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My next door neighbor just moved up there. Small world - Original Message - From: Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Hey, no shit... I just live a little north of you. I'm in Elk. Julian At 04:57 PM 8/17/2005, jeff.lane wrote: Spokane - Original Message - From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices You don't live in Washington do you? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/2005
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Crap, I'm moving to Seattle Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff.lane Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:57 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Spokane - Original Message - From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices You don't live in Washington do you? Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- BTW. Our new piece of crap Governor just signed a 9.5 cent increase in our state gas taxes..highest in the US..again! OH..$6.00 per carton increase for cigarettes, $6.00 per gallon booze, reinitiated the only estate taxes, and a whole lot more. We really need that right now!
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It's very beautiful out here and there is a lot to do on the West Side. 5 Million people living there. It is just the State Government has always ripped everyone off ever since I can remember, and that is a long time. You will enjoy your stay, though. Gas is 2.55-2.65 average so that is pretty much like everyone else. Way too much!!! Jeff - Original Message - From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Crap, I'm moving to Seattle Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff.lane Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:57 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Spokane - Original Message - From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices You don't live in Washington do you? Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- BTW. Our new piece of crap Governor just signed a 9.5 cent increase in our state gas taxes..highest in the US..again! OH..$6.00 per carton increase for cigarettes, $6.00 per gallon booze, reinitiated the only estate taxes, and a whole lot more. We really need that right now! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 8/17/2005
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You know, not all Westerners are stoopid! I love high gas prices and have waited decades to see them! The only way we can get off of the oil tit is to make alternative energy sources economical. Expensive gas in the short term is a definite hardship but cheap gas in the long term is a serious detriment to Western societies and will not drive efforts into producing new technologies which coincidentally create new jobs! As if that weren't reason enough, a significant portion of those oil dollars goes into procuring weapons that haters out there love to kill innocent people with! No offense to peace loving Arabs around the World and enjoy your Suburban's and Expedition's until we wean ourselves off your oil and you can't give it away! Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Gas prices expensive??? Here in Saudi Arabia the state price (i.e. nothing less or more than the state price is available at any gas station) is .90 halalas (cent equivalent of a riyal(dollar)) per liter. i.e 1 Gallon = 90 US cents. BWAHAHAHAH!!! Almost every car here in Saudi is a V6 or a V8!!! They love suburbans and expeditions here!!! On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: Our gas prices climbed $0.06 per litre yesterday, so we are at $4.27 US per gallon now. Just wondering what you're paying down in there. T
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We've been talking about fuel cells as in hydrogen powered fuel cells that only produce water as a waste by product which on paper looks great. Only in reality it doesn't work because there isn't a practical method of producing hydrogen in usable form and storing it in sufficient quantities to drive your auto a reasonable distance before having to refuel. How many days go by before we refuel with gasoline? One week? How would you like to stop at the hydrogen station everyday to fill up? Basically, hydrogen as a fuel for mobile vehicles sucks! Barring some major scientific breakthrough of course! jeff.lane wrote: Fuel cells are a very good alternative and should be practically available in the near future. Jeff - Original Message - From: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It cracked the water into hydrogen within the car itself. Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :( This doesn't make sense. It takes energy to split water into Oxygen and hydrogen. To then burn that hydrogen to power the car is just a waste of energy. Why not just use the energy used to crack the water to power the car? There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine =) Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #330: quantum decoherence
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Absolutely correct! Ethanol is another farm subsidy designed to give farmers another market for their huge overproduction of food. This idea only works with cheap oil and that clearly isn't going to be the case from now on! Expensive oil is here to stay and I say it's about time we got our energy house in order! We need more nuclear powered electrical production (pebble beds won't melt down) and the new coal scrubbing technology that gets the sulfur out of the emmisions which prevents acid rain, solar powered tax credits to drive new sun-powered tech, more wind power (despite aesthetic objections) like the off-shore wind farms that rich people have been fighting for years etc! We should have been preparing for this day 30 years ago and shame on us for not doing so when it would have been much less traumatic! Gary Udstrand wrote: Ethanol is a boondoggle. It has been demonstrated that it takes more fossil fuel is used to create Ethanol than it provides in return. Ethanol programs are nothing more that governments subsidies for ADM. -Gary jeff.lane said the following on 8/17/2005 3:43 PM: Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars, guys, we are getting screwed! The oil companies have been crying for years that oil prices are way behind inflation. I say, so what! I thought the idea was to keep inflation down in the first place. The Government needs to include fuel and food in the inflation indicators. Of course, if they do prime interest rates would be at 50% or more by now! We have plenty of alternatives to gas and batteryso why not use them? We all know why. I think if this keeps up, and I see no reason for it not too(with the oil companies' and Arab greedcan you say jihad in disguise), we will see a flood of small companies offering conversions to anything from chicken manure to corn flakes. BTW. Our new piece of crap Governor just signed a 9.5 cent increase in our state gas taxes..highest in the US..again! OH..$6.00 per carton increase for cigarettes, $6.00 per gallon booze, reinitiated the only estate taxes, and a whole lot more. We really need that right now! Sorryhad a senior moment and had to get that out. My fixed income will go up about $2.50 a month. Chris, you're rightI will not do math in class Jeff From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It cracked the water into hydrogen within the car itself. Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :( From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Aug 17 13:26:05 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:16 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting record profits. So I really wonder how much of this is an increase in oil price, and how much is just an excuse to charge more for gasoline. I look at it this way, assuming that a gas company wants to make 5% profit on every gallon of gas, it's in thier interest to have thier costs go up 5% because then thier profit goes up too. Instead of making 5cents on gas that costs them $1.00 to make they make 6 cents profit on gas that cost them $1.05 to make (Or similar, you get my point =) Also, the gas we have now was made with oil that cost $50/barrel instead of oil that cost $65/barrel, yet we're being charged the $65/barrel price! Christopher Fisk -- I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS Lisa Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF07
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Great idea! Unfortunately, all the oil in Alaska is only a few percent of the over 50% that we import. A better idea is to ban all incandescent lights for compact fluorescents which only use 1/4 the energy! There are many other simple methods that we could use to ease the energy crunch in the short term. I for one hope we employ everything at our disposal to ease and eventually eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. Ben Ruset wrote: Didn't drilling in Alaska just pass? I consider myself an environmentalist and I support drilling in Alaska. From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Aug 17 15:55:00 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to doanything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling inAlaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they cansquirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! :-} if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be aoil price war and prices may come down. BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up150% in a year bo haha At 01:17 PM 8/17/2005, Zulfiqar Naushad Poked the stick with: Gas prices expensive??? Here in Saudi Arabia the state price (i.e. nothing less or morethan the state price is available at any gas station) is .90 halalas(cent equivalent of a riyal(dollar)) per liter. i.e 1 Gallon = 90 US cents. BWAHAHAHAH!!! Almost every car here in Saudi is a V6 or a V8!!! They love suburbans and expeditions here!!! On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: Our gas prices climbed $0.06 perlitre yesterday, so we are at $4.27 US per gallon now. Just wondering what you're paying downin there. T -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- And all the children are above average in our system.
