Re: [Hampshire] test message
On Wed, 2011-11-16 at 22:53 +, Vic wrote: I have over 3500 email addresses Vic the spam king then ;-) Nope. SpamAssassin does a fine job of keeping me largely spam-free. Rejecting forged addresses has a significant effect, too... Some years ago I used regularly to change email addresses, though all on my own domains. My server started to get very very slow, and when I investigated it was because it was trying to dump around 6000 spams a day, was not clearing them as quickly as they were coming in and as a result had become completely constipated. (Admittedly with SA as a script on an old machine, the compiled version solved that). G. -- Gordon Scottwww.gscott.co.uk 01256-476547 0794-1958207 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
My server started to get very very slow, and when I investigated it was because it was trying to dump around 6000 spams a day I get rather more than that :-) The trick is to reject (never bounce) the spam as early as possible. At the moment, the bulk seem to be forging the same address as they're sending to (i.e. pretending to be me). My SPF filter punts them out in short order before it even gets to SpamAssassin :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 10:59 +, Vic wrote: My server started to get very very slow, and when I investigated it was because it was trying to dump around 6000 spams a day I get rather more than that :-) Very likely; that was 8 years ago. The trick is to reject (never bounce) the spam as early as possible. At the moment, the bulk seem to be forging the same address as they're sending to (i.e. pretending to be me). The slow server day was also the very day that I finally gave up on courtesy bounces. My SPF filter punts them out in short order before it even gets to SpamAssassin :-) I now let my ISP do most of it. Seems to work OK as I lose little I expect, and I see little I don't expect. G. -- Gordon Scottwww.gscott.co.uk 01256-476547 0794-1958207 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
The slow server day was also the very day that I finally gave up on courtesy bounces. Bounces are not a courtesy; they are a significant part of the spam problem. If you don't want an email *reject* it. Do not take it from the proffering MTA. Otherwise, if it is mis-addressed, you either swallow it (with any innocent originator not knowing what has happened, and so assuming that delivery went OK as per the mail log), or else you bounce it with the ever-growing likelihood that you've just sent a penis pill spam with a bounce notice to someone who has nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation. I now let my ISP do most of it. I find that ISPs never actually do what I want them to. Many of them seem to employ what I shall refer to as a spectrum of technical competence[1]. They also lose my traceability (which is important to me). Seems to work OK as I lose little I expect, and I see little I don't expect. How do you deal with creating many unique email addresses? What do you do with the inevitable spam that comes to them? Vic. [1] The ISP I used to work for had one guy who was absolutely amazing. Knew everything. Couldn't be faulted. But you'd usually end up with someone else dealing[2] with the ticket... [2] And I use the word quite wrongly, of course. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 14:29 +, Vic wrote: The slow server day was also the very day that I finally gave up on courtesy bounces. Bounces are not a courtesy; they are a significant part of the spam problem. Sadly that's true. Once upon a time, e-mail was either delivered or bounced and could be relied upon to do only one of those two things. Unfortunately the spammers have completely wrecked what once was a reliable totally system. If you don't want an email *reject* it. Do not take it from the proffering MTA. Otherwise, if it is mis-addressed, you either swallow it (with any innocent originator not knowing what has happened, and so assuming that delivery went OK as per the mail log), or else you bounce it with the ever-growing likelihood that you've just sent a penis pill spam with a bounce notice to someone who has nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation. That was the decision to which, regretfully, I came around 8 years ago. I now let my ISP do most of it. I find that ISPs never actually do what I want them to. Many of them seem to employ what I shall refer to as a spectrum of technical competence[1]. They also lose my traceability (which is important to me). I use ukfsn.org, which is likely still a one-man show and the one man is very competent but not, of course, available 24/7. Seems to work OK as I lose little I expect, and I see little I don't expect. How do you deal with creating many unique email addresses? What do you do with the inevitable spam that comes to them? postfix handles all my mail, though there aren't all _that_ many email addresses any more (and the thousands of mail-IDs to which I used to get them are long gone). procmail filters what gets to me and dumps assorted stuff into /dev/null I really don't now see very much spam. Vic. [1] The ISP I used to work for had one guy who was absolutely amazing. Knew everything. Couldn't be faulted. But you'd usually end up with someone else dealing[2] with the ticket... My one guy parted company with his previous ISP, so I followed him to his new start-up. [2] And I use the word quite wrongly, of course. [Grin] was there a touch of irony in that, then :-) ATB, Gordon. -- Gordon Scottwww.gscott.co.uk 01256-476547 0794-1958207 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16/11/11 07:57, Alan Pope wrote: On 16 November 2011 07:54, Timxendis...@gmail.com wrote: Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy You did, but gmail hides your own mail until someone else replies to it. Which makes sense to me but irritates many people. Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- Thanks for the reply Alan and yes it is irritating the hell out of me Time for another e-mail address change I think Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16 November 2011 08:01, Tim xendis...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the reply Alan and yes it is irritating the hell out of me Time for another e-mail address change I think Tim Just a thought. Have you tried accessing your Gmail from an IMAP client? May be worth a try. -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16 November 2011 08:01, Tim xendis...