Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[Steve Tomporowski]

I've got the revo sitting here but haven't set it up yet.  I plan on 
using XBMC which will be a learning experience for me.  Then I'll try to 
get it to run with a hauppauge remote.  It's much more fun to cobble 
things together;-)


Steve


Joe User wrote:

Hello Steve,

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:

  

You must have missed this link:



  

http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap



  

In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can run at
least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.





Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?



  




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Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[Brian Weeden]

But you shouldn't have to deal with that - you install XBMC Live, which
boots linux and into XBMC directly.  Then you can just use the remote.

The only issue with Linux is if something goes wrong.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:18 PM,  wrote:

> *laugh* most likely true.  But 'works better' to mean in part less coaching
> of my 66 year old mom, who can easily work the media center interface from a
> remote.  I don't know if I have the stamina or time to coax her through any
> linux or without a simple remote
>
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:01:16
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
>
> I think Linux would work better. Lifehacker has an article about that.
>
> With vdapau you can get full accelleration via the nvidia chipset.
>
> Regards,
>
> Zulfiqar Naushad
>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:07 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
>
> > Windows7.
> > Sent via BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
> > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:00:02
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
> >
> > Are you using windows or Linux?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Zulfiqar Naushad
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:40 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
> >
> >> I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects
> >> straight to whs, and does 720p with no issues at all.
> >> Sent via BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Joe User 
> >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02
> >> To: Steve Tomporowski
> >> Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
> >>
> >> Hello Steve,
> >>
> >> Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> You must have missed this link:
> >>
> >>>
> http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap
> >>
> >>> In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can
> >>> run at
> >>> least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
> >> bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> >>
> >> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>

Re: [H] Need MAJOR help with fubar'ed WinXP install

[Bino Gopal]

Yeah I've dl'ed R-Studio and it's nice that it has the demo version to try
it out but I think I'm even unluckier than I thought b/c I can't find what
looks like my WinXP dir structure among the 23 previous "Recognized"
partitions it's found...I only see the Win7 partition and a bunch of the
original Vista partitionswill probably check out TestDisk to see what it
shows.

And yeah, I didn't build this key this way; it was from IT at work and I
didn't realize it was set to autorun but I guess they usually only use it
when they're rebuilding laptops (and know what they're doing) so it's not a
problem for them; my fault for not figuring it out/asking when I borrowed
it! :P

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:33 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Need MAJOR help with fubar'ed WinXP install

I used TestDisk when I was having I/O problems in a box that was failing
slowly.
The MB I/O chipset was damaging ONE of the NTFS "things", but I was always
able
to recover the other VERY hidden back-up one. (I am NOT confusing it with
FAT32.)
I was disturbed MS always made a back-up for you, but had no tools to
actually USE
or recover it easily.. (I think they do that a lot. *Sometimes* it is
totallty undocumented
except to them.)

As far as ripping the key out fast? It was running in memory by then.
Ripping out the power plug was the only reasonable option.

FWIW, I NEVER build my "bootable medias" to autorun. (Sorry.)

Rick Glazier

From: "Tim Lider"
> I looked over TestDisk and it looks interesting. Although, I do not know
if
> it will fix the problem.
> 
> The problem can be recovered with either GetDataBack NTFS or R-Studio. I
> would suggest trying R-Studio first, it is a much better program IMHO.

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Well, it finally finished.  Over 24 hours. 345 GB.