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Scientific rubbish and shame on them for even trying to sell us that snake oil. There is no such thing as cold fusion at least in this period of history. jeff.lane wrote: Like cold fusion? There were a couple of scientists, in Utah, several years ago that claimed they had made cold fusion work. That is clean, safe, perpetual, fusion .I don't recall their names but they had the scientific world standing on it's head for sometime until they discovered that it was not completely perfect, i.e., infinitely renewable. My question would be just how long did this run without renewal? After the idea of infinity went away nobody heard anything about these guys. If they had discovered pure cold fusion we could power a whole city in a clean reactor no bigger that a service station, if that big. The pellet to run a car thingall of it runs forever. Anybody think this won't or can't happen, or for that matter, may already be there??? Jeff - Original Message - From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices I was referring to fission technology (U235). Since fusion is years away. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 007 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:26 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:16 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting record profits. So I really wonder how much of this is an increase in oil price, and how much is just an excuse to charge more for gasoline. I look at it this way, assuming that a gas company wants to make 5% profit on every gallon of gas, it's in thier interest to have thier costs go up 5% because then thier profit goes up too. Instead of making 5cents on gas that costs them $1.00 to make they make 6 cents profit on gas that cost them $1.05 to make (Or similar, you get my point =) Also, the gas we have now was made with oil that cost $50/barrel instead of oil that cost $65/barrel, yet we're being charged the $65/barrel price! Christopher Fisk -- I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS Lisa Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF07
Re: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate)
Symantec sucks big time! Guess it's time to retire Sygate personal firewall. sigh James Maki wrote: (I corrected the subject line) I guess this will be the end of a free version of Sygate Personal Firewall and the beginning of the product being screwed up.. Has Symantec ever acquired any product and then made real improvements? (Norton, Central Point Software, Winfax, Ghost, etc.). Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *From:* Francisco Tapia http://www.technewsworld.com/story/sXQaBx5Sybx8rO/Symantec-Scoops-Up-Sygate-Technologies.xhtml I've been using Sygate for quite some time, and it's been an excellent product. I currently run the Pro version on my home system, and have found it to be a great value, This corp buy out leaves me wondering how well the next defenition files will be like, and what support might be like for the product. -- -Francisco No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.11/74 - Release Date: 8/17/2005
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DOE is run by polititions and you wonder why they're scientific morons? Bill Cohane wrote: At 17:00 08/17/05, jeff.lane wrote: Like cold fusion? There were a couple of scientists, in Utah, several years ago that claimed they had made cold fusion work. That is clean, safe, perpetual, fusion .I don't recall their names but they had the scientific world standing on it's head for sometime until they discovered that it was not completely perfect, i.e., infinitely renewable. My question would be just how long did this run without renewal? After the idea of infinity went away nobody heard anything about these guys. If they had discovered pure cold fusion we could power a whole city in a clean reactor no bigger that a service station, if that big. The pellet to run a car thingall of it runs forever. Anybody think this won't or can't happen, or for that matter, may already be there??? Most scientists consider Cold Fusion to have been a fiasco. Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann (the two Univ. of Utah Chemists who claimed to have first observed it) never could explain the physics behind their discovery. (Neutrons are always released by fusion reactions and none were ever detected with this so called cold fusion. In addition, most other scientists trying to verify the Univ. of Utah experiments failed to detect any energy release. The whole mess was probably due to the unreliability of closed calorimetry experiments.) So Physicists have pretty much debunked cold fusion. Interestingly, the DOE (Dept. of Energy) still occasionally gets suckered by cold fusion claims. These guys still seem willing to spend our tax dollars on research grants for things like perpetual motion machines, Kirlian photographs of the human aura, zero point energy, ball lightning, magnet therapy, etc. The most frequent warning sign of voodoo science is that claims are pitched directly to the media, like the way the two scientists from the Univ. of Utah released their results, instead of in scientific journals where they can be reviewed and tested by reputable scientists. That said, Cold Fusion still has believers, but not much confirmation. Regards, Bill
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$2.69.9 here in Peoria, IL. today. nobozoz wrote: As of this afternoon, LA, CA area average unleaded regular gas price is $2.77 per gal. _jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Quilhot Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:04 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Gas prices 2.799 Jackson, Michigan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Dodge Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Gas prices 2.53 here in Phoenix Mark Dodge MD Computers 602-421-0329 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:24 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Gas prices I paid $2.45US/gallon on Monday. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:15 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Gas prices Our gas prices climbed $0.06 per litre yesterday, so we are at $4.27 US per gallon now. Just wondering what you're paying down in there. T
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At 10:23 PM 17/08/2005, Al wrote: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad the US wouldn't kick the shit out of Saudi Arabia then, and get the price here down to a better level. You say that so nonchalantly, like the lives involved are worthless. I don't understand, I forgot the smiley. Sorry about that. I meant to be sarcastic. T
