Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
Thanks for the feedback. I just finished reading this absolutely fantastic article on SSDs over at Anandtech: http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631 Must read for anyone either wanting to understand just how different SSDs are from spinning hard drives or looking to buy one. His conclusions are that while the Gen 2 Intel SSDs have the best performance (largely due to the properly implementation of TRIM) they are expensive. He has been using a cheaper Vertex in his personal machine for months and loves it. And everything else (especially the SSDs with Jmicron controllers or Samsung NAND chips) is crap. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: The Vertex is a nice drive. We have 45 of them deployed at work, and they're very fast. I've become somewhat concerned with their reliability though...I've had several of them either die or become quirky. I typically am not one to judge drives based on such a tiny sample size, but SSDs are supposed to be much more reliable than magnetic drives...and I haven't experienced that. For what it's worth, I only buy Intel G2 SSDs now--including for my personal systems. They have faster sequential read performance, and much faster random write performance, but lower sequential write performance (which frankly doesn't much matter). Most real world tests put them ahead of the Vertex. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:33 PM To: hwg Subject: [H] SSD recommendations? I'm about to pull the trigger on an SSD for my laptop and wanted to know what people thought so far. It's going in a Lenovo x200t that I really love. I'm thinking of going with the OCZ Vertex 120GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227395 But I am considering the 60GB version of the same drive. My only hesitation is that AFAIK I only have one internal drive bay so I would need to keep my entire Win 7 install to below 60 GB. That's fine as long as I give up carrying my music collection with me. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US
Re: [H] something is going on at PCPC
Maybe they add a lot so no one can complain they bought something too small.. (My wife drives me crazy with the games she plays with adding time to clocks.) R-(name with-held for obvious reasons)grin From: Greg Sevart Power supply calculators are almost universally wrong--enough that I don't bother anymore. I've never seen a system near what they estimate, even under load.
Re: [H] something is going on at PCPC
Thanks, I'm going now to peek through the holes of a couple recent un-installed buys. Rick Glazier From: Greg Sevart clipped I have changed my yardstick measure of quality, though...more than anything else, I look at the manufacturer of the capacitors on the primary and secondary sides in a PSU. I've found this to be the best measure of a unit's quality, since you don't really see a PSU advertise that they use Rubycon or Nippon Chemi-Con--but they are far more expensive than cheaper, less reliable components and are universally found in the best supplies.
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
SSDs get bigger! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-ssd-now-trim-windows,9510.html On 1/27/2010 7:56 AM, Brian Weeden wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I just finished reading this absolutely fantastic article on SSDs over at Anandtech: http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631 Must read for anyone either wanting to understand just how different SSDs are from spinning hard drives or looking to buy one. His conclusions are that while the Gen 2 Intel SSDs have the best performance (largely due to the properly implementation of TRIM) they are expensive. He has been using a cheaper Vertex in his personal machine for months and loves it. And everything else (especially the SSDs with Jmicron controllers or Samsung NAND chips) is crap. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Greg Sevartad...@xfury.net wrote: The Vertex is a nice drive. We have 45 of them deployed at work, and they're very fast. I've become somewhat concerned with their reliability though...I've had several of them either die or become quirky. I typically am not one to judge drives based on such a tiny sample size, but SSDs are supposed to be much more reliable than magnetic drives...and I haven't experienced that. For what it's worth, I only buy Intel G2 SSDs now--including for my personal systems. They have faster sequential read performance, and much faster random write performance, but lower sequential write performance (which frankly doesn't much matter). Most real world tests put them ahead of the Vertex. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:33 PM To: hwg Subject: [H] SSD recommendations? I'm about to pull the trigger on an SSD for my laptop and wanted to know what people thought so far. It's going in a Lenovo x200t that I really love. I'm thinking of going with the OCZ Vertex 120GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227395 But I am considering the 60GB version of the same drive. My only hesitation is that AFAIK I only have one internal drive bay so I would need to keep my entire Win 7 install to below 60 GB. That's fine as long as I give up carrying my music collection with me. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2648 - Release Date: 01/27/10 02:36:00
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
WOW, ~~$1985 vs --- $64 (less on sale.). I'm stuck with mechanical for a long time, grin Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin SSDs get bigger! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-ssd-now-trim-windows,9510.html
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
$400 is definitely worth it though. The trick is whether or not you can re-arrange your install so that your boot drive can be 80 or 120 GB. No need to have your hundreds of GBs /TBs of data on an SSD. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rick Glazier rickglaz...@gmail.comwrote: WOW, ~~$1985 vs --- $64 (less on sale.). I'm stuck with mechanical for a long time, grin Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin SSDs get bigger! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-ssd-now-trim-windows,9510.html