 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> I do keep my MP3s on a separate external HD (and backed up on several other 
> computers, so I don't typically back them up)...however, they are linked in 
> the music library...and Windows 7 follows that link...so now it is backing up 
> mp3s from one external HD to another oneargh!  And it just crawlsCPU 
> usage is from 4 to 24%, memory is like 44%...system is basically idle while 
> WinDose7 takes its time...I'm at 92% complete now...this started at 5:19pm 
> yesterday...it's 1:48p now...I wonder if it will take longer than 24 hrs or 
> not. Anyone want to bet on the actual finish time? :)
> 
>  Brian Weeden  wrote: 
> > Anthony -
> > 
> > Any way to pare down the data you actually need to backup? I mean, are  
> > there a bunch of data files (mp3 and so forth ) that you can just copy  
> > to a backup HD or LAN location?
> > 
> > I always keep my install and data partitions separate so I can have  
> > them backed up in each's most appropriate way.
> > 
> > ---
> > Brian
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On 2010-01-03, at 11:40 AM, "Anthony Q. Martin"   
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state.  I must say  
> > > this caught me off guard.  It also shows that I had not been doing  
> > > my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned  
> > > better.  This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work  
> > > next week.  I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I  
> > > guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup  
> > > vendors will get business.
> > >
> > >
> > >  tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
> > >> Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are  
> > >> held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing  
> > >> discs.  This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image.   
> > >> But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to  
> > >> compress everything by default.  If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/ 
> > >> mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups  
> > >> take forever.
> > >> Sent via BlackBerry
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: "Anthony Q. Martin" 
> > >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02
> > >> To: 
> > >> Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
> > >>
> > >> And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.
> > >>
> > >>  "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote:
> > >>> Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the  
> > >>> USB is just one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that  
> > >>> port doesn't work.
> > >>>
> > >>> After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the  
> > >>> other 1TB HDD that is on SATA.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Garind P  wrote:
> >  HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the
> >  available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole
> >  things to the drive.
> > 
> >  My backup experience start from
> >  - CD-ROM
> >  - DVD-ROM
> >  - USB HD
> >  - now SATA Drive
> > 
> >  At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> > > Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB
> > > HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at
> > > 78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I
> > > had to cancel that and start over.
> > >
> > > Is this right?
> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >
> 

[H] PC Card to USB

[Al]

Howdy y'all,

I have one of these:
http://www.wirelessinternetreviews.com/hardware/cards/huaweiec360.html
For my old, but good Toughbook CF28.
I'd like to use it with my MacBook, with a usb adaptor. Been searching,
no joy. Have read that not just any adaptor will work. Any help?

TIA,
al

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[tmservo]

*laugh* most likely true.  But 'works better' to mean in part less coaching of 
my 66 year old mom, who can easily work the media center interface from a 
remote.  I don't know if I have the stamina or time to coax her through any 
linux or without a simple remote

Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:01:16 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

I think Linux would work better. Lifehacker has an article about that.

With vdapau you can get full accelleration via the nvidia chipset.

Regards,

Zulfiqar Naushad

On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:07 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

> Windows7.
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:00:02
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
>
> Are you using windows or Linux?
>
> Regards,
>
> Zulfiqar Naushad
>
> On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:40 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
>
>> I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects
>> straight to whs, and does 720p with no issues at all.
>> Sent via BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe User 
>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02
>> To: Steve Tomporowski
>> Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>>
>> Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>> You must have missed this link:
>>
>>> http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap
>>
>>> In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can
>>> run at
>>> least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
>> bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>>
>> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[Zulfiqar Naushad]

I think Linux would work better. Lifehacker has an article about that.

With vdapau you can get full accelleration via the nvidia chipset.

Regards,

Zulfiqar Naushad

On Jan 3, 2010, at 11:07 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:


Windows7.
Sent via BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:00:02
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

Are you using windows or Linux?

Regards,

Zulfiqar Naushad

On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:40 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:


I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects
straight to whs, and does 720p with no issues at all.
Sent via BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Joe User 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02
To: Steve Tomporowski
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

Hello Steve,

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:


You must have missed this link:



http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap



In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can
run at
least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.




Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?



--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[tmservo]

Windows7.  
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: Zulfiqar Naushad 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:00:02 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

Are you using windows or Linux?

Regards,

Zulfiqar Naushad

On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:40 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

> I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects  
> straight to whs, and does 720p with no issues at all.
> Sent via BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe User 
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02
> To: Steve Tomporowski
> Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:
>
>> You must have missed this link:
>
>> http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap
>
>> In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can  
>> run at
>> least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.
>
>
>
> Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
> bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[Zulfiqar Naushad]

Are you using windows or Linux?

Regards,

Zulfiqar Naushad

On Jan 3, 2010, at 9:40 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:

I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects  
straight to whs, and does 720p with no issues at all.

Sent via BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Joe User 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02
To: Steve Tomporowski
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

Hello Steve,

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:


You must have missed this link:



http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap


In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can  
run at

least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.




Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?