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...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil DOMESTICALLY, and the majority of the remainder comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela, we wouldn't need to replace 100% of our oil consumption with oil from the ANWR. Even if we only replaced 50% of are imported oil, that would merely double the six months to a year. But the point is that oil coming from Canada and Mexico (where most of our imports come from) isn't a problem. Venezuela has been ripe with issues lately, but even they aren't as bad the middle east. Hoping to get completely away from oil imports in the near term is unrealistic. When I was researching the issue back in spring of 2002, the figure that I heard was that ANWR oil could COMPLETELY REPLACE middle-eastern imports for a period of 30 years. I seriously doubt that. Remember the rest of Energy Secretary Abraham's quote: Americans should not overestimate this region's ability to provide the nation with energy independence Something I doubt he would say if the region could COMPLETELY REPLACE middle-eastern imports for a period of 30 years Drilling for oil in the ANWR would NOT significantly reduce our dependence on foreign countries for oil. Therefore, his statement is correct: it would not provide energy independence. However, it COULD dramatically reduce our dependence on *middle eastern* countries. Unless estimates of oil in the ANWR have significantly changed in the past few years, or our imports from the middle eastern regions have increased dramatically, I am absolutely positive that the 30 year figure is correct. That being said, I have mixed feelings on drilling in the ANWR. It would be 5-12 years before any useful oil came from it Not to mention that because it would involve drilling trough permafrost, it would be North of $80/barrel oil or more. That won't help us with the price at all. It wouldn't be near $80/barrel. Like I said, I did a lot of research on the ANWR in spring of 2002. At that time, with gas prices what they were then ($1.40?), there was still a lot of economically viable oil. With the price of oil triple what it was then, there's a lot more. But again, drilling in the ANWR isn't that great of an idea. Greg
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- Original Message - From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices There was a James Bond movie where they put some drug into gasoline then distilled the gasoline once it arrived at it's final destination. I wonder if that added horsepower but I would be afraid to put anything in gasoline these days for fear of running the liquid gold. ;-) People in warmer climates may have to take a closer look at converting gasoline engines to propane engines. I do not know how propane would act in zero degrees F. One of my former jobs was hauling propane, 9500 gallons per load on an 18 wheeler tanker truck. The internal pressure of the tank was close to double the air temperature outside of the tank. Examples: If it was 30 degrees F on the outside the internal pressure was 60 pounds per square inch. If it was 90 degrees F on the outside the internal pressure was 180 pounds per square inch. This may be one reason that propane is not a popular fuel for heating or transportation in cold climates. The price of propane vs. fuel oil may be the main reason that propane is not used in colder climates. In our South Georgia area propane is popular for home heating, water heating and cooking fuel. Propane was more economical than electricity a few decades ago. Now electricity is more of a bargain since propane prices rise along with the price of gasoline and diesel fuel. A total electric home may be economical here in a warmer climate but more expensive than fuel oil in a colder climate. Although high, the price of electricity is more stable than the price of liquid fuels. Our average here in Albany, GA is around 8.5 cents per kilowatt hour during the 4 months we are on a Summer rate and lower the other 8 months. It did not jump 25% like gasoline did or it would be over 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour now. We use over 3000 kilowatt hours per month in the hot Summer months for our 1568 square feet home. Try that if you are on ConEdison in New York and you would have to mortgage the home to pay the bill. Chuck
Re: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate)
- Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate) Symantec sucks big time! Guess it's time to retire Sygate personal firewall. sigh Have they continued research and development on any software they bought out, such as Partition Magic 8.0? I hate to see good products bought out and ignored, thus making them useless, eventually, if not within a year or so. Chuck
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- Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices DOE is run by polititions and you wonder why they're scientific morons? Nice to know none or any of their families have vested interest in major oil companies or contractors such as Halliburton. Chuck
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GM took out the rail road tracks from the streets of Los Angeles in the 50's. XXX corporation(s) took out the validity of the Utah experiment in the 90's. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jeff.lane Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:00 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices Like cold fusion? There were a couple of scientists, in Utah, several years ago that claimed they had made cold fusion work. That is clean, safe, perpetual, fusion .I don't recall their names but they had the scientific world standing on it's head for sometime until they discovered that it was not completely perfect, i.e., infinitely renewable. My question would be just how long did this run without renewal? After the idea of infinity went away nobody heard anything about these guys. If they had discovered pure cold fusion we could power a whole city in a clean reactor no bigger that a service station, if that big. The pellet to run a car thingall of it runs forever. Anybody think this won't or can't happen, or for that matter, may already be there??? Jeff - Original Message - From: 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices I was referring to fission technology (U235). Since fusion is years away. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 007 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:26 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water. 007. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:16 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting record profits. So I really wonder how much of this is an increase in oil price, and how much is just an excuse to charge more for gasoline. I look at it this way, assuming that a gas company wants to make 5% profit on every gallon of gas, it's in thier interest to have thier costs go up 5% because then thier profit goes up too. Instead of making 5cents on gas that costs them $1.00 to make they make 6 cents profit on gas that cost them $1.05 to make (Or similar, you get my point =) Also, the gas we have now was made with oil that cost $50/barrel instead of oil that cost $65/barrel, yet we're being charged the $65/barrel price! Christopher Fisk -- I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS Lisa Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF07
