Re: [H] another recommendation
Both systems will do fine with a 3-series chipset board with an E8400 (~$200). I recommend intel retail desktop boards. Your 2nd system as described (dealing only in 2D imaging) needs nothing more than integrated graphics as far as speed, but you'll want a digital output so I would recommend intel's DG33TL (~$120) with integrated GMA 3100 graphics and DVI output. Trust me, you DO NOT need any add-on PCIe GPU. Throw in 2GB of JDEC spec DDR2 (~$50) and a 74GB Raptor (~$140) and you have a screaming system for general I/O just north of $500. I recommend an intel-based rig because a) nothing tops the price performance of the new 45nm core 2 duo's and b) the ICH9R RAID is a superior performing RAID southbridge when compared to nvidia's and amd/ati's current southbridges. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: [H] another recommendation Hi all, Need to build 2 systems. 1. Strictly business. Don't need fancy graphics, or sound, so onboard video/sound is fine. (I will up the RAM) Dual HDD that are Raid Mirrors are needed. 2. System 2 can be almost like the one above, but needs a better video card. My wife is a Medical Transcriptionist. This will be her work system and her playing with digital pics system. I want dual hdd, and a raid mirror on this as well. I have a Raptor SATA drive that I am going to put in along with another Raptor of same size. Speed is important to her as she is paid on production. Both systems will be using 19 inch basic flat screen monitors. Both systems will be running XP. System 2 will be XP Pro. (Hospital requirement) and a medical version of Word. Speed is important here, but nothing that has to be ripping fast. (also, as the hospital upgrades she needs to be at least close, so at least dual core if not quad if I can swing it) 1st system will be running XP home. So XP drivers for both systems will be important. Both systems will be on networks. System 1 wireless and system 2 wired. I have looked on Tiger and Geeks and haven't quite seen what I need. Budget is 800 for system 1, though I can go to 1k if needed. About 1000 - 1400 for system 2. Any and all help appreciated. BTW, I have the legit copies of XP so that doesn't have to be part of the expense. And, I can put my own systems together, so individual components, if a better deal, is not a problem. Thanks all, Harvey hbest _ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 b _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008
Re: [H] UPSes
JoeUser, Understand. But, for me it is cheaper to use my local sources. I save on shipping costs. And as far as I can tell these commercial replacements are of equal quality of the APC replacement batteries. I now use the PowerSonic gel cells and the Yuasa Genesis AGM cells. The original APC cells lasted 3-4 years. Time will tell of course. Oddly, I also have a Belkin 350VA Gold ups whose single 12v cell just failed recently. It lasted ~7 years of pretty constant use. Best, Duncan At 23:59 04/17/2008 -0600, you wrote: Hello DHSinclair, snip Whoops should have read this post first. I buy my batteries at provantage or directly from APC and I buy APC batteries. It does seem to make a difference in how long they last. Like no name brand lasting 2 years and APC lasting 3. YMMV. Make sure you send the old battery back for recycling. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] UPSes
Hello DHSinclair, Friday, April 18, 2008, 7:50:06 AM, you wrote: JoeUser, Understand. But, for me it is cheaper to use my local sources. I save on shipping costs. And as far as I can tell these commercial replacements are of equal quality of the APC replacement batteries. I now use the PowerSonic gel cells and the Yuasa Genesis AGM cells. The original APC cells lasted 3-4 years. Time will tell of course. Oddly, I also have a Belkin 350VA Gold ups whose single 12v cell just failed recently. It lasted ~7 years of pretty constant use. Best, Duncan True, batteries are heavy as hell and soak up shipping charges, so if I could get mine locally I would. I'm going to give Battery Mart a try, only thing is I won't be able to say anything good about them for 3 years. 8) -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] UPSes
Just wanted to offer; when the batteries in a couple of my APC UPS's went out, I just happened to have a couple of very large deep cycle RV batteries. They have been working fine as substitutes for well over a year. And my power-out run time is measured in hours, not minutes. ;-) If I had a very lengthy power out and wasn't around to shutdown the computers; I would probably recharge then with my auto battery charger, rather than ask the APC units to do it. Regards, Al
[H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower
I've been looking at getting some new cases. Came across this one and liked it. Thought I'd share: http://www.pro-clockers.com/review.php?id=276page=1 Nice finish inside and out. Lots of room for a mid size. No POS power supply to deal with. Oh and wheels :-) From the review: The Power Bar power distribution system eliminates cable clutter inside your case by giving you easy access to 4-pin peripheral and 8-pin PCI-e power connectors in a more convenient location. A little expensive but I think worth it. Regards, Al
Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower
Thanks Al, Looking for something to replace a very old, heavy, In-Win Tower. Will re-read the review a few times to make sure it may support an old full-size ATX m/b... :) Like the wheels! Best, Duncan At 19:02 04/18/2008 -0400, you wrote: I've been looking at getting some new cases. Came across this one and liked it. Thought I'd share: http://www.pro-clockers.com/review.php?id=276page=1 Nice finish inside and out. Lots of room for a mid size. No POS power supply to deal with. Oh and wheels :-) From the review: The Power Bar power distribution system eliminates cable clutter inside your case by giving you easy access to 4-pin peripheral and 8-pin PCI-e power connectors in a more convenient location. A little expensive but I think worth it. Regards, Al
Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower
DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will re-read the review a few times to make sure it may support an old full-size ATX m/b Very roomy case. Here's another (better?) review: http://www.modders-inc.com/reviews-story--182.html regards, Al
Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower
Just built a new system in one of these, very recommended as would be the Cosmo from Coolermaster: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armor/va8000bws.asp Al wrote: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will re-read the review a few times to make sure it may support an old full-size ATX m/b Very roomy case. Here's another (better?) review: http://www.modders-inc.com/reviews-story--182.html regards, Al Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] another recommendation
My choices: Asus Rampage (X48 vs. X38, forget AMD 680/780) Intel E6550 (core2) or Q6600 (core2Q) Thermaltake *toughpower* 750W PSU (or OCZ, Silverstone, CWT, Seasonic) Thermaltake Armor case 2 (1024x2) or 4GB (2048x2) RAM DDR2-800 because it's cheap right now XP will use 3GB for sure. Graphics? anything ATI = X1950 or Nvidia = 7800 (forget future SLI upgrades since Nvidia too stupid to allow support on an Intel chipset.) Why? Supports the fastest DDR2 RAM for the $$$, handles all Intel CPU's (it's X48), won't become obsolete in 2 years IMHO, allows for upgrades. Look for deals/rebates and you could build core box for $1000 sans HDD, CD/DVD, new KB, etc Chris on the other hand will have you buying some AM2+ jobbie in a ultra case w/ ultra branded PSU. Just poking Chris! =) Harvey Best wrote: Hi all, Need to build 2 systems. 1. Strictly business. Don't need fancy graphics, or sound, so onboard video/sound is fine. (I will up the RAM) Dual HDD that are Raid Mirrors are needed. 2. System 2 can be almost like the one above, but needs a better video card. My wife is a Medical Transcriptionist. This will be her work system and her playing with digital pics system. I want dual hdd, and a raid mirror on this as well. I have a Raptor SATA drive that I am going to put in along with another Raptor of same size. Speed is important to her as she is paid on production. Both systems will be using 19 inch basic flat screen monitors. Both systems will be running XP. System 2 will be XP Pro. (Hospital requirement) and a medical version of Word. Speed is important here, but nothing that has to be ripping fast. (also, as the hospital upgrades she needs to be at least close, so at least dual core if not quad if I can swing it) 1st system will be running XP home. So XP drivers for both systems will be important. Both systems will be on networks. System 1 wireless and system 2 wired. I have looked on Tiger and Geeks and haven't quite seen what I need. Budget is 800 for system 1, though I can go to 1k if needed. About 1000 - 1400 for system 2. Any and all help appreciated. BTW, I have the legit copies of XP so that doesn't have to be part of the expense. And, I can put my own systems together, so individual components, if a better deal, is not a problem. Thanks all, Harvey hbest _ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] another recommendation
Heh. Two months from now when you see our QuadSLI review in a major magazine with nice thungs to say you can rethink that. But I thought the goal was two boxes for the price your giving him for one. :). Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:40:51 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] another recommendation My choices: Asus Rampage (X48 vs. X38, forget AMD 680/780) Intel E6550 (core2) or Q6600 (core2Q) Thermaltake *toughpower* 750W PSU (or OCZ, Silverstone, CWT, Seasonic) Thermaltake Armor case 2 (1024x2) or 4GB (2048x2) RAM DDR2-800 because it's cheap right now XP will use 3GB for sure. Graphics? anything ATI = X1950 or Nvidia = 7800 (forget future SLI upgrades since Nvidia too stupid to allow support on an Intel chipset.) Why? Supports the fastest DDR2 RAM for the $$$, handles all Intel CPU's (it's X48), won't become obsolete in 2 years IMHO, allows for upgrades. Look for deals/rebates and you could build core box for $1000 sans HDD, CD/DVD, new KB, etc Chris on the other hand will have you buying some AM2+ jobbie in a ultra case w/ ultra branded PSU. Just poking Chris! =) Harvey Best wrote: Hi all, Need to build 2 systems. 1. Strictly business. Don't need fancy graphics, or sound, so onboard video/sound is fine. (I will up the RAM) Dual HDD that are Raid Mirrors are needed. 2. System 2 can be almost like the one above, but needs a better video card. My wife is a Medical Transcriptionist. This will be her work system and her playing with digital pics system. I want dual hdd, and a raid mirror on this as well. I have a Raptor SATA drive that I am going to put in along with another Raptor of same size. Speed is important to her as she is paid on production. Both systems will be using 19 inch basic flat screen monitors. Both systems will be running XP. System 2 will be XP Pro. (Hospital requirement) and a medical version of Word. Speed is important here, but nothing that has to be ripping fast. (also, as the hospital upgrades she needs to be at least close, so at least dual core if not quad if I can swing it) 1st system will be running XP home. So XP drivers for both systems will be important. Both systems will be on networks. System 1 wireless and system 2 wired. I have looked on Tiger and Geeks and haven't quite seen what I need. Budget is 800 for system 1, though I can go to 1k if needed. About 1000 - 1400 for system 2. Any and all help appreciated. BTW, I have the legit copies of XP so that doesn't have to be part of the expense. And, I can put my own systems together, so individual components, if a better deal, is not a problem. Thanks all, Harvey hbest _ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