--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

I do keep my MP3s on a separate external HD (and backed up on several other 
computers, so I don't typically back them up)...however, they are linked in the 
music library...and Windows 7 follows that link...so now it is backing up mp3s 
from one external HD to another oneargh!  And it just crawlsCPU usage 
is from 4 to 24%, memory is like 44%...system is basically idle while WinDose7 
takes its time...I'm at 92% complete now...this started at 5:19pm 
yesterday...it's 1:48p now...I wonder if it will take longer than 24 hrs or 
not. Anyone want to bet on the actual finish time? :)

 Brian Weeden  wrote: 
> Anthony -
> 
> Any way to pare down the data you actually need to backup? I mean, are  
> there a bunch of data files (mp3 and so forth ) that you can just copy  
> to a backup HD or LAN location?
> 
> I always keep my install and data partitions separate so I can have  
> them backed up in each's most appropriate way.
> 
> ---
> Brian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2010-01-03, at 11:40 AM, "Anthony Q. Martin"   
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state.  I must say  
> > this caught me off guard.  It also shows that I had not been doing  
> > my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned  
> > better.  This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work  
> > next week.  I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I  
> > guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup  
> > vendors will get business.
> >
> >
> >  tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
> >> Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are  
> >> held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing  
> >> discs.  This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image.   
> >> But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to  
> >> compress everything by default.  If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/ 
> >> mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups  
> >> take forever.
> >> Sent via BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: "Anthony Q. Martin" 
> >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02
> >> To: 
> >> Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
> >>
> >> And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.
> >>
> >>  "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote:
> >>> Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the  
> >>> USB is just one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that  
> >>> port doesn't work.
> >>>
> >>> After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the  
> >>> other 1TB HDD that is on SATA.
> >>>
> >>>  Garind P  wrote:
>  HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the
>  available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole
>  things to the drive.
> 
>  My backup experience start from
>  - CD-ROM
>  - DVD-ROM
>  - USB HD
>  - now SATA Drive
> 
>  At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> > Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB
> > HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at
> > 78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I
> > had to cancel that and start over.
> >
> > Is this right?
> 
> 
> >>>
> >

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[tmservo]

I picked one up at newegg.  Used it for a side room. Connects straight to whs, 
and does 720p with no issues at all.  
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: Joe User 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 12:39:02 
To: Steve Tomporowski
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

Hello Steve,

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:

> You must have missed this link:

> http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap

> In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can run at
> least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.



Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?



-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!/Aspire Revo

[Joe User]

Hello Steve,

Saturday, January 2, 2010, 6:30:14 PM, you wrote:

> You must have missed this link:

> http://lifehacker.com/5391308/build-a-silent-standalone-xbmc-media-center-on-the-cheap

> In short, you have a tiny noiseless PC that has HDMI out and can run at
> least 720p and most of the time 1080p because of the ION chip.



Ok , I want to make one of these... thats really, pretty kewl. Anyone
bought one? Where at? Any other info not found on the site to share?



-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Rick Glazier]

I read somewhere that a simple DEFRAG will trip up some
Incremental backups with some vendors programs and make
EVERYTHING touched seem like it was NEW, and then
be included AS NEW, making VERY large files and long times.

I have (regrettably) no actual links or proof of that.

Rick Glazier

From: 
Win7 backup actually does something very different.

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Brian Weeden]

Anthony -

Any way to pare down the data you actually need to backup? I mean, are  
there a bunch of data files (mp3 and so forth ) that you can just copy  
to a backup HD or LAN location?


I always keep my install and data partitions separate so I can have  
them backed up in each's most appropriate way.


---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-01-03, at 11:40 AM, "Anthony Q. Martin"   
wrote:


Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state.  I must say  
this caught me off guard.  It also shows that I had not been doing  
my backups, since if I had I would have discovered this and planned  
better.  This is delaying everything and I need to get back to work  
next week.  I don't know why MS has to always toss out weirdness. I  
guess they are doing their part though, because all of the backup  
vendors will get business.



 tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote:
Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are  
held as a vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing  
discs.  This keeps backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image.   
But the problem is it doesn't do it the smartest way and tries to  
compress everything by default.  If you've got tons of mp3 or avi/ 
mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make backups  
take forever.

Sent via BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Anthony Q. Martin" 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02
To: 
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.

 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote:
Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the  
USB is just one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that  
port doesn't work.


After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the  
other 1TB HDD that is on SATA.


 Garind P  wrote:

HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the
available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole
things to the drive.

My backup experience start from
- CD-ROM
- DVD-ROM
- USB HD
- now SATA Drive

At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:

Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB
HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at
78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I
had to cancel that and start over.