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
It is absolutely worth it IMO. And moving the data off is simple. If you have more apps than will fit, probably better to think about using a second PC for some stuff. On 1/27/2010 11:03 AM, Brian Weeden wrote: $400 is definitely worth it though. The trick is whether or not you can re-arrange your install so that your boot drive can be 80 or 120 GB. No need to have your hundreds of GBs /TBs of data on an SSD. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rick Glazierrickglaz...@gmail.comwrote: WOW, ~~$1985 vs --- $64 (less on sale.). I'm stuck with mechanical for a long time,grin Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin SSDs get bigger! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-ssd-now-trim-windows,9510.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2648 - Release Date: 01/27/10 02:36:00
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
Yeah, I went with the 160 gig Intel G2 for the boot drive, but data drives are still 500 gig WD's. :) - Original Message From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 8:03:22 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD recommendations? $400 is definitely worth it though. The trick is whether or not you can re-arrange your install so that your boot drive can be 80 or 120 GB. No need to have your hundreds of GBs /TBs of data on an SSD. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rick Glazier wrote: WOW, ~~$1985 vs --- $64 (less on sale.). I'm stuck with mechanical for a long time, Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin SSDs get bigger! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-ssd-now-trim-windows,9510.html
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
I have more than 2 now, another reason for staying put. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is absolutely worth it IMO. And moving the data off is simple. If you have more apps than will fit, probably better to think about using a second PC for some stuff.
Re: [H] SSD recommendations?
yeah, that's one way to look at it. But on my other computers I don't worry about having quick loads and bootups/reboots. My main machine has the SSD. I'd like to put on in my tablet, but my Dell XT uses a 1.8 ZIF connector and only a few SSDs fit and they seem to be buggy right now with Win7. On 1/27/2010 11:34 AM, Rick Glazier wrote: I have more than 2 now, another reason for staying put. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is absolutely worth it IMO. And moving the data off is simple. If you have more apps than will fit, probably better to think about using a second PC for some stuff. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2648 - Release Date: 01/27/10 02:36:00
[H] The iPad vs the competition?
So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
Re: [H] W7 Bug ?
I'd have to figure out where to look to check, but downloads are probably indexed. But I would ask why a file of around 200MB would take s much longer to index that a 150MB file. Would that explain the depletion of resources? I don't know. However, I can try turning off indexing and see what happens Steve maccrawj wrote: Are the downloads indexed? On 1/26/2010 4:26 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've had a few strange things happen with W7 Ultimate also. I use Internet Download Manager. If I download files over 150 MB, the rebuilding of the files after download slows the system to a crawl. Download enough files and then I run out of resources and have even had blue screens. And this just began within the last couple of weeks. As long as I don't do massive downloading, I'm fine. I'm probably due to upgrade that app. Steve FORC5 wrote: All of a sudden I have a program that will not run unless I right click/run as administrator. Also right click on computer/manage throws a error. Can get there thru MMC Very strange. W7 Ultimate. Have poked at different things. Have not tried a repair or re installing the sw. thanks fp __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4808 (20100126) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4809 (20100127) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Re: [H] [***** SPAM 2.6 *****] The iPad vs the competition?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have no plans to get one but what really got me interested is the fact that all current iPhone apps are compatible. That gives you a huge initial software base for this thing. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #216: What office are you in? Oh, that one. Did you know that your building was built over the universities first nuclear research site? And wow, aren't you the lucky one, your office is right over where the core is buried! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Bino, With this share you seem to be the Uber-Early-Adopter-Candidate. I checked today and it seems that NO further info about access to an iPad will be available until March or April. But, I suppose the Speculation-Masters are now in full gear. To me, it is just another Apple appliance :) Best, Duncan On 01/27/2010 16:25, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
If I didn't already have an iPhone 3GS I would definitely be interested. But as it stands, my iPhone does everything the iPad does (just, smaller, which isn't a big deal. The killer app for me would be the ability to subscribe to all of my dead tree magazines in ebook form on the iPad, and make notes, annotations, and lookup references. When that arrives, I'm there. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:00 PM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bino, With this share you seem to be the Uber-Early-Adopter-Candidate. I checked today and it seems that NO further info about access to an iPad will be available until March or April. But, I suppose the Speculation-Masters are now in full gear. To me, it is just another Apple appliance :) Best, Duncan On 01/27/2010 16:25, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
