RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
so I'm guessing the Mom has lost control and stay off the puter or I break your fingers doesn't work like at my house. >:-} winkey would work when the other accounts were deleted. ( good threat anyway ) around here at least my kid knows I know more then him, keeps him inline. good boy. most parents these days that is not the case unfortunately. fp At 06:40 AM 8/12/2006, Chris Reeves Poked the stick with: >I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. > >Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to >get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the >kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing >games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that >they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this >request a lot. > >Putting a Win-L keylock on it is a "eh" solution, because a hard reset and >them logging into another account gets around that every time. The kids all >have their own logins so they can install software, etc. > >Limited accounts is something that has some functionality; but it doesn't >stop people from actually using a PC to begin with. Which is the whole >point. A keylock used to prevent people from even booting. > >Since their PC is all SATA, I'm really thinking that the removable tray is >going to be the best option. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 8:26 AM >To: The Hardware List >Subject: Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" > >password protection not a option ? winkey and L will lock it down when >running and have set to log on so reset is not a work around. > >I did this for a while with my young one. :-D > >I also have drive trays but only remove them when going out of town. Had a >customer destroy several drives swapping them HOT. >fp >At 04:13 AM 8/12/2006, Chris Reeves Poked the stick with: >>I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would >have been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. >cannot use it without them getting the say so. In the not-so-distant past, >PCs had little keylockson them, and when they were in the lock >position, they wouldnt take keyboard input, etc. >> >>Now, I cant find a board or a case that has those kind of functions. So, >Im looking for something like a USB Dongle or anything that would >accomplish this. >> >>Anyone have recommendations? > >-- >Tallyho ! ]:8) >Taglines below ! >-- >A well-written life is as rare as a well-spent one. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The true test of giving is when it has no benefit to yourself.
RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
How about forcing loggining into the computer to require a smart card by using this functionality: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=834875 The kids know their own password but need the card to login which you only give them when you want to. Eli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 9:41 AM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this request a lot. Putting a Win-L keylock on it is a "eh" solution, because a hard reset and them logging into another account gets around that every time. The kids all have their own logins so they can install software, etc. Limited accounts is something that has some functionality; but it doesn't stop people from actually using a PC to begin with. Which is the whole point. A keylock used to prevent people from even booting. Since their PC is all SATA, I'm really thinking that the removable tray is going to be the best option.
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
Problem is then she has to get up and type it in, or else she gives the kids the password... I personally think the physical key idea is good. Instead of cutting the case, put the key in a "drive blank" panel. Put it between the power button and the motherboard. This of course would only keep the system from booting up, and would not keep it from being left on. http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/KSW-41/search/3-POSITION_KEYSWITCH_.html http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/KSW-1050/search/ON-OFF_KEYSWITCH_.html Harry Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:40 AM 12/08/2006, Chris Reeves wrote: Putting a Win-L keylock on it is a "eh" solution, because a hard reset and them logging into another account gets around that every time. The kids all have their own logins so they can install software, etc. Put a password on the CMOS. T
RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
At 10:40 AM 12/08/2006, Chris Reeves wrote: Putting a Win-L keylock on it is a "eh" solution, because a hard reset and them logging into another account gets around that every time. The kids all have their own logins so they can install software, etc. Put a password on the CMOS. T
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
Been Googlin' and this one looks pretty slick for 29 bucks. Turns any USB drive into a lock. Your user just pulls the USB drive out and the computer locks itself and the kids can't use it without mom giving them the drive. :) http://www.palcott.com/index.php >>The Sakaar one is a total piece of shit. Pardon my French. But the thing >>does not function at all. I've got one sitting on my desk right now. Put >>it in a USB port: spontaneous reboot. In fact, I've had that reaction on >>four different boxes (and before we say: see whitebox problem, two of those >>are Dell Latitude notebooks, which is what the thing is intended for). -- JRS<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
[H] Re: AntiVirus - Consumer Reports
Here is a site I check every couple of months. It seems to have it's stuff together & does some good testing. http://www.av-comparatives.org/ I usually check CR before I buy anything around the house & they are usually pretty reliable. But I'm not sure what proceedures they used for testing AV & am not as comfortable as the sites that devote their entire focus & sweat to AV. I did like their report on laptops in that they listed repair records & support surveys. I always check those. They look to be true from what I have heard from other sources. On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:00:03 GMT "Jason Carson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There was a thread on here about a month ago ro so that said F-Secure was > the best, here is the link... > > http://www.scotsnewsletter.com/83.htm#avv > > > The September issue of Consumer Reports has a cover article on the best > > software to protect against Viruses, Spam and Spyware. > > > > They rate 12 antivirus programs and the top three are: > > 1. BitDefender > > 2. ZoneAlarm > > 3. Kaspersky Labs > > > > I have no idea how reliable their testing is, > > BUT the point of this message is that it is important > > to be aware of what information > > customers who read Consumer Reports will have. > > > > Best > > > > -- C L Shaw <>< <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Today is a moment for you to clip yet another strand from the rope of earth, so that when he returns you won't be tied up.
RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
The Sakaar one is a total piece of shit. Pardon my French. But the thing does not function at all. I've got one sitting on my desk right now. Put it in a USB port: spontaneous reboot. In fact, I've had that reaction on four different boxes (and before we say: see whitebox problem, two of those are Dell Latitude notebooks, which is what the thing is intended for). Turns out the sucker basically doesn't work with XP SP2. And they haven't updated the drivers for the thing. Clunky interface, and hell, they don't even support it at their own website anymore (http://www.sakar.com/) Bleh. Tried that ;( I've got two of them hanging around in case anyone has an SP1 or Win2k machine they need to secure CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JRS Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:04 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" This one looks simpler... ;) http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecmac/shop/detail~dpno~479823.asp >> >>How about a USB PC Lock? She keeps the memory stick in her pocket when >>she does not want them to use the PC?? >> >>Here's one, I have seen others.. >> >>http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Lockdown/USB-PC-lock.shtml >> >> I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this request a lot. -- JRS<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
This one looks simpler... ;) http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecmac/shop/detail~dpno~479823.asp >> >>How about a USB PC Lock? She keeps the memory stick in her pocket when >>she does not want them to use the PC?? >> >>Here's one, I have seen others.. >> >>http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Lockdown/USB-PC-lock.shtml >> >> I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this request a lot. -- JRS<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
How about a USB PC Lock? She keeps the memory stick in her pocket when she does not want them to use the PC?? Here's one, I have seen others.. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Lockdown/USB-PC-lock.shtml >>I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. >> >>Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to >>get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the >>kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing >>games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that >>they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this >>request a lot. >> -- JRS<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
I think the reality is that's an insanely easy option to beat. Like many people, this is a person with 3 teenage boys. Pressing Win-L to get a lockdown will lockout some accounts, but this computer belongs to the kids, she doesn't use it, she just wants them locked out of playing games/etc. when they have schoolwork to do, so she wants to make sure that they have to "ask" and she has to "know" when it's usable. I get this request a lot. Putting a Win-L keylock on it is a "eh" solution, because a hard reset and them logging into another account gets around that every time. The kids all have their own logins so they can install software, etc. Limited accounts is something that has some functionality; but it doesn't stop people from actually using a PC to begin with. Which is the whole point. A keylock used to prevent people from even booting. Since their PC is all SATA, I'm really thinking that the removable tray is going to be the best option. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 8:26 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" password protection not a option ? winkey and L will lock it down when running and have set to log on so reset is not a work around. I did this for a while with my young one. :-D I also have drive trays but only remove them when going out of town. Had a customer destroy several drives swapping them HOT. fp At 04:13 AM 8/12/2006, Chris Reeves Poked the stick with: >I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would have been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. cannot use it without them getting the say so. In the not-so-distant past, PCs had little keylocks on them, and when they were in the lock position, they wouldnt take keyboard input, etc. > >Now, I cant find a board or a case that has those kind of functions. So, Im looking for something like a USB Dongle or anything that would accomplish this. > >Anyone have recommendations? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A well-written life is as rare as a well-spent one.