Is this right?

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Yes, what I am seeing is consistent with what you state.  I must say this 
caught me off guard.  It also shows that I had not been doing my backups, since 
if I had I would have discovered this and planned better.  This is delaying 
everything and I need to get back to work next week.  I don't know why MS has 
to always toss out weirdness. I guess they are doing their part though, because 
all of the backup vendors will get business.


 tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: 
> Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a 
> vhd (virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs.  This keeps 
> backups a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image.  But the problem is it doesn't 
> do it the smartest way and tries to compress everything by default.  If 
> you've got tons of mp3 or avi/mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little 
> hiccup wil make backups take forever. 
> Sent via BlackBerry 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Anthony Q. Martin" 
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?
> 
> And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.
> 
>  "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> > Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is 
> > just one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work.
> > 
> > After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB 
> > HDD that is on SATA.
> > 
> >  Garind P  wrote: 
> > > HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the 
> > > available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole 
> > > things to the drive.
> > > 
> > > My backup experience start from
> > > - CD-ROM
> > > - DVD-ROM
> > > - USB HD
> > > - now SATA Drive
> > > 
> > > At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> > > >Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB 
> > > >HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 
> > > >78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I 
> > > >had to cancel that and start over.
> > > >
> > > >Is this right?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[tmservo]

Win7 backup actually does something very different.. Backups are held as a vhd 
(virtual hard disk) and incrementals as differencing discs.  This keeps backups 
a bit like a 'ghost' or acronis image.  But the problem is it doesn't do it the 
smartest way and tries to compress everything by default.  If you've got tons 
of mp3 or avi/mkv/dvr-ms/wtv on your c drive, that little hiccup wil make 
backups take forever. 
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-Original Message-
From: "Anthony Q. Martin" 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 6:34:02 
To: 
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.

 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just 
> one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work.
> 
> After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB 
> HDD that is on SATA.
> 
>  Garind P  wrote: 
> > HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the 
> > available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole 
> > things to the drive.
> > 
> > My backup experience start from
> > - CD-ROM
> > - DVD-ROM
> > - USB HD
> > - now SATA Drive
> > 
> > At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> > >Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB 
> > >HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 
> > >78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I 
> > >had to cancel that and start over.
> > >
> > >Is this right?
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: [H] Need MAJOR help with fubar'ed WinXP install

[Rick Glazier]

I used TestDisk when I was having I/O problems in a box that was failing slowly.
The MB I/O chipset was damaging ONE of the NTFS "things", but I was always able
to recover the other VERY hidden back-up one. (I am NOT confusing it with 
FAT32.)
I was disturbed MS always made a back-up for you, but had no tools to actually 
USE
or recover it easily.. (I think they do that a lot. *Sometimes* it is totallty 
undocumented
except to them.)

As far as ripping the key out fast? It was running in memory by then.
Ripping out the power plug was the only reasonable option.

FWIW, I NEVER build my "bootable medias" to autorun. (Sorry.)

Rick Glazier

From: "Tim Lider"

I looked over TestDisk and it looks interesting. Although, I do not know if
it will fix the problem.

The problem can be recovered with either GetDataBack NTFS or R-Studio. I
would suggest trying R-Studio first, it is a much better program IMHO.

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

And none of that excuses how slow Win7 is compared to XP for backup.

 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just 
> one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work.
> 
> After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB 
> HDD that is on SATA.
> 
>  Garind P  wrote: 
> > HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the 
> > available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole 
> > things to the drive.
> > 
> > My backup experience start from
> > - CD-ROM
> > - DVD-ROM
> > - USB HD
> > - now SATA Drive
> > 
> > At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> > >Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB 
> > >HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 
> > >78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I 
> > >had to cancel that and start over.
> > >
> > >Is this right?
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Yes, I realize all of this. I use multiple levels of backup...the USB is just 
one.  I wanted to do esata but for some reason that port doesn't work.

After I get this done, I will do another backup (and WET) to the other 1TB HDD 
that is on SATA.

 Garind P  wrote: 
> HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the 
> available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole 
> things to the drive.
> 
> My backup experience start from
> - CD-ROM
> - DVD-ROM
> - USB HD
> - now SATA Drive
> 
> At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
> >Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB 
> >HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 
> >78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I 
> >had to cancel that and start over.
> >
> >Is this right?
> 
> 

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Garind P]

HDD today is cheap.  Why don't you try an e-SATA port, or use the 
available SATA port to connect another HHD, then backup the whole 
things to the drive.


