date:20080311



The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the higher end had higher stages 
of filtering) drove me nuts because it definitely changed the sound, couldn't 
put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most of this power filtering 
crap is just that - crap. Pure snake oil. $5000 for a power cord? Awesome. I 
don't want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound, for the good or worse.

I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN 
POWER!!! You can surge your entire house with a single device on the cheap 
that will give the same amount protection and clean power that a$1K monster 
deck will provide, like here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm

I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that looks esthetically 
pleasing to your eye - and one that has the capacity to protect all of the 
items plugged into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers on the 
circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that needs a 20amp run instead of 15.


 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:42:10 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

 Looking for what the list uses to protect their computers / home theater
 equipment. I'm a EE by training so you don't need to educate me on the
 benefits of clean power, I'm just looking for advice on what products people
 have used that are good and those that are crap. It would be protecting my
 home theater and a HTPC and a phone cable jack would be nice.

 I was thinking a Monster Power HTS 950 would do me just fine but I don't
 have a lot of experience with their products.

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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

I do agree with you that there is a large element of snake oil with power
protection and conditioning but there is also an element of truth.  Certain
devices will dirty household power and certain devices are sensitive to
it.  If you have ever run into ground loops or feedback in a car audio
install then you know exactly what I'm talking about.  The situation is a
lot less worse in the home (unless you happen to have a really messed up
ground) but there are some similarities.

My limit on such expenditures is always a fraction of what I am protecting.
If I have $3000 in home theater and computer gear, spending 5% on surge
protection seems reasonable, IF (and that's a big if) the products do what
they are supposed to.

If I had $20,000 in home audio separates along with my Martin Logan speakers
then I would probably think about getting a true power conditioner.  But I
don't.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



 The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the higher end had higher
 stages of filtering) drove me nuts because it definitely changed the
 sound, couldn't put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most of
 this power filtering crap is just that - crap. Pure snake oil. $5000 for a
 power cord? Awesome. I don't want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound,
 for the good or worse.

 I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN
 POWER!!! You can surge your entire house with a single device on the cheap
 that will give the same amount protection and clean power that a$1K
 monster deck will provide, like here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm

 I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that looks esthetically
 pleasing to your eye - and one that has the capacity to protect all of the
 items plugged into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers on the
 circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that needs a 20amp run instead of
 15.


  Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:42:10 -0400
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter
 
  Looking for what the list uses to protect their computers / home theater
  equipment. I'm a EE by training so you don't need to educate me on the
  benefits of clean power, I'm just looking for advice on what products
 people
  have used that are good and those that are crap. It would be protecting
 my
  home theater and a HTPC and a phone cable jack would be nice.
 
  I was thinking a Monster Power HTS 950 would do me just fine but I don't
  have a lot of experience with their products.
 
  -
  Brian Weeden
  Technical Consultant
  Secure World Foundation

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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

The solution is to hire a competent contractor to find the problem outlets and
fix them for 1/10th the cost of buying a snake oil. Usually this can get
accomplished in tandem with your home inspection before buying your house.

That mantra of needing to spend a fixed PERCENTAGE on accessories (many of
which are rife with snake oil) to compliment the cost of your main home theater
purchase is the biggest SCAM still gobbled up by the gullible consumer.
Speakers, amplifiers, and displays have justifiable cost because they are
generally expensive to manufacturer, especially the more powerful and bigger
you go. But sorry, cables, wire, surge protectors, and stands are not items
anybody needs to spend hundreds of bucks on, let alone thousands. 3' HDMI
cables for over $50? You kidding me? You'd think after all components have gone
digital the snake oil pricing would disappear with their analog relics. I'm a
reformed snake oil audiophile. A sales guy says I need to spend $500 on speaker
cable just because of the price of my front speakers? Fuck you, I'm buying lamp
cord.