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Realize also, a big chunk of the use of oil in the US doesn't go for car gas.. more like machinery upkeep, that thing called plastic, airlines, etc. I do believe heavily in nuclear power. For others, hell, break out biodiesel ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:43 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices of the over 50% that we import. A better idea is to ban all incandescent lights for compact fluorescents which only use 1/4 the energy! There are I thought LED's had beat out fluorescents on efficiency. Correct me if I am wrong. Many people died at a major intersection close to my house. People ran red lights at this intersection because they were speeding and approached the intersection far too fast for conditions. They did not realize the red light was there until it was too late. Flashing caution lights to warn of a traffic light ahead were installed several years ago. This slowed down the collisions (people call them accidents, but rarely is a collision an accident, but the results of negligence and easily preventable) at that dangerous intersection. Recently they installed LED traffic lights there. Now the flashing caution lights on approach are useless (except in fog) because the traffic light can be seen brightly for miles against any background. The point here is the LED's are at least 10 times as bright as the lights they replaced and my guess is they use 10% or less energy to operate. LED traffic lights do not turn (you can see regular bulbs dim as they go off and brighten as they come on). LED traffic lights snap (quick change) and that, in itself gets your attention even if you are 2 miles away! I hope LED's are applicable to most all lighting applications, especially street lights, where energy consumption is a major factor in where street lights are installed. Please do not laugh at me if all of your traffic lights are LED's. We are still in the stone age here in Albany, GA and only about 15% of our traffic lights are LED's. I recently had an LED brake light installed on my motorcycle for safety purposes. Chuck
RE: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate)
Exactly. Ghost stayed the same product for -years- with seemingly no research until they bought out Powerquest and ghost became Drive Image 7. (basically the exact same product). This seems to be their MO. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:45 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate) - Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [H] Sygate scoops up Sygate... (Symantec scoops up Sygate) Symantec sucks big time! Guess it's time to retire Sygate personal firewall. sigh Have they continued research and development on any software they bought out, such as Partition Magic 8.0? I hate to see good products bought out and ignored, thus making them useless, eventually, if not within a year or so. Chuck
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- Original Message - From: Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices lately, but even they aren't as bad the middle east. Hoping to get completely away from oil imports in the near term is unrealistic. Hoping to get away from high prices for fuel is unrealistic, also, no matter where the energy comes from. Prices are supply and demand driven. Any decrease in price caused by an increase in supply is offset by an increase in demand. Example: A cheapskate who has plenty of discretionary income has cut his gasoline consumption from 100 gallons per week to 50 gallons per week because prices went up and supply went down. Note that his 100 gallons per week habit caused prices to go up. Once he sees lower prices he goes right back to using 100 gallons per week, thus fueling the vicious cycle. No increase in supply from new drilling areas or any new source can lower prices for long as those who have a choice will choose to use more and soak up all of the increase in supply. Discretionary is when a cheapskate goes boating with a friend who owns a speedboat and hands him $5.00 to defray the cost of his gasoline while the others hand him twenty dollar bills which is realistic. He did not have to take the boat out, but if he commutes to work in his car he did have to buy his automobile fuel. Boating is discretionary but transportation to and from work is not. Stupid sign in the restroom in a public building (lots of people work there and visit there on business) Turn off the lights upon leaving. Conserve energy. I wonder how much energy it takes to start up all those fluorescent lights in there! If you maintain a public restroom, conserve the quality of the air! Install auto flushers on all of the urinals. Don't worry about the lights! My guess is: Incandescent lights. Turn these off if you do not need them for 30 minutes or longer. Fluorescent lights. Turn these off if you do not need them for an hour or longer. Chuck
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Canadian entrepenuers have found a much more efficient way to extract pure crude from oil sands (basically black sand/oil mixture that has proved futile and too costly to extract in the past). http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:TNFRzt0NrMoJ:news.yahoo.com/s/thedeal/20050808/bs_deal_thedeal/canadasoilsandsmaysparkfrenzy+canada+oil+sandhl=en From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:03:59 -0700 hope so, especially since Canada is drilling not far from where we want to drill. but that is only a beginning, lot more to do. I suspect the Caribou population may double. fp At 01:58 PM 8/17/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Didn't drilling in Alaska just pass? I consider myself an environmentalist and I support drilling in Alaska. From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Aug 17 15:55:00 CDT 2005 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to doanything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling inAlaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they cansquirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! :-} if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be aoil price war and prices may come down. BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up150% in a year bo haha At 01:17 PM 8/17/2005, Zulfiqar Naushad Poked the stick with: Gas prices expensive??? Here in Saudi Arabia the state price (i.e. nothing less or morethan the state price is available at any gas station) is .90 halalas(cent equivalent of a riyal(dollar)) per liter. i.e 1 Gallon = 90 US cents. BWAHAHAHAH!!! Almost every car here in Saudi is a V6 or a V8!!! They love suburbans and expeditions here!!! On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: Our gas prices climbed $0.06 perlitre yesterday, so we are at $4.27 US per gallon now. Just wondering what you're paying downin there. T -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- And all the children are above average in our system. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- And all the children are above average in our system.