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/11/11 07:57, Alan Pope wrote: On 16 November 2011 07:54, Timxendis...@gmail.com wrote: Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy You did, but gmail hides your own mail until someone else replies to it. Which makes sense to me but irritates many people. Al. Thanks for the reply Alan and yes it is irritating the hell out of me Time for another e-mail address change I think 'me too' and having two addresses is -- best regards, Victor Churchill, Bournemouth -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16 November 2011 09:22, Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 November 2011 08:01, Tim xendis...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/11/11 07:57, Alan Pope wrote: On 16 November 2011 07:54, Timxendis...@gmail.com wrote: Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy You did, but gmail hides your own mail until someone else replies to it. Which makes sense to me but irritates many people. Thanks for the reply Alan and yes it is irritating the hell out of me Time for another e-mail address change I think 'me too' and having two addresses is oops. Somehow hit Tab key. Having two addresses is not necessarily a solution Tim. I recall having the same issue, and asking the same question on this list, and getting the same reply from Al ;-) I think that constitutes a FAQ. If I am particularly concerned to keep a conversation 'present' ( i.e. in my visible space) then I add a cc: to my regular gmail account when I post. Using two accounts does add all sorts of fun and games to the equation..! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] test message
On 16 November 2011 09:29, Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 November 2011 09:22, Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 November 2011 08:01, Tim xendis...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/11/11 07:57, Alan Pope wrote: On 16 November 2011 07:54, Timxendis...@gmail.com wrote: Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy You did, but gmail hides your own mail until someone else replies to it. Which makes sense to me but irritates many people. Thanks for the reply Alan and yes it is irritating the hell out of me Time for another e-mail address change I think 'me too' and having two addresses is oops. Somehow hit Tab key. Having two addresses is not necessarily a solution Tim. I recall having the same issue, and asking the same question on this list, and getting the same reply from Al ;-) I think that constitutes a FAQ. If I am particularly concerned to keep a conversation 'present' ( i.e. in my visible space) then I add a cc: to my regular gmail account when I post. Using two accounts does add all sorts of fun and games to the equation..! I solve the problem by not using GMail's smtp. I receive through GMail and send thorough my ISP's smtp server. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:29:59 + Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com wrote: Using two accounts does add all sorts of fun and games to the equation..! Yup! I have three email addresses and claws-mail doesn't pick the right one when I reply to mailing-lists (it does it just fine when I reply to individuals) and I regularly forget to ensure I use the right one for HantsLUG, but not this time ;-) -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16/11/11 12:08, john lewis wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:29:59 + Victor Churchillvictorchurch...@gmail.com wrote: Using two accounts does add all sorts of fun and games to the equation..! Yup! I have three email addresses and claws-mail doesn't pick the right one when I reply to mailing-lists (it does it just fine when I reply to individuals) and I regularly forget to ensure I use the right one for HantsLUG, but not this time ;-) Having an e-mail account cull was what made me move my lug mail to gmail in the first place, in the last 12 months I have ceased 4 e-mail accounts. This now leaves me with 3 e-mail accounts. This is the second attempt at sending this message tonight, in the first I boasted at how good I was at handling multiple accounts, only to send via the wrong smtp account DOH! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
Having an e-mail account cull was what made me move my lug mail to gmail in the first place, in the last 12 months I have ceased 4 e-mail accounts. This now leaves me with 3 e-mail accounts. I went in quite the opposite direction; I have over 3500 email addresses (although only one account). I can even create new addresses from my phone :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16/11/11 22:39, Vic wrote: Having an e-mail account cull was what made me move my lug mail to gmail in the first place, in the last 12 months I have ceased 4 e-mail accounts. This now leaves me with 3 e-mail accounts. I went in quite the opposite direction; I have over 3500 email addresses (although only one account). I can even create new addresses from my phone :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- Vic the spam king then ;-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
I have over 3500 email addresses Vic the spam king then ;-) Nope. SpamAssassin does a fine job of keeping me largely spam-free. Rejecting forged addresses has a significant effect, too... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] test message
Testing to see if I can post yet. Sorry to bother anybody Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
Looks good Tim :-) On Tuesday 15 November 2011 20:49:43 Tim wrote: Testing to see if I can post yet. Sorry to bother anybody Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16/11/11 01:29, Ian Grody wrote: Looks good Tim :-) On Tuesday 15 November 2011 20:49:43 Tim wrote: Testing to see if I can post yet. Sorry to bother anybody Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy, I saw Ian's reply and had an e-mail from fullcirclepodcast(?) to confirm the post had reached the list. I have checked my spam folder but that is empty, can any list admins check the mailing list please or offer a suggestion?? Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] test message
On 16 November 2011 07:54, Tim xendis...@gmail.com wrote: Well it my post may have appeared on the list but I never received a copy You did, but gmail hides your own mail until someone else replies to it. Which makes sense to me but irritates many people. Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