I replaced all of my audioquest speaker cable with 12 gauge RadioShack wire -
and I dumped all my interconnects entirely since I'm using all HDMI components
(and cheap HDMI at that, from bluejeanscable) - and I noticed not a lick of
difference firing my Paradigm studio 100s. I guarantee you will not either.
Roger Russell, former McIntosh loudspeaker engineer, first enlightened me here
years ago: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

In fact, A/V snake oil has become so absurd that it has alerted noted
quackbuster James Randi, a famous skeptic who offers $1,000,000 to prove
paranormal ability. That's right, the guy who deals with debunking religious
fairy tales, mythical powers and quack medicine, now thinks that the notion of
$5000 speaker wire being better than average wire is paranormal. LOL.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-bullshit/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better-305549.php

So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster
1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from
Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don’t bother
arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/
and tell them they are a future millionaire.

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:08:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

I do agree with you that there is a large element of snake oil with power
protection and conditioning but there is also an element of truth. Certain
devices will dirty household power and certain devices are sensitive to
it. If you have ever run into ground loops or feedback in a car audio
install then you know exactly what I'm talking about. The situation is a
lot less worse in the home (unless you happen to have a really messed up
ground) but there are some similarities.

My limit on such expenditures is always a fraction of what I am protecting.
If I have $3000 in home theater and computer gear, spending 5% on surge
protection seems reasonable, IF (and that's a big if) the products do what
they are supposed to.

If I had $20,000 in home audio separates along with my Martin Logan speakers
then I would probably think about getting a true power conditioner. But I
don't.

-
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Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation

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[H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

2008-03-11 Thread Hunter, Gary

Hi,

I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
for a Q6600.

I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to
get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.

Thanks,

Gary
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The thermalright and scythe flagships are considered the best overall - the 
fact they are so monsterous make them a favorite among silentPC enthusiasts 
because you can use relatively low noise/underpowered 120mm fans instead of 
stock. The cooling cababilities of the XP 120 and Ninja (now all copper) with 
stock fans and speeds, even on quad cores, is under-utilized at the moment.
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 cooler for a while now but I'm thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most 
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Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

2008-03-11 Thread Stan Zaske

You don't need ultimate for the Q6600 from what I've read so the 
Coolermaster Hyper TX2 is excellent and very inexpensive.



Hunter, Gary wrote:

Hi,

I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
for a Q6600.

I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able to
get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.

Thanks,

Gary
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[H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7

2008-03-11 Thread Thane Sherrington


And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539

T

Re: [H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7

I've been using Beta 3 for a while and now Beta 4.  They fixed a lot of bugs
and it hardly crashes anymore. Gmail and other google apps are wicked fast
and it does a much better job at memory leaks.

The only downside I have come across is that the vast majority of extensions
don't work with FF3 yet.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Thane Sherrington 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice.

 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539

 T

Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread FORC5

pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP. 

You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D
fp

At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with:
So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 
1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from 
Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - dont bother 
arguing, instead direct them to  http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ 
and tell them they are a future millionaire.

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter


You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling?
 
Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0700 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge 
suppressor / power filter  pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack 
CRAP.   You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp  At 12:08 PM 
3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman 
tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper 
line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to 
a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don’t bother arguing, instead direct them 
to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a 
future millionaire.  --  Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Kindergarten 
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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger:

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for
certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made
connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused
triple-platinum connectors?  I've got a bridge to sell you.

--
Brian


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling?

 Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:15:00 
 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 
 [H] Surge suppressor / power filter  pretty much ANYTHING is better then 
 Radio Shack CRAP.   You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp  At 
 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a 
 snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI 
 cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber 
 is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't bother 
 arguing, instead direct them to http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ 
 and tell them they are a future millionaire.  --  Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines 
 below ! -- Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective.
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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread Winterlight



A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible 
for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big 
time audiophile,  and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a 
lot of success with a side business designing and making high end 
headphone amps, and last I heard  Apple certified his products to be 
ipod worthy.


I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that 
when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check 
different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He 
discovered that not only was there very little difference, if any, 
between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester!




At 03:26 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote:

Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger:

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for
certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made
connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused
triple-platinum connectors?  I've got a bridge to sell you.

--
Brian


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling?

 Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 
15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter  
pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP.   You had 
your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D fp  At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, 
Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: So next time a snooty salesman 
tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. 
a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax cable from Kimber 
is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from Ratshack - don't 
bother arguing, instead direct them to 
http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they 
are a future millionaire.  --  Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! 
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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread Jeff Lane

I'm running a Belkin F6C1100-UNV, 1100VA, UPS. It has worked flawlessly 
through several power outages, and, has done the automatic shut down routine 
once with no problems. The accompanying software gives all the levels and 
battery conditions real-time. I've just been very impressed with it.

 Jeff

'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power 
to taxi to the terminal.'






Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter


pretty much ANYTHING is better then Radio Shack CRAP.

You had your stroke yet, you sure do rant :-D
fp

At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with:
So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a $100 
Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' digital coax 
cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax from 
Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to 
http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a 
future millionaire.

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
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Re: [H] FF3 5 times faster than IE7

I've reached the same conclusion.  I tried the hack to get extensions
to work and most of them still aren't in B3.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:00 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I, for one, am sticking with B3 until Greasemonkey is updated.

  aaah, greasemonkey, whatever would I do without it.
  :)

  The OSX UI has really come along though, it actually looks and behaves
  more or less like a Mac app now. :D


 On 11 Mar 2008, at 19:12, Brian Weeden wrote:

   I've been using Beta 3 for a while and now Beta 4.  They fixed a lot
   of bugs
   and it hardly crashes anymore. Gmail and other google apps are
   wicked fast
   and it does a much better job at memory leaks.
  
   The only downside I have come across is that the vast majority of
   extensions
   don't work with FF3 yet.
  
   On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Thane Sherrington 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   And also uses less RAM than FF2, which will be nice.
  
   http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=548tag=nl.e539
  
   T

Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

2008-03-11 Thread Hunter, Gary

From what I've read I know it should overclock well but I want to ensure
I remove as much heat as possible to ensure the long life of the CPU. I
have had CPU's before that have died earlier than expected that I put
down to high temps of time (18-24 months). I realize I will probably
have upgraded by then but you never know.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:30 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

You don't need ultimate for the Q6600 from what I've read so the 
Coolermaster Hyper TX2 is excellent and very inexpensive.


Hunter, Gary wrote:
 Hi,

 I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
 for a Q6600.

 I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
 thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able
to
 get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
 overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
 solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.

 Thanks,

 Gary
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Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

2008-03-11 Thread James Boswell


I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment.
Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an  
Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the  
HSF, good case airflow) for over a year.


I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the  
Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but  
still..


On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote:


Hi,

I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
for a Q6600.

I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able  
to

get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.

Thanks,

Gary
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Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

Some recommendations from the Arstechnica guys here:

http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200801.ars/3

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:26 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment.
  Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an
  Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the
  HSF, good case airflow) for over a year.

  I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the
  Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but
  still..



  On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote:

   Hi,
  
   I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
   for a Q6600.
  
   I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
   thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able
   to
   get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
   overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
   solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.
  
   Thanks,
  
   Gary
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Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

2008-03-11 Thread Hunter, Gary

I've Just ordered the Scythe, SCASM-1000. It's got a top facing Fan
which will force the air towards the fans on the side of my case. I
really think top facing fans are better in my case.



-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:27 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] The best Socket 775 Heatsink/fan combo?

I'm tending towards Scythe Mugen/Infinity's at the moment.
Previously I've been a big fan of the Scythe Ninja, infact, I ran an  
Opteron 175 @ 2.64Ghz/1.5v under one semi-passively (no fan on the  
HSF, good case airflow) for over a year.

I even read a review of one which used an early 3Ghz Prescott (the  
Presshot stepping) and it ran THAT passively at about 70c.. but  
still..

On 11 Mar 2008, at 18:20, Hunter, Gary wrote:

 Hi,

 I just wanted to get the collectives thoughts on heatsink/fan combo's
 for a Q6600.

 I've been running it with the stock cooler for a while now but I'm
 thinking of trying the 3Ghz overclock as most people seem to be able  
 to
 get there with no issues (this is the first system I have not
 overclocked out the box). What would be the ultimate air cooling
 solution? I'm not interested in liquid cooling.

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Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75
which is essentially a XP 
3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd)
shit Antec TruePower 480W 
toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X
uses for vcore causing the 
problem.