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One big thing that could have helped decrease our need for oil was not in the energy bill, increased fuel efficienct standards (CAFE). But it did include an extension of a provison that extends how long automakers receive fuel economy credits so a way to keep the weak CAFE standards even weaker. As to ANWR: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/25/AR2005072501707_2.html Bush has pushed to open Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling, to tap what geologists say is one of the few remaining areas of the country that hold promise for major new production. Without that new drilling, net oil imports would be 68 percent in 2025, according to the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration. With drilling in the refuge, net oil imports would account for 64 percent of consumption in 2025, according to the EIA. The middle east only accounts for 4% or our oil? I think not. May 2005, oild imports per day from the middle east were 2,355,000 barrels (1,526,000 from Suadi Arabia) verses 13,495,000 barrels imported in total. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/petroleum_supply_monthly/current/pdf/table37.pdf (and that only counts Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates. as part of the middle east) Going by: http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm ANWR can only produce 1,400,000 barrels a day, otherwise known as way less then our middle east imports. - Original Message - From: Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices ...but given that we produce something like ~40% of our oil DOMESTICALLY, and the majority of the remainder comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela, we wouldn't need to replace 100% of our oil consumption with oil from the ANWR. Even if we only replaced 50% of are imported oil, that would merely double the six months to a year. Drilling for oil in the ANWR would NOT significantly reduce our dependence on foreign countries for oil. Therefore, his statement is correct: it would not provide energy independence. However, it COULD dramatically reduce our dependence on *middle eastern* countries. Unless estimates of oil in the ANWR have significantly changed in the past few years, or our imports from the middle eastern regions have increased dramatically, I am absolutely positive that the 30 year figure is correct. That being said, I have mixed feelings on drilling in the ANWR. It would be 5-12 years before any useful oil came from it Not to mention that because it would involve drilling trough permafrost, it would be North of $80/barrel oil or more. That won't help us with the price at all. It wouldn't be near $80/barrel. Like I said, I did a lot of research on the ANWR in spring of 2002. At that time, with gas prices what they were then ($1.40?), there was still a lot of economically viable oil. With the price of oil triple what it was then, there's a lot more. But again, drilling in the ANWR isn't that great of an idea. Greg
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Foreign Affairs magazine from a couple of years ago theorized that if the fed's had kept up the level of energy conservation RD funding as was spent from the early 70s to the early 80s we wouldn't have to worry about foreign at all by the late 90s, unfortunately by late 80s most of the big federal money go to that type of RD(energy conservation) dried up. Same article I believe dug up some research done by oil companies and even they figured that ANWR production would not be profitable unless prices went up to $50/barrel. Just curious how things work out. On 8/18/05, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoping to get away from high prices for fuel is unrealistic, also, no matter where the energy comes from. Prices are supply and demand driven. Any decrease in price caused by an increase in supply is offset by an increase in demand. In the case of oil, prices have recently been driven NOT by supply and demand, but by the fears of supply and demand. Easily 50% of the cost of oil today is a premium built not on actual supply or demand, but mere speculation and the fear of supply disruptions. Currently, there is plenty of supply to meet demand, but the margin is slim. Economics 101 doesn't (directly) apply here. Greg -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
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Going by: http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm ANWR can only produce 1,400,000 barrels a day, otherwise known as way less then our middle east imports. I very strongly suspect that the 1.4mbpd figure is an economically viable figure. Given that oil prices have more than doubled since the release date of that document (March of 2003), I would expect there is more than 1.4mbpd of economically viable oil today. Additionally, it is very difficult to be sure how much oil is really there. Measuring expeditions have been limited, and the figures vary wildly among the estimates that have been taken. I will say, however, that I recall the 30 year replacement of all middle east oil being an optimistic figure. Greg
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- Original Message - From: Stan Zaske [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices How would you like to stop at the hydrogen station everyday to fill up? Basically, hydrogen as a fuel for mobile vehicles sucks! Barring some major scientific breakthrough of course! If battery operated vehicles could be clean (no smelly and corrosive battery acid boiling out that makes you placard your car as a hazardous materials vehicle) what would be wrong with owing an electric car for a intra city commuter vehicle? You leave in the morning and drive within its range of from 50 to 100 miles. When you return home you plug it in so it can recharge overnight. If living like your ancestors did (staying home at night instead of in the street) cramps your style, then keep your gas guzzler. I am not saying that headlights are not efficient enough for electric cars. You just have to give your electric car some time at home to recharge. This is not conducive to many people's lifestyles. Chuck
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There is a small degree of increased performance in modern standard manufacturer's vehicles when it comes to using premium fuel. Not to the extent that I would say it is significant but enough to notice a little more pep. Reason being, the higher octane means more resistance to detonation as you said. As a result, the knock sensor factory-standard ECU's utilise picks up less knocking which means less retard of the ignition timing which means more efficient burn and therefore a bit more bang for the buck. Retarding does prevent pre-detonation to a point. If it didn't, the manufacturers wouldn't go to all the trouble of spending so many dollars on research to pick the right sound for the knock sensor to depend on to minimise the pinging. Of course, there's only so much you can do before you retard is so much that you end up fouling the spark plugs and worse yet, the EGO sensor. So to say that it does not result in more horsepower is wrong. To say that it only results in a small and almost insignificant amount of horsepower due to a more advanced ignition timing is true. I strictly use premium because I drive a turbocharged Maxima at 8.5:1 compression so I need a turbo-friendly fuel for the task otherwise I would have to retard the ignition timing and dump more fuel in my MoTeC mapping which would definitely rob me of horsepower and waste fuel. Adios, Tony --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Udstrand Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 3:52 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices Higher octane needs usually result from higher compression in performance engines. This higher compression can result in the fuel igniting (in the absence of a spark from the plug) before the piston reaches TDC (well, actually the engine should fire prior to TDC. It is just firing earlier than it should in the process). Retarding the timing will do nothing to prevent pre-detonation (pinging) in that case. Also, higher octane does *not* result in more horsepower. Octane represents the resistance of the gas to detonation, the higher the octane the more resistant the fuel is to detonation. It does not have more stored energy.
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Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War on Terror. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the people above them pulling the strings. Adios, Tony --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they can squirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! :-} if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be a oil price war and prices may come down. BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up 150% in a year bo haha
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Hoping to get away from high prices for fuel is unrealistic, also, no matter where the energy comes from. Prices are supply and demand driven. Any decrease in price caused by an increase in supply is offset by an increase in demand. In the case of oil, prices have recently been driven NOT by supply and demand, but by the fears of supply and demand. Easily 50% of the cost of oil today is a premium built not on actual supply or demand, but mere speculation and the fear of supply disruptions. Currently, there is plenty of supply to meet demand, but the margin is slim. Economics 101 doesn't (directly) apply here. Greg
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Eli Allen wrote: Nuclear isn't that good. Its non renewable so won't last very long. I guess very long is subjective. http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/cohen.html 2.5 billion years or so worth of Uranium according to that study. Basically, using heavy water reactors isn't a very efficient way of using uranium. If we switched to breeder reactors (not liked because it produces weapons grade plutonium) we would get more power and longer lasting uranium. We can also use Thrium, plutonium, etc for power generation. Nuclear may no last forever but neither will fusion (the sun will burn out a few billion years). Not nearly as soon as oil though. Christopher Fisk -- Professor: While you were gone the Trotters held a news conference to announce that I was a jive sucker.