My backup experience start from
- CD-ROM
- DVD-ROM
- USB HD
- now SATA Drive

At 07:20 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote:
Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB 
HD.  Win7 is working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 
78% done.  Was worse when I let it do an image too...so bad that I 
had to cancel that and start over.


Is this right?

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Anyone use Paragon Backup?  I'm testing it now on my "other" PC now.  With 
this, one can do uncompressed backups (not possible with Win7 backup).

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-express/

This version is free, too. Seems full featured so far



 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> I found this:
> 
> "Under Windows 7 RTM, I can use file copy to copy 250GB of files to my 
> external eSata drive in about one hour at 72 MB/s.
> 
> When I try to use Windows Backup, it takes 14 hours to backup the same amount 
> of data (i.e. about 5 MB/s).
> 
> It looks like Windows 7 is trying to compress each file individually and is 
> doing alot of Random Disk I/O.
> 
> How can I speed up Windows 7 Windows Backup to get anywhere near approaching 
> the 72 MB/s from a straight file copy?
> 
> Are there any advanced options (e.g. in the Registry) that can be changed to 
> improve this terrible performance?
> 
> Having being forced by the OS to discontinue the previous use of reliable 
> Tape backup via NTBackup, this is being to look like a conspiracy to force 
> users to go and buy real Backup software from the likes of Semantec rather 
> use the rapidly dwindling and increasing noddy backup options provided by 
> Microsoft."
> 
> This is exactly what I am finding.  I probably should use Windows Easy 
> Transfer as it is more like a file-to-file copy.  Now, if I kill this, all of 
> the last 30 hours will be wasted, and I still 20% more to go!  And this was 
> meant to be an extra backup!
> 
> What exactly are beta testers doing for MS these days?  Aren't they giving 
> meaningful feedback any more?  Is MS just living in a world all by itself?  I 
> hate to be a hater...but DAMN!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> > But that's always been the case with incremental backups.  I've backed this 
> > stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond 
> > ridiculous.  Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image 
> > off, which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first 
> > time.  MS just went way stoopid on this.  I've basically lost two days 
> > fooling with this.  Imagine how the restore would be.  A complete 
> > backup/restore using Windows 7 would take a damn week on any modern hard 
> > drive that has zillions of jpegs and videos.  This cannot stand.
> > 
> > BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now.
> > 
> >  Brian Weeden  wrote: 
> > > I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first
> > > time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it 
> > > should).
> > > This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each 
> > > successive
> > > time it should only copy those files which have changed.   So unless a 
> > > large
> > > portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be 
> > > fine.
> > > 
> > > It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the
> > > backup.
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > Brian Weeden
> > > Technical Advisor
> > > Secure World Foundation 
> > > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> > > +1 (202) 683-8534 US
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.  Win7 
> > > > is
> > > > working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was 
> > > > worse
> > > > when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and 
> > > > start
> > > > over.
> > > >
> > > > Is this right?
> > > >
> > 
> 

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

I found this:

"Under Windows 7 RTM, I can use file copy to copy 250GB of files to my external 
eSata drive in about one hour at 72 MB/s.

When I try to use Windows Backup, it takes 14 hours to backup the same amount 
of data (i.e. about 5 MB/s).

It looks like Windows 7 is trying to compress each file individually and is 
doing alot of Random Disk I/O.

How can I speed up Windows 7 Windows Backup to get anywhere near approaching 
the 72 MB/s from a straight file copy?

Are there any advanced options (e.g. in the Registry) that can be changed to 
improve this terrible performance?

Having being forced by the OS to discontinue the previous use of reliable Tape 
backup via NTBackup, this is being to look like a conspiracy to force users to 
go and buy real Backup software from the likes of Semantec rather use the 
rapidly dwindling and increasing noddy backup options provided by Microsoft."

This is exactly what I am finding.  I probably should use Windows Easy Transfer 
as it is more like a file-to-file copy.  Now, if I kill this, all of the last 
30 hours will be wasted, and I still 20% more to go!  And this was meant to be 
an extra backup!

What exactly are beta testers doing for MS these days?  Aren't they giving 
meaningful feedback any more?  Is MS just living in a world all by itself?  I 
hate to be a hater...but DAMN!