Problem now is tracking down a reputable (non-antec,
by principle) PSU w/ 5V 
rail = 40A which are near non-existent given modern
ATX12V 2.x emphasis on 12V 
amps  paltry 30A or less 5V rail.I see great used
ones like a OCZ ModStream, 
but like a car, you can't be sure the last driver
didn't abuse it. ;)

Thanks to all who made offers!


mark.dodge wrote:
 Did you ever get one? I might have a 3500+
somewhere, I'll check later
 today.
 
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of j maccraw
 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:16 AM
 To: The Hardware List
 Subject: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
 
 Well my 4yo+ OC'd AMD XP-M gave up the ghost so I
need
 to replace it. Sucks as i 
 am just about to dump money into new system  pass
 this along to the kids when 
 it croaks.
 
 Anyone have a AXDA3200DKV4E Athlon XP 3200+ or
 SDA3300DKV4E Sempron 3300+ CPU 
 they're looking to unload  $90?
 
 Thanks!
 


  

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Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

2008-03-11 Thread Chris Reeves

$78?!?!?!  Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would wipe the floors.  Just bute 
the bullet go am2 and be done. :)
Sent via BlackBerry by ATT

-Original Message-
From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 
To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75
which is essentially a XP
3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my (2nd)
shit Antec TruePower 480W
toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus A7N8X
uses for vcore causing the
problem.

Problem now is tracking down a reputable (non-antec,
by principle) PSU w/ 5V
rail = 40A which are near non-existent given modern
ATX12V 2.x emphasis on 12V
amps  paltry 30A or less 5V rail.I see great used
ones like a OCZ ModStream,
but like a car, you can't be sure the last driver
didn't abuse it. ;)

Thanks to all who made offers!

mark.dodge wrote:
 Did you ever get one? I might have a 3500+
somewhere, I'll check later
 today.

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of j maccraw
 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:16 AM
 To: The Hardware List
 Subject: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

 Well my 4yo+ OC'd AMD XP-M gave up the ghost so I
need
 to replace it. Sucks as i
 am just about to dump money into new system  pass
 this along to the kids when
 it croaks.

 Anyone have a AXDA3200DKV4E Athlon XP 3200+ or
 SDA3300DKV4E Sempron 3300+ CPU
 they're looking to unload  $90?

 Thanks!

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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

Not being an EE could not argue for or against Monster
except on wires or 
interconnects as they tend to call them which I also
think are snake oil unless 
maybe your talking 1000's of feet or outside runs,
still

My rule of surge protectors is buy only ones that come
with insurance like the 
APC's (and several other brands) do or they are simply
overrated power taps.

Hayes Elkins wrote:
 
 The monster fancy stuff that had filtering (the
higher end had higher stages of filtering) drove me
nuts because it definitely changed the sound, couldn't
put my finger on it but it sounded a bit duller. Most
of this power filtering crap is just that - crap. Pure
snake oil. $5000 for a power cord? Awesome. I don't
want anything in the chain CHANGING the sound, for the
good or worse.
 
 I just plug my amp straight into the wall plug
outlet. OH NOES!!! UNCLEAN POWER!!! You can surge
your entire house with a single device on the cheap
that will give the same amount protection and clean
power that a$1K monster deck will provide, like
here; http://www.dulley.com/docs/f760.htm
 
 I'd just get an inexpensive multi-outlet device that
looks esthetically pleasing to your eye - and one that
has the capacity to protect all of the items plugged
into it (and avoid putting things like laser printers
on the circuit). Just be mindful of any equipment that
needs a 20amp run instead of 15.
 
 



  

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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread DHSinclair


Brian,
The ...oxygen-infused triple-platinum connectors really only have worth 
in the pure audio crowd.
This is a crowd I have a life-time of experience with. Hayes, bless his 
heart, frequently tweaks me and my primo audio side.  It is a button. 
Ears are very personal.


Commercial 10//3 romex internal house electrical stuff makes really 
'good' audio speaker cable.  A bit large for all things digital, but if you 
have the proper connectors, works fine. (looks really odd!)  If your have a 
really large amp, it really likes all that copper to flow watts to the 
speakers. JMHO.