The iPad is NOT a computer, no matter how much The Steve or Apple marketing says so. It is not a tablet PC. It is a consumer electronic device, akin to a Kindle or DVD player. Think of it in that context. It is not meant to replace a computer or laptop as it provides different, more specialized functionality. Just like my Lenovo x200t tablet and iPhone provide completely different functionality. So the reference to 1984 is not warranted IMHO. Now, there is something to be said for consumer lock-in to Apple's world and content delivery schemes (ie iTunes), but so far it has proved a far smoother end user experience than anything else the general public uses to provide multimedia content on a device. Until something come along that is easier to use for your average person, the public is going to be just happy living in Apple's world. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM, maccrawj maccr...@gmail.com wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
I guess... we'll see if it can be jailbroken easily. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 07:05:58PM -0500, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Well I got a Kindle as an Xmas gift from my GF and used it for a few days but didn't really like it and she sent it back to Amazon, and I'm glad she did now b/c the Kindle just doesn't do enough for me... An iPad or similar device that can do full web-browsing along with reading ebooks and other stuff (like BrianW) states makes a Kindle or similar single-use devices completely obsolete, IMHO... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:40 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
The fact that it won't support flash is a killer. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:40:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
I don't notice lack of flash support in the 2+ years I've used my iPhone. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: The fact that it won't support flash is a killer. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:40:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
I guess it depends. I don't own a kindle, a family member does. Key difference: I can sit outside and read a kindle. Try to read an iphone out in the sun. You can't. It might as well be a rock. So, as a book, its a good curl on the couch kind of book. But worthless outside. As a tablet pc, it can't print, export documents, has no onboard usb or camera. It doesn't support flash and has a locked app environment. The cheapest kindle is 250. The cheapest ipad is $500. The cheapest kindle has 3g. The cheapest ipad doesn't. So, kind of geared differently. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:01:03 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Well I got a Kindle as an Xmas gift from my GF and used it for a few days but didn't really like it and she sent it back to Amazon, and I'm glad she did now b/c the Kindle just doesn't do enough for me... An iPad or similar device that can do full web-browsing along with reading ebooks and other stuff (like BrianW) states makes a Kindle or similar single-use devices completely obsolete, IMHO... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:40 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Because it doesn't mean as much on a phone. Jobs is busy showing off the nytimes, he goes to cbs's website... And no lead story, just a blue box with no flash plugin. The iphone was a web ready phone. Lower expectations. People see ipad and think 'wow, I'll do facebook, youtube, hulu. Except youtube is dead (so they need the java conversion) and hulu is a nogo. Game apps on facebook? No way So you get an ipod touch (it won't make calls so not an iphone, and no camera either, so a loss there) that can't really fit into the tablet market. I'm just wondering outside of super apple fans, what's the major lure here? Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:05:45 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? I don't notice lack of flash support in the 2+ years I've used my iPhone. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: The fact that it won't support flash is a killer. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:40:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650 - Release Date: 01/27/10 14:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2650
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
Well, I'll just be happy if it spurs development and lots of tablet PCs that come out with better features and at a lower price point. Like I said, my use case is browsing the web in the living room and while not a perfect solution, it's not bad, but if I can get something better than does more, and for less, I have no problem using a tablet PC for that, so I was hoping for links to some alternatives from folks (if there are even any comparable devices out there currently). We don't need to debate whether the iPad itself is worth getting, but there does seem to be a middle market b/w smartphone and full-on laptop developing, and my feeling is that when the tech gets there, laptops will disappear for something more the form-factor of these devices (long-term, maybe foldable devices once OLED/real epaper becomes viable, with projection keyboards, etc, etc)... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:09 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Because it doesn't mean as much on a phone. Jobs is busy showing off the nytimes, he goes to cbs's website... And no lead story, just a blue box with no flash plugin. The iphone was a web ready phone. Lower expectations. People see ipad and think 'wow, I'll do facebook, youtube, hulu. Except youtube is dead (so they need the java conversion) and hulu is a nogo. Game apps on facebook? No way So you get an ipod touch (it won't make calls so not an iphone, and no camera either, so a loss there) that can't really fit into the tablet market. I'm just wondering outside of super apple fans, what's the major lure here? Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:05:45 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? I don't notice lack of flash support in the 2+ years I've used my iPhone. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:59 PM, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: The fact that it won't support flash is a killer. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:40:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally. And even the US deal is not likely to last forever. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt the Kindle would be interesting if it were in color. Now the iPad comes along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing. To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a Kindle. On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Mostly but there are some differences. No camera or mic. There are some special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and reading books which are different from the iPhone/Touch. But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking at it. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch? On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: Jailbreak FTW. Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked down / GAY. (And I'm an Apple fan boy). On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote: No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC with a different OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we go down this path hence no matter how good, it must die. That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be an ION based netbook. On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino
Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?
I guess I was looking at it from the perspective of it being nice to have in the living room when I wanted to use a browser/look things up w/o the whole having to boot up a laptop and all that. I do have a 3GS but the screen is just too small to really easily do stuff on it and the increased screen size on the iPad is useful. I also do like the multitouch interface; one reason I'm leaning towards it. But at the same time it seems so limited that I'm thinking that there will be better alternatives that will do more for OS...can anyone imagine the Google Android equivalent?! That would be awesome! BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:12 PM To: hardware Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? If I didn't already have an iPhone 3GS I would definitely be interested. But as it stands, my iPhone does everything the iPad does (just, smaller, which isn't a big deal. The killer app for me would be the ability to subscribe to all of my dead tree magazines in ebook form on the iPad, and make notes, annotations, and lookup references. When that arrives, I'm there. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:00 PM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bino, With this share you seem to be the Uber-Early-Adopter-Candidate. I checked today and it seems that NO further info about access to an iPad will be available until March or April. But, I suppose the Speculation-Masters are now in full gear. To me, it is just another Apple appliance :) Best, Duncan On 01/27/2010 16:25, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
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They do. Its called the archos 7 (and I think 9). Google chrome, the whole works. Oh, about $150 less, and yes, it can run Kindle software, so ebooks still work fine. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:14:53 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? I guess I was looking at it from the perspective of it being nice to have in the living room when I wanted to use a browser/look things up w/o the whole having to boot up a laptop and all that. I do have a 3GS but the screen is just too small to really easily do stuff on it and the increased screen size on the iPad is useful. I also do like the multitouch interface; one reason I'm leaning towards it. But at the same time it seems so limited that I'm thinking that there will be better alternatives that will do more for OS...can anyone imagine the Google Android equivalent?! That would be awesome! BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:12 PM To: hardware Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition? If I didn't already have an iPhone 3GS I would definitely be interested. But as it stands, my iPhone does everything the iPad does (just, smaller, which isn't a big deal. The killer app for me would be the ability to subscribe to all of my dead tree magazines in ebook form on the iPad, and make notes, annotations, and lookup references. When that arrives, I'm there. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:00 PM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bino, With this share you seem to be the Uber-Early-Adopter-Candidate. I checked today and it seems that NO further info about access to an iPad will be available until March or April. But, I suppose the Speculation-Masters are now in full gear. To me, it is just another Apple appliance :) Best, Duncan On 01/27/2010 16:25, Bino Gopal wrote: So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad? I can already guess at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to vent it here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual evaluations of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there now, or that people expect to come out in the next few months. I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet PC-type of device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow the iPad out of the water in price and features right? Anyone got their eye on a particular one coming out soon? BINO