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
password protection not a option ? winkey and L will lock it down when running and have set to log on so reset is not a work around. I did this for a while with my young one. :-D I also have drive trays but only remove them when going out of town. Had a customer destroy several drives swapping them HOT. fp At 04:13 AM 8/12/2006, Chris Reeves Poked the stick with: >I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would have >been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. cannot use >it without them getting the say so. In the not-so-distant past, PCs had >little keylocks on them, and when they were in the lock position, they >wouldnt take keyboard input, etc. > >Now, I cant find a board or a case that has those kind of functions. So, Im >looking for something like a USB Dongle or anything that would accomplish this. > >Anyone have recommendations? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A well-written life is as rare as a well-spent one.
RE: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
The more I think about this, the more I think I will just get a removable harddrive bay for them, and let them take out the HDD when they don't want someone to use it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 6:39 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" - Original Message - From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Hardware List'" Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:13 AM Subject: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" > I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would > have > been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. cannot > use My comments do not apply to you since you are seeking a hardware solution. The first level of Windows XP password protection is very weak but the second level is better. This means the first level is easier to work around and the second level more difficult. Don't forget the higher level of security that password protecting the BIOS offers. Doesn't working around that require entering the computer and doing the proper physical manipulation? It has for the ones that I worked around to repair computers. What about drilling a hole in the case and installing a small DC current key on/off switch and cut and hook the (most likely blue and white) power switch wire to it? The key switch would have to be in the "On" position before the power switch would work. I sent those new AT computers out the door with the keys on their ring hanging from the case rear vent fan hole. For the most part, it did not matter how many years it was before the computer came back for repairs, those keys were still hanging there. For the most part I showed the customer the keys and explained what they were for, when they picked up their new computer. At least my method prevented the customer from losing the keys. I also have always put the manuals and driver software and OS CD kit in the same box I removed the motherboard from. This often prevented loss of these things and provided a neat "filing box or folder" for these items. Instead of trying to tell the customer which software to bring in with the computer (when repairs were needed) I just asked them to bring that motherboard box. Chuck
Re: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
- Original Message - From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Hardware List'" Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:13 AM Subject: [H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock" I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would have been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. cannot use My comments do not apply to you since you are seeking a hardware solution. The first level of Windows XP password protection is very weak but the second level is better. This means the first level is easier to work around and the second level more difficult. Don't forget the higher level of security that password protecting the BIOS offers. Doesn't working around that require entering the computer and doing the proper physical manipulation? It has for the ones that I worked around to repair computers. What about drilling a hole in the case and installing a small DC current key on/off switch and cut and hook the (most likely blue and white) power switch wire to it? The key switch would have to be in the "On" position before the power switch would work. I sent those new AT computers out the door with the keys on their ring hanging from the case rear vent fan hole. For the most part, it did not matter how many years it was before the computer came back for repairs, those keys were still hanging there. For the most part I showed the customer the keys and explained what they were for, when they picked up their new computer. At least my method prevented the customer from losing the keys. I also have always put the manuals and driver software and OS CD kit in the same box I removed the motherboard from. This often prevented loss of these things and provided a neat "filing box or folder" for these items. Instead of trying to tell the customer which software to bring in with the computer (when repairs were needed) I just asked them to bring that motherboard box. Chuck
[H] Oh, how I miss the "KeyLock"
I have a few clients who are looking for something that years ago would have been simple. They want to lock their PC so that their kids, etc. cannot use it without them getting the say so. In the not-so-distant past, PCs had little “keylocks” on them, and when they were in the “lock” position, they wouldn’t take keyboard input, etc. Now, I can’t find a board or a case that has those kind of functions. So, I’m looking for something like a USB Dongle or anything that would accomplish this. Anyone have recommendations?
Re: [H] AntiVirus - Consumer Reports
Opinions are like Robert Turnbull wrote: The September issue of Consumer Reports has a cover article on the best software to protect against Viruses, Spam and Spyware. They rate 12 antivirus programs and the top three are: 1. BitDefender 2. ZoneAlarm 3. Kaspersky Labs I have no idea how reliable their testing is, BUT the point of this message is that it is important to be aware of what information customers who read Consumer Reports will have. Best Robert Turnbull, Toronto, Canada -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
Re: [H] EBook Readers
Nope, still using Adobe's crap! Thane Sherrington wrote: Has anyone tried any of these? eBookwise 1150 Gemstar REB 1100 RCA eBook Reader Franklin eBookman Hiebook T