(but I am a Kimber-freak! Been one for 25yrs)

In the venues you have been asking about (htpc), it really boils down to 
what you feel you want to do (regardless of what any of us share); 
because in the end you will do a cost/value analysis, and then make your 
choices. GO FOR IT. And, after it is installed and working, let us know how 
it works!

Best,
Duncan



At 18:26 03/11/2008 -0400, you wrote:

Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger:

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for
certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made
connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused
triple-platinum connectors?  I've got a bridge to sell you.

--
Brian


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling?

 Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 
15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter  pretty much ANYTHING 
is better then Radio Shack CRAP.   You had your stroke yet, you sure do 
rant :-D fp  At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick 
with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a 
$100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' 
digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm coax 
from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to 
http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a 
future millionaire.  --  Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- 
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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread DHSinclair


Brian, Ignore my last reply.
Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of)
Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not 
sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept 
his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard.

We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe.
Best,
Duncan

At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:

A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for 
final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time 
audiophile,  and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of 
success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps, 
and last I heard  Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy.


I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he 
was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio 
wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only 
was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart 
brand performed the best for his tester!




At 03:26 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote:

Blind test between Monster cable and a metal coat hanger:

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

Now, if you are talking about having the proper gauge of wire for
certain applications (ie high amperage) or having good, well-made
connectors, then yeah there is a difference. But your oxygen-infused
triple-platinum connectors?  I've got a bridge to sell you.

--
Brian


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Hayes Elkins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You REALLY believe that, as far as cabling?

 Again, you might just be a millionaire! Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 
15:15:00 -0700 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter  pretty much ANYTHING 
is better then Radio Shack CRAP.   You had your stroke yet, you sure 
do rant :-D fp  At 12:08 PM 3/11/2008, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick 
with: So next time a snooty salesman tries to sell you the virtue of a 
$100 Monster 1000 HDMI cable vs. a cheaper line, or that a $2000 3' 
digital coax cable from Kimber is clearly superior to a normal 75ohm 
coax from Ratshack - don't bother arguing, instead direct them to 
http://www.randi.org/joom/content/view/38/31/ and tell them they are a 
future millionaire.  --  Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- 
Kindergarten Rules: Be kind. Be safe. Be protective.

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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread Gary VanderMolen


As a EE myself, I tend to agree with your EE friend. :-)

I use cheap 16-gauge lamp cord to connect my speakers.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)

--
From: Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for final testing, and certification of all new memory. He 
is a big time audiophile,  and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of success with a side business designing and 
making high end headphone amps, and last I heard  Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy.


I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he was a grad student he decided to build a tester to 
check different audio wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only was there very little 
difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart brand performed the best for his tester!

Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

Bite the bullet? thanks Chris, you writing the check
on that new system for 
me? AM2, Are you serious? Personally I'm waiting for
the Asus Rampage to ship  
I will build a Q6600 Intel system, screw AMD.

Meanwhile the XP box is more than capable of playing
HL2 at decent frame rates 
and has a brand new AGP video card (had to replace
that dead 9800) useless on a 
PCI-E system. In other words perfect for the kids to
game on, hell it's been 
enough for me.

So no I did not want to spend $75 on a CPU only to
find it was another shit 
Antec PSU that is now out of warranty. Certainly did
not want to then have to 
spend another $50-60 on the seemingly no longer made
by any quality company ATX 
1.3 PSU. To dump an otherwise functional system over
$150 in repairs to keep it 
running vs. $1000+ for new makes no sense to me esp.
with two kids and only one 
other game pc in the house.

Saving grace, I may be able to resell the XP-M that is
not the problem after 
all. I know I could resell the Sempron  break even
despite Chris' surprise. ;)

Chris Reeves wrote:
 $78?!?!?!  Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would
wipe the floors.  Just bute the bullet go am2 and be
done. :)
 Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 
 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
 
 
 Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75
 which is essentially a XP
 3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my
(2nd)
 shit Antec TruePower 480W
 toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus
A7N8X
 uses for vcore causing the
 problem.
 



  

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Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

2008-03-11 Thread CW

Yes, I'm being serious.  Ok, let's say $78 is the max you want to spend, and 
you have a new AGP video card you want to use.  Fine, you can grab an AM2 with 
AGP (they exist, SIS) for about $33.  Grab an AM2 Processor for $35, and a 
stick of 1G for $10.  Bam.  You just spent $78.  And you ended up with a 
LE-1150, yeah, a blah board but you support your video card, and off you go.  