[H] RAID questions
Well after my latest HD failure I have decided it is best to pursue a RAID solution. I have 3 250 GB SATA 150 drives that I would like to start the array with and will probably be adding a couple more later. Right now the array will be going into a Athlon system with a nForce 2 mobo but soon ( 6 months) I will be moving to a newer 64 bit system with PCI-X slots. I would like to get a RAID card that supports both the older 33/66 PCI standard and the new PCI-X. I will be booting the OS off a separate, single drive and using the RAID array for dta storage and media playback. I don't really need a hardcore, heavy duty server-quality RAID card but I am looking for something pretty decent. 1) Any recommendations out there for cards? I was looking at the Highpoint RocketRaid ones and was fairly impressed. Any major differences between Highpoint, 3Ware, and Promise? 2) This array is going to be attached to a HTPC but I have not decided on the OS I will be using. Anything out there that supports Wintel, OSX, and Linux? Anyone know about RAID compatibilit with Knoppix or Mythpc? 3) Do I have to start with a set of blank drives? Right now 1 of the 3 drives has about 200GB of data on it which would not be easy to backup and get off the drive. 4) Do all the drives in the array have to be of the same size? -- Brian
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1) Any recommendations out there for cards? I was looking at the Highpoint RocketRaid ones and was fairly impressed. Any major differences between Highpoint, 3Ware, and Promise? I would stay away from both 3ware and Promise. You might look at Broadcom adapters...they seem to have very good RAID5 write performance, and are at a good pricepoint. 2) This array is going to be attached to a HTPC but I have not decided on the OS I will be using. Anything out there that supports Wintel, OSX, and Linux? Anyone know about RAID compatibilit with Knoppix or Mythpc? 3) Do I have to start with a set of blank drives? Right now 1 of the 3 drives has about 200GB of data on it which would not be easy to backup and get off the drive. Yes, all drives will be wiped when you init the array. You'll need to get the data off first. 4) Do all the drives in the array have to be of the same size? No, but the array will be configured around the size of the smallest drive. IE: a RAID5 array of a 40, 120, and 300GB drive would only be 80GB usable (plus 40GB for parity). Greg
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 3:17, Stan Zaske wrote: A better idea is to ban all incandescent lights for compact fluorescents which only use 1/4 the energy! Now that you mention it, there was a study published by the Rocky Mountain Institute (http://www.rmi.org/) a while back, when the electric utility in Colorado had submitted plans to build a new electric power generating plant, that showed that if the utility bought CF lights,and passed them out for free to all of their customers to replace all the incandescent lights in their homes, it would save MORE electricity than the new plant they were planning on constructing would generate operating at full capacity, and save them the tens of millions of dollars of the cost of the construction of the new plant. Amazing. Vince
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You Aussies get nicer cars, I believe the WRX sold in australia has much more aggressive tuning than the one in the US because of the availability of higer octane gas and less onerous polution laws, hardware wise the the US model gets a cat pre turbo other than that the only diff is the tune..and the japan/australian model generates 25 to 35 more hp On 8/18/05, Tony Antoniou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only one problem with ethanol ... crap energy density compared to petroleum. I'm sticking to Shell Optimax premium fuel thanks to its turbo friendly additives. Besides which, our cars here in Australia at least can't handle anything more than 10% ethanol in our petrol as it results in engine and fuel system damage. It has been documented for some time here. I'd like to see how your cars can survive on ethanol yet ours suffer. Must be something in the engineering of the engines and fuel systems that the ethanol otherwise attacks in our systems. Adios, Tony --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeff.lane Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:44 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars, guys, we are getting screwed! The oil companies have been crying for years that oil prices are way behind inflation. I say, so what! I thought the idea was to keep inflation down in the first place. The Government needs to include fuel and food in the inflation indicators. Of course, if they do prime interest rates would be at 50% or more by now! -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 7:04, Greg Sevart wrote: It wouldn't be near $80/barrel. I had seen testimony from oil drilling firms who stated that because of the difficulty of drilling through permafrost, only having seasonal access (because they can't drive the big rigs over it during the thaw months), and all the extra safeguards to prevent oil spilling in a wildlife protected area, the cost per barrel would be over $80. I assumed they knew of what they spoke. Vince
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 13:06, Hayes Elkins wrote: Why would a power company who's end goal is to make money want to cripple their revenue stream by making homes super efficient? I see short term cost savings in this example but I fear there is really no incentive for power companies to encourage energy savings. Because some power companies are 'Green'. In many parts of the country you can purchase power from wind, hydro, and other alternative sources. Vince
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That's interesting...because they're already doing it in parts of Alaska not in the ANWR, using eco-friendly slimhole techniques, at a cost of FAR less than $80/barrel. I call BS (on whomever originally claimed it would cost that much). Greg - Original Message - From: Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices On 18 Aug 2005 at 7:04, Greg Sevart wrote: It wouldn't be near $80/barrel. I had seen testimony from oil drilling firms who stated that because of the difficulty of drilling through permafrost, only having seasonal access (because they can't drive the big rigs over it during the thaw months), and all the extra safeguards to prevent oil spilling in a wildlife protected area, the cost per barrel would be over $80. I assumed they knew of what they spoke. Vince
