 7 November 2010 15:36, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:
 However, the issue is that Sam
 is somewhat less than steady on his feet when not using his sticks,
 which he tends to abandon around the house and in his room, and a cable
 trailing across the floor might present a problem to him or any
 equipment it was attached to.

Ah! Well then yes, maybe a hub and a couple of tactically-located
cables would be best.

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 07/11/10 15:46, Michael Pavling wrote:
 On 7 November 2010 15:36, Sean Gibbins s...@funkygibbins.me.uk wrote:
 However, the issue is that Sam
 is somewhat less than steady on his feet when not using his sticks,
 which he tends to abandon around the house and in his room, and a cable
 trailing across the floor might present a problem to him or any
 equipment it was attached to.
 Ah! Well then yes, maybe a hub and a couple of tactically-located
 cables would be best.

Nope, apparently not: having read the rules around connectivity his PC
must be directly connected to the network to be compliant!

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Vic

 a cable
 trailing across the floor might present a problem to him or any
 equipment it was attached to.

Could you not use stick bases and cable ties to keep the cables off the
floor? And a couple of RJ45 jacks on the end...

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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Vic


 My brain's a bit fuzzier than usual this morning, but am I right in
thinking I could buy a cheaper wireless modem and configure it solely as
an access point, i.e. leaving the modem component unconfigured?

Yes.

Get an el-cheapo wireless router. Ignore the ADSL port (it'll flash a
light at you, but who cares?). Connect one of the ethernet sockets to your
connection, and set the wifi up as you want it to be.

This is how I run my wifi network - the router is connected to a dedicated
network card on my server, which runs an aggressive set of firewall rules
on that interface. I am ignoring most of its capability - it has become no
more than a bridge.

Vic.








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Re: [Hampshire] Notebook remix Linux distro

2010-11-07 Thread Graeme Hilton
On 6 November 2010 16:59, trotter m.nutt...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

Surprisingly a on-line Linux questionnaire recommended SuSE or fedora but i
 thought they were heavy distros.


Fedora have an LXDE based spin:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/

 http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/I run this on my EeePC 701.

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Re: [Hampshire] Notebook remix Linux distro

2010-11-07 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 07 November 2010 08:43:06 john lewis wrote:
 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:11:23 +

 Clive Woodfine clivewoodf...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think it is deb based but it has it's own package unique manager
  with limited software.  You can try it by booting it off a memory
  stick/card first to see how you like or hate it.

 Nobody has mentioned that Debian support the Asus Eeepc with a
 customised version, see this page.

 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC

 I replaced the 'newbie friendly' linux that came on my Asus 900 with
 DebianEeePC within ten minutes of getting it home. It has the
 default gnome interface and I'd not change it for any other distro.

 Like someone else said I too got it to carry around to pick up wifi
 connections in pubs and the like, the wifi just worked 'outta da box'.

 I also use as a portable geneweb server for when I go to genealogical
 meetings instead of the much heavier Sony Vario I used to use.

I have Debian installed on my Acer Aspire One, and it is great!  Because I 
insist on Lenny and KDE 3 for as long as I can (and by the time that I can't 
I hope that Trinity will be up to speed) I had to install a couple of 
backports (a newer kernel and a newer wicd).  But otherwise just out of the 
box.  The day I actually wiped Linspire off the disk was delighful.  I used 
to wonder how any Linux distro could be that bad.  Now I know!

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Notebook remix Linux distro

2010-11-07 Thread trotter

At 18:34 07/11/2010, you wrote:
On 6 November 2010 16:59, trotter 
mailto:m.nutt...@ukonline.co.ukm.nutt...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:


Surprisingly a on-line Linux questionnaire recommended SuSE or fedora but i
thought they were heavy distros.


Fedora have an LXDE based spin:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/

I run this on my EeePC 701.


So this is still fedora but with LXDE window manager included
instead of KDE or gnome?

I can only find brief information which seems to indicate it is
the latest fedora with the latest LXDE WM and no further
optimisations.

Thanks for the information it would better for me to have a rpm
based distro if possible.

Martin N

Running MorphOS v2.4 on Mac Mini, Moderator of 
MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups




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Re: [Hampshire] Notebook remix Linux distro

2010-11-07 Thread Vic

 So this is still fedora but with LXDE window manager included
 instead of KDE or gnome?

 I can only find brief information which seems to indicate it is
 the latest fedora with the latest LXDE WM and no further
 optimisations.

Fedora seems quite happy in limited RAM. I'm running it on a Latitude C510
laptop - that's an 850MHz P3 with 256MB.

It's not fabulous, but it's certainly usable. 256MB is a bit stingy...

Vic.


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Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Wireless Access Point

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Johnson
On Sunday 07 Nov 2010 10:40:10 Paul Stimpson wrote:
 Before you do anything I would have a look at the rules to see if it is
 naughty, see if anyone else is doing it and take precautions like turning
 off the SSID broadcast on the AP and using dd-wrt's MAC address clone
 function to clone the MAC address of the wired Ethernet port on your son's
 laptop in case they scan the network looking for unauthorised APs.

Obviously each university's going to have a different setup, but this step 
would have been absolutely necessary at my uni, as you had to register your 
MAC address with your room number to get online, and were only allowed 1 MAC 
per room.

I'd be suprised if it wasn't a breach of the uni's AUP for users to hook up 
their own networking equipment, so I'd speak to them rather than risk him 
getting kicked off the network, but that's just the sysadmin in my head trying 
to be heard ;-)

Cheers
Mark
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