Sure, you'd still be cooked to find out it was your power supply, which is a 
given, but on the other end, your DDR and other components (like the Asus 
board) would sell to make up about 1/2 the distance.

:)

I'm not talking about spending a ton of money.. but an LE-1150, a chip you can 
grab OEM for less then $35, would be easily the equal and superior to a Sempron 
whatever SocketA, the board wouldn't be, but you'd keep the AGP card so who 
cares, and you'd get better SATA, USB, etc. support.  

Just saying, if your budget was $78, the combo is out there ;)

CW

-Original message-
From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:51:34 -0700
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU

 Bite the bullet? thanks Chris, you writing the check
 on that new system for 
 me? AM2, Are you serious? Personally I'm waiting for
 the Asus Rampage to ship  
 I will build a Q6600 Intel system, screw AMD.
 
 Meanwhile the XP box is more than capable of playing
 HL2 at decent frame rates 
 and has a brand new AGP video card (had to replace
 that dead 9800) useless on a 
 PCI-E system. In other words perfect for the kids to
 game on, hell it's been 
 enough for me.
 
 So no I did not want to spend $75 on a CPU only to
 find it was another shit 
 Antec PSU that is now out of warranty. Certainly did
 not want to then have to 
 spend another $50-60 on the seemingly no longer made
 by any quality company ATX 
 1.3 PSU. To dump an otherwise functional system over
 $150 in repairs to keep it 
 running vs. $1000+ for new makes no sense to me esp.
 with two kids and only one 
 other game pc in the house.
 
 Saving grace, I may be able to resell the XP-M that is
 not the problem after 
 all. I know I could resell the Sempron  break even
 despite Chris' surprise. ;)
 
 Chris Reeves wrote:
  $78?!?!?!  Seriously a le-1640 at $25 less would
 wipe the floors.  Just bute the bullet go am2 and be
 done. :)
  Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
  
  -Original Message-
  From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:46:55 
  To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject: Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU
  
  
  Yes, silly me! Picked up a new Sempron 3300+ for $75
  which is essentially a XP
  3200+ Barton. Unfortunately it ended up being my
 (2nd)
  shit Antec TruePower 480W
  toasting caps on the 5V rail which is what Asus
 A7N8X
  uses for vcore causing the
  problem.
  
 
 
 
   
 
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[H] Interrupts issue - Win XP.

2008-03-11 Thread Bobby Heid

Hey,

A while back someone gave me an older PC that I set up for my youngest
daughter.  It is a PIII 700Mhz machine running XP Pro and 512MB RAM.  

The system started running slowly.  I tracked it down to a very high
interrupt processing time (30-90% viewed via process explorer).  The drive
is stuck in one of the PIO modes.  I ran the registry mods that I think I
got from here a long time ago and it did not fix it.  I tried various things
that I found out via Google, but still nothing.  I even replaced it with
another drive thinking that it might be a drive issue.  But it is the same
old thing.

Anyone know what else I might try?  Do you think it might be the EIDE
controller on the MB?  I could put a Promise EIDE controller in there, but
most likely I'd have to format and start over.

Thanks,
Bobby

Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter


The first real objective proof I came across that really opened my eyes (and 
maybe my ears?) was Roger Russell's rant (a former engineer of high end 
McIntosh speakers and amps)

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


And for shits and giggles, I present to you all the most profoundly stupid 
audiophile snake oil ever offered for sale: Pebbles. Bags of pebbles to be 
exact. I think a bag of crack rock would be more beneficial to modifying the 
perceived sound passing through your ears, especially after smoking a bit of 
the bag's contents -  http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:35 -0400
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

 Brian, Ignore my last reply.
 Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of)
 Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not
 sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept
 his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard.
 We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe.
 Best,
 Duncan

 At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:

A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for
final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time
audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of
success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps,
and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy.

I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he
was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio
wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only
was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart
brand performed the best for his tester!


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Re: [H] Interrupts issue - Win XP.