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On 18 Aug 2005 at 8:20, Greg Sevart wrote: In the case of oil, prices have recently been driven NOT by supply and demand, but by the fears of supply and demand. Easily 50% of the cost of oil today is a premium built not on actual supply or demand, but mere speculation and the fear of supply disruptions. Currently, there is plenty of supply to meet demand, but the margin is slim. Economics 101 doesn't (directly) apply here. Agreed. Same with gasoline prices. The last time that gasoline prices spiked like this was in the Summer of 2000. The price only spiked to around $2.00/gallon, but from a much lower base price. We heard the EXACT same tired old excuses back then that were hearing now. That demand was high, that there was a shortage, that there wasnt enough refining capacity, that refineries had closed down for maintenance/weather/fire, that the EPA requirements of 40 different blends was the problem. In the subsequent quarter, the oil companies and refining companies reported MASSIVE profits. Exxon Mobil's operating income was up 89%, BP Amoco's operating income rose nearly 93% and Texaco's operating income increased by 127%. Refiners also cleaned up: Diamond Shamrock saw earnings increase 310% and Sunoco saw earnings increase by 743%. This sparked an investigation by the Federal Trade Commission, which concluded that the spike in gasoline prices was caused by refiners, WHO HAD ILLEGALLY WITHHELD GASOLINE FROM THE MARKET TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS. All the other excuses had been fraudulently manufactured and propagandized. Too bad there are no regulatory cops on the beat with this administration. Vince
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On 19 Aug 2005 at 0:12, Tony Antoniou wrote: Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War on Terror. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the people above them pulling the strings. In October of 1996, Dick Cheney, who was then a member of Congress from Wyoming, said: Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States Vince
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Additionally, the less load on their system, the more customers they can service with their existing infrastructure. From: Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 18 13:14:24 CDT 2005 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices On 18 Aug 2005 at 13:06, Hayes Elkins wrote: Why would a power company who's end goal is to make money want to cripple their revenue stream by making homes super efficient? I see short term cost savings in this example but I fear there is really no incentive for power companies to encourage energy savings. Because some power companies are 'Green'. In many parts of the country you can purchase power from wind, hydro, and other alternative sources. Vince
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It's been pretty good for Exxon, Getty, Shell, etc. From: Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 18 13:29:59 CDT 2005 To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Gas prices On 19 Aug 2005 at 0:12, Tony Antoniou wrote: Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War on Terror. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the people above them pulling the strings. In October of 1996, Dick Cheney, who was then a member of Congress from Wyoming, said: ?Let us rid ourselves of the fiction that low oil prices are somehow good for the United States? Vince
Re: [H] RAID questions
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Brian Weeden wrote: Well after my latest HD failure I have decided it is best to pursue a RAID solution. I have 3 250 GB SATA 150 drives that I would like to start the array with and will probably be adding a couple more later. Right now the array will be going into a Athlon system with a nForce 2 mobo but soon ( 6 months) I will be moving to a newer 64 bit system with PCI-X slots. I would like to get a RAID card that supports both the older 33/66 PCI standard and the new PCI-X. I will be booting the OS off a separate, single drive and using the RAID array for dta storage and media playback. I don't really need a hardcore, heavy duty server-quality RAID card but I am looking for something pretty decent. 1) Any recommendations out there for cards? I was looking at the Highpoint RocketRaid ones and was fairly impressed. Any major differences between Highpoint, 3Ware, and Promise? Make sure you get a true hardware raid as opposed to a software assisted raid. Quite a few SATA raid cards aren't true hardware raid. This of course depends on your preferance. http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html A raid card I really like is in the Adaptec AAC-RAID family. it's true hardware raid, so you don't need to worry about using any extra CPU power. It's a couple hundred dollars tho. Christopher Fisk -- Fry: Leela, there's nothing wrong with anything.
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3) Do I have to start with a set of blank drives? Right now 1 of the 3 drives has about 200GB of data on it which would not be easy to backup and get off the drive. I'm pretty sure I've seen RAID cards that can do online expansion of their raid volumes. If you decide on one that can do this then get a fourth 250gig disk so you have a 3 disk RAID 5 set, copy all your data onto it then either keep the fourth drive as a spare or combine it into the volume :)
[H] w2k problem
have a w2k box that is erroring on boot ( some kernel not found or what not. no current repair disk and the cd can not find the OS, even though the console can ( has been a problem in the past with w2k) have ran chkdsk /r twice which has worked in the past with no luck, also the normal fixboot and fixmbr. anyway to force the repair process to see the darn %systemroot% ? right now leaning towards wipe and re install, his data is backed up to another drive. shame upgrade can not be done from boot. :'( thanks fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You are always entitled to your own stupid opinion.
[H] Speakers?
I need speakers for my new PC. The Logitech speakers used to be popular, are they still the ones to get? Thanks -- -Gary
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Scanned for ZOTAB? wintbp.exe FORC5 wrote: have a w2k box that is erroring on boot ( some kernel not found or what not. no current repair disk and the cd can not find the OS, even though the console can ( has been a problem in the past with w2k) have ran chkdsk /r twice which has worked in the past with no luck, also the normal fixboot and fixmbr. anyway to force the repair process to see the darn %systemroot% ? right now leaning towards wipe and re install, his data is backed up to another drive. shame upgrade can not be done from boot. :'( thanks fp -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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can not get in to do that unless I slave it in another box ( doable) and I ( shame on me ) have never gotten around to making a pe disk. fp thanks At 01:59 PM 8/18/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with: Scanned for ZOTAB? wintbp.exe FORC5 wrote: have a w2k box that is erroring on boot ( some kernel not found or what not. no current repair disk and the cd can not find the OS, even though the console can ( has been a problem in the past with w2k) have ran chkdsk /r twice which has worked in the past with no luck, also the normal fixboot and fixmbr. anyway to force the repair process to see the darn %systemroot% ? right now leaning towards wipe and re install, his data is backed up to another drive. shame upgrade can not be done from boot. :'( thanks fp -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Organic: Church music.