 "Anthony Q. Martin"  wrote: 
> But that's always been the case with incremental backups.  I've backed this 
> stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond 
> ridiculous.  Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image off, 
> which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first time.  MS 
> just went way stoopid on this.  I've basically lost two days fooling with 
> this.  Imagine how the restore would be.  A complete backup/restore using 
> Windows 7 would take a damn week on any modern hard drive that has zillions 
> of jpegs and videos.  This cannot stand.
> 
> BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now.
> 
>  Brian Weeden  wrote: 
> > I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first
> > time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should).
> > This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive
> > time it should only copy those files which have changed.   So unless a large
> > portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine.
> > 
> > It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the
> > backup.
> > 
> > ---
> > Brian Weeden
> > Technical Advisor
> > Secure World Foundation 
> > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> > +1 (202) 683-8534 US
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.  Win7 is
> > > working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was worse
> > > when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start
> > > over.
> > >
> > > Is this right?
> > >
> 

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

But that's always been the case with incremental backups.  I've backed this 
stuff up before under XP and it was never this slow...this is beyond 
ridiculous.  Also, it takes forever to find how to turn the exact image off, 
which it does by default along with a regular backup, on the first time.  MS 
just went way stoopid on this.  I've basically lost two days fooling with this. 
 Imagine how the restore would be.  A complete backup/restore using Windows 7 
would take a damn week on any modern hard drive that has zillions of jpegs and 
videos.  This cannot stand.

BTW, I've been googling after I first posted...this is all over the net now.

 Brian Weeden  wrote: 
> I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first
> time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should).
> This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive
> time it should only copy those files which have changed.   So unless a large
> portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine.
> 
> It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the
> backup.
> 
> ---
> Brian Weeden
> Technical Advisor
> Secure World Foundation 
> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> 
> > Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.  Win7 is
> > working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was worse
> > when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start
> > over.
> >
> > Is this right?
> >

[H] [OT] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Naushad, Zulfiqar]

Has anyone used the mac backup?  Time Machine?

It's simple, but the interface is slick!!!

Very slick!!  So slick that my wife who is a complete noob backs up her
computer from time to time to her portable hard drive.

On the other hand, I think Time Capsule is pretty dumb!!

Single hard drive = EPIC FAIL!

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:36 PM
To: hardware
Subject: Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first
time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it
should).
This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each
successive
time it should only copy those files which have changed.   So unless a
large
portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be
fine.

It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the
backup.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin
wrote:

> Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.
Win7 is
> working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was
worse
> when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and
start
> over.
>
> Is this right?
>

Re: [H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Brian Weeden]

I don't have a ton of experience with Win7 backups but I think the first
time it takes a lot longer than it does afterwards (or at least it should).
This is because the first time it copies everything, whereas each successive
time it should only copy those files which have changed.   So unless a large
portion of that 350GB is constantly changing, future backups should be fine.

It also might make a difference if you have a lot of small files in the
backup.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

> Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.  Win7 is
> working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was worse
> when I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start
> over.
>
> Is this right?
>

[H] Win7 Super Long Backups?

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Gee WhizI have about 350 GB to back up to an external USB HD.  Win7 is 
working on this now for over 12 hours!  Still only at 78% done.  Was worse when 
I let it do an image too...so bad that I had to cancel that and start over.

Is this right?

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!

[Naushad, Zulfiqar]

The larger companies have more budget for development and hence you can
expect better algorithims for defragging.

That may not always be the case but is pretty much the norm.

Right now I am using Raxco Perfectdisk, but will try O&O tonight.

Regards,

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:33 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!

Thanks Z, I'll give it a spin.

Recently I've been using MyDefrag AKA jkDefrag. Don't know how good a
job it's been 
doing but I do like that it's real lightweight on the resources.

Happy New Year all...

On 1/1/2010 12:14 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:
> Read, download and enjoy!
>
> http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/special/komputerswiat/
>
>
>

Re: [H] Free new years gift for HWG!

[maccrawj]

Thanks Z, I'll give it a spin.

Recently I've been using MyDefrag AKA jkDefrag. Don't know how good a job it's been 
doing but I do like that it's real lightweight on the resources.


Happy New Year all...

On 1/1/2010 12:14 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Read, download and enjoy!

http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/special/komputerswiat/