2008-03-11 Thread Greg Sevart

Had similar issues with some machines at work--namely, ultra-portable
laptops with slow hard drives. When Windows was resumed from standby, the
hard drives were taking a while to spin back up--and Windows was trying to
access them before they were ready and timing out. After a set number of
errors, Windows will set the drives to PIO mode, and no other change I tried
could re-enable DMA. I finally found this article that showed me where the
in the registry to reset the maximum allowable mode and how to modify the
system such that the error counter is reset to 0 after a success. Before,
the counter was never decremented or reset...it was always growing.

http://winhlp.com/node/10

Note that you must be running SP2 for the reset-on-success modification to
function. I didn't use the VBScript referenced, I manually set the registry
values and rebooted the machine.

Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:26 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] Interrupts issue - Win XP.
 
 Hey,
 
 A while back someone gave me an older PC that I set up for my youngest
 daughter.  It is a PIII 700Mhz machine running XP Pro and 512MB RAM.
 
 The system started running slowly.  I tracked it down to a very high
 interrupt processing time (30-90% viewed via process explorer).  The
 drive
 is stuck in one of the PIO modes.  I ran the registry mods that I think
 I
 got from here a long time ago and it did not fix it.  I tried various
 things
 that I found out via Google, but still nothing.  I even replaced it
 with
 another drive thinking that it might be a drive issue.  But it is the
 same
 old thing.
 
 Anyone know what else I might try?  Do you think it might be the EIDE
 controller on the MB?  I could put a Promise EIDE controller in there,
 but
 most likely I'd have to format and start over.
 
 Thanks,
 Bobby

Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread W. D.

At 20:33 3/10/2008, DHSinclair wrote:
Brian,
Look at Best Power or APC. Most else is still trying to get there.
Best,
Duncan

I used APCs until a unit kept frying motherboards.

Best Power doesn't exist anymore, but its
sucessor does--PowerWare:
http://www.PowerWare.com/

I use 2 of these:
http://www.powerware.com/UPS/5115_UPS.asp

If your power glitches for 3 seconds, a surge 
suppressor won't stop the outage.  A good UPS
will just beep.

For speaker wire, thick lamp cord is great.



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Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

2008-03-11 Thread DHSinclair


Hayes,
I will go look/read your roger-russell.com link. Then I MAY come back for 
more banter.

This topic is not a 1-0 issue ATM. It is very much your opinion/other opinion.
U like Roger; and have run with HIS opinion. Fine.
Give us some time to get up to speed B4 you grace us with your vented spleen.
Computers you can have. Audio I may wish to discuss.
Best,
Duncan

At 22:46 03/11/2008 -0400, you wrote:

The first real objective proof I came across that really opened my eyes 
(and maybe my ears?) was Roger Russell's rant (a former engineer of high 
end McIntosh speakers and amps)


http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


And for shits and giggles, I present to you all the most profoundly stupid 
audiophile snake oil ever offered for sale: Pebbles. Bags of pebbles to be 
exact. I think a bag of crack rock would be more beneficial to modifying 
the perceived sound passing through your ears, especially after smoking a 
bit of the bag's contents -  http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm


 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:40:35 -0400
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [H] Surge suppressor / power filter

 Brian, Ignore my last reply.
 Hayes, Just kidding! (sort of)
 Winterlight, All my life I've waited for an objective proof of this. Not
 sure your friend is correct, but, at this time we live in, I will accept
 his non-scientific opinion. Audio business is seriously back-yard.
 We are now all a very video-centric bunch of tweaks, I believe.
 Best,
 Duncan

 At 15:39 03/11/2008 -0700, you wrote:

A good friend of mine is a EE who works for Micron. He is responsible for
final testing, and certification of all new memory. He is a big time
audiophile, and likes improvisional jazz. In fact, he has had a lot of
success with a side business designing and making high end headphone amps,
and last I heard Apple certified his products to be ipod worthy.

I once asked him about the importance of cabling. He told me that when he
was a grad student he decided to build a tester to check different audio
wiring in order to come up with the best one. He discovered that not only
was there very little difference, if any, between brands, but Walmart
brand performed the best for his tester!


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Re: [H] Need AMD XP Sempron CPU