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So what's the reason for this increase now? Someone has to be saying something. I don't watch the news because I don't want to get put on Wellbutrin or other widespread happy pills / anti-depressants. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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Here are the reasons in order: Death of Saudi Arabian royalty. Fire in a second tier refinery in Illinois.. Which has mostly led to rampant stock market speculation which continues to drive the crude oil price up, up, up. A lot of what is driving it up is sheer speculation of the markets, not much else. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeuser Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:34 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices So what's the reason for this increase now? Someone has to be saying something. I don't watch the news because I don't want to get put on Wellbutrin or other widespread happy pills / anti-depressants. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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ZOTAB is a problem and could be yours. I'd slave it and scan. Wouldn't that be easier then wiping and installing? If it was the problem? If that didn't work and the drive *is* reliable - you can always see if the Win2K disc you have can repair it. FORC5 wrote: can not get in to do that unless I slave it in another box ( doable) and I ( shame on me ) have never gotten around to making a pe disk. fp thanks At 01:59 PM 8/18/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with: Scanned for ZOTAB? wintbp.exe FORC5 wrote: have a w2k box that is erroring on boot ( some kernel not found or what not. no current repair disk and the cd can not find the OS, even though the console can ( has been a problem in the past with w2k) have ran chkdsk /r twice which has worked in the past with no luck, also the normal fixboot and fixmbr. anyway to force the repair process to see the darn %systemroot% ? right now leaning towards wipe and re install, his data is backed up to another drive. shame upgrade can not be done from boot. :'( thanks fp -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Organic: Church music. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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Ah crap. Hype is driving the prices up. Figures. Thanks. Chris Reeves wrote: Here are the reasons in order: Death of Saudi Arabian royalty. Fire in a second tier refinery in Illinois.. Which has mostly led to rampant stock market speculation which continues to drive the crude oil price up, up, up. A lot of what is driving it up is sheer speculation of the markets, not much else. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
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until the hole is drilled nobody can predict anything, only guess. What's Canada getting out of there. besides there is still the Gulf once we can deep drill, larger reserves than middle east. At 06:17 AM 8/18/2005, Eli Allen Poked the stick with: Going by: http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm ANWR can only produce 1,400,000 barrels a day, otherwise known as way less then our middle east imports. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't.
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bla bla bla At 07:12 AM 8/18/2005, Tony Antoniou Poked the stick with: Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his War on Terror. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the people above them pulling the strings. Adios, Tony --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they can squirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! :-} if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be a oil price war and prices may come down. BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up 150% in a year bo haha -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't.
Re: [H] w2k problem
plan on doing just that, went there today and worked on it but am waiting for him to drop it off now. current repair disk would repair it but I am afraid the proggies would be messed up ( happened once b4 ) I wonder if the repair disk can be edited not to restore the registry just find the %systemroot% fp At 03:48 PM 8/18/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with: ZOTAB is a problem and could be yours. I'd slave it and scan. Wouldn't that be easier then wiping and installing? If it was the problem? If that didn't work and the drive *is* reliable - you can always see if the Win2K disc you have can repair it. FORC5 wrote: can not get in to do that unless I slave it in another box ( doable) and I ( shame on me ) have never gotten around to making a pe disk. fp thanks At 01:59 PM 8/18/2005, joeuser Poked the stick with: Scanned for ZOTAB? wintbp.exe FORC5 wrote: have a w2k box that is erroring on boot ( some kernel not found or what not. no current repair disk and the cd can not find the OS, even though the console can ( has been a problem in the past with w2k) have ran chkdsk /r twice which has worked in the past with no luck, also the normal fixboot and fixmbr. anyway to force the repair process to see the darn %systemroot% ? right now leaning towards wipe and re install, his data is backed up to another drive. shame upgrade can not be done from boot. :'( thanks fp -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)-- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Organic: Church music. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't.
[H] sapo ?
http://www.nicolaworthington.com/My%20Videos/silly/sapo.swf I beat this once but for the life of me kicking me again any clues appreciated fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't.
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http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/FAQ.shtml#High http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12418111.htm Q. Why did oil prices rise so fast? A. The price of crude oil jumped dramatically in recent weeks in part because of heightened fears of shortages. Oil traders are particularly nervous about forecasts of a busier than usual hurricane season. Hurricanes disrupt deliveries by oil tankers and can halt production at offshore rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. They also threaten refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast. Other factors included temporary shutdowns at some U.S. refineries and U.S. government warnings of possible terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil producer. Q. Aren't oil cartels to blame for the high prices? A. Today's high prices are driven by demand, not supplier-imposed shortages as in the 1970s and `80s. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries says its members are pumping oil at almost full throttle and that developed nations should build more refineries. Refineries are working at near capacity and can't keep pace. -Gary Chris Reeves said the following on 8/18/2005 5:38 PM: Here are the reasons in order: Death of Saudi Arabian royalty. Fire in a second tier refinery in Illinois.. Which has mostly led to rampant stock market speculation which continues to drive the crude oil price up, up, up. A lot of what is driving it up is sheer speculation of the markets, not much else. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeuser Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:34 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices So what's the reason for this increase now? Someone has to be saying something. I don't watch the news because I don't want to get put on Wellbutrin or other widespread happy pills / anti-depressants.
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Sorry, you could not be more wrong. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good tirade. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/FAQ.shtml#High http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12418111.htm -Gary Tony Antoniou said the following on 8/18/2005 9:12 AM: Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his “War on Terror”. Sorry to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the people above them pulling the strings. Adios, Tony --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *FORC5 *Sent:* Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55 *To:* The Hardware List *Subject:* Re: [H] Gas prices PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska. me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they can squirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! :-} if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be a oil price war and prices may come down. BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up 150% in a year bo haha
RE: [H] sapo ?
ok, name the frogs from left to right: 1 2 3 A B C 1, 2 and 3 are the green frogs L to R and A, B and C are the brown frogs L to R. click on them in this order: A - 3 - 2 - A - B - C - 3 - 2 - 1 - A - B - C - 2 - 1 - C That should do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] sapo ? http://www.nicolaworthington.com/My%20Videos/silly/sapo.swf I beat this once but for the life of me kicking me again any clues appreciated fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't.
RE: [H] sapo ?
thanks, was kicking my butt, again and I knew I had figured it out once upon a time fp At 08:49 PM 8/18/2005, Veech Poked the stick with: ok, name the frogs from left to right: 1 2 3 A B C 1, 2 and 3 are the green frogs L to R and A, B and C are the brown frogs L to R. click on them in this order: A - 3 - 2 - A - B - C - 3 - 2 - 1 - A - B - C - 2 - 1 - C That should do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] sapo ? http://www.nicolaworthington.com/My%20Videos/silly/sapo.swf I beat this once but for the life of me kicking me again any clues appreciated fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The good old days: Beer foamed and dishwater didn't. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Vote anarchist.
