Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in ahole ofwater
I missed how big is the box, and would it be permissible to splice the wires rather than use a coupler. I read years ago, when I tried -- (and things change) that I could not buy a coupler rated for this in a DRY location. This is switching from an electrical problem to a plumbing one. While following good electronic principals, it might help to start thinking like a plumber. (OR a diver.) I have a bunch of ideas I've actually used, but the box needs to be big enough AND of the air tight (and waterproof?) type.. Is the two foot depth because of potential frost damage? (Or is it according to the older specs of the National electrical Code?) Rick Glazier From: Harry McGregor I am going to throw my recommendation in as well...
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At 10:02 AM 22/07/2010, Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Neil Davidson wrote: And some people still say Outlook is horrid. Not lost a single email in about 10 years or more :) (btw, glad you got it sorted out Duncan) I have so many customers who run or ran Outlook XP or lower and constantly run into problems with their PST's hitting the 2GB limit. Even some users who are on 2003+ are starting to get damn close to the 20GB limit on PST files. Consider yourself lucky you haven't lost messages, for outlook is not immune. =) Yup. Outlook has real problems with large PST files (and OE is even worse.) Just remember, there are two groups of people. Those who have lost data and those who will. :) T
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Which is why I love gmail. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 10:02 AM 22/07/2010, Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Neil Davidson wrote: And some people still say Outlook is horrid. Not lost a single email in about 10 years or more :) (btw, glad you got it sorted out Duncan) I have so many customers who run or ran Outlook XP or lower and constantly run into problems with their PST's hitting the 2GB limit. Even some users who are on 2003+ are starting to get damn close to the 20GB limit on PST files. Consider yourself lucky you haven't lost messages, for outlook is not immune. =) Yup. Outlook has real problems with large PST files (and OE is even worse.) Just remember, there are two groups of people. Those who have lost data and those who will. :) T
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Gmail goes above 20 gigs? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: Which is why I love gmail. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US
Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in ahole ofwater
You could use two of these: http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=556amp;R=500-0056amp;sid=456F70806D65617Fhttp://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=556R=500-0056sid=456F70806D65617F http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=556R=500-0056sid=456F70806D65617FWith this: http://www.wlanparts.com/product/DCE-H-7X6X2/NEMA6-Weatherproof-Die-Cast-Aluminum-Enclosure-and-Hinged-Cover.html or this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VZM8MM/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1pf_rd_t=201pf_rd_i=B001AMR73Kpf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_r=0ER0VXGBHBN1W6GJQZ9B http://www.wlanparts.com/product/DCE-H-7X6X2/NEMA6-Weatherproof-Die-Cast-Aluminum-Enclosure-and-Hinged-Cover.htmlYou'll also need: http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=580amp;R=500-0080amp;sid=456F70804D6D617Fhttp://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=580R=500-0080sid=456F70804D6D617F http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=580R=500-0080sid=456F70804D6D617FA little silicon around the wire where it comes into the box couldn't hurt either. This is interesting too: http://www.wlanparts.com/product/RJ45-ECS Julian On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Eli Allen ealle...@gmail.com wrote: Do a google product search for rj45 ip68 ip68 is the waterproof standard. Could reinforce the waterprooffing with an external caulk job
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At 11:40 AM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote: Which is why I love gmail. What happens when you lose mail in gmail? Do they keep a backup? T
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The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which smart users don't do with Gmail - they archive it. Much simpler system, as you never have to worry about accidently deleting something and wanting it back. I have all 70,000 or so email messages I've sent from both my personal and business gmail accounts over the last 5+ years. The only thing I delete is spam (actually, gmail deletes it for me after a set period of time). If you do use Google Apps to host email for your company, they do provide a backup service for those that still see the need to delete stuff. And since Gmail uses standard IMAP and POP protocols, you can easily back everything up if you really want to. I use a service call Backupify which backs up my personal Gmail to their cloud service, and also a program called MailStore which backs up both my personal and Gapps accounts to my home NAS, which is then mirrored to my Amazon S3 account. Belt and suspenders --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 11:40 AM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote: Which is why I love gmail. What happens when you lose mail in gmail? Do they keep a backup? T
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At 12:14 PM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote: The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which Or if something happened to the data on the server...that's why I was wondering if Gmail did a back up mail in case of hardware failure. If you do use Google Apps to host email for your company, they do provide a backup service for those that still see the need to delete stuff. Ok, so the for pay includes backup. That's pretty fair. And since Gmail uses standard IMAP and POP protocols, you can easily back everything up if you really want to. I use a service call Backupify which backs up my personal Gmail to their cloud service, and also a program called MailStore which backs up both my personal and Gapps accounts to my home NAS, which is then mirrored to my Amazon S3 account. Belt and suspenders Always a wise idea. :) T
Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water
The only way to do this is to go to Home Depot and get around six inches to a foot of 1 inch (to accommodate the inline connectors) schedule 40 PVC pipe. You can buy larger diameter pipe as needed ... up to 1/2 inch to 4 inches. Buy two end caps for the pipe. Drill an appropriate hole in the end caps. Run your Ethernet through the end caps with the inline connector ending up in the middle of the pipe. The hole on the end caps only has to be large enough to accommodate the wire. The pipe has to be large enough to hold your inline connection. So now your CAT is threaded through the end caps and plugged into the inline connector which is sitting in the middle of the PVC pipe, with one end cap on, and one off, and slid back on the wire. Fill the pipe with 100 percent pure silicon caulk pushing it in the pipe with a stick so it comes out the hole of the closed end cap. Once the pipe is filled up with silicon, slide the other end cap in place and then top off the silicon though the whole in the cap, so is comes out the end cap. Now just let it sit for a bit so the exposed silicon surface drys while you clean up your tools, and hands with paint thinner and paper towels. Now you have something that is not only impervious to moisture, and the elements, but it is an a very tough enclosure. Eventually all that silicon will harden. If you absolutely had to you could take it apart, but it would be messy and you would have to cut up the pipe. It would be better to just cut the wire and do a new enclosure. good luck At 04:43 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote: Ok, have a location where a 1000' splice of ethernet runs and makes a turn. Due to a really poorly cut conduit by the client, this has never been right since the beginning. So, wire people out, we're trying to think of a unique solution. We had a wild brainstorm today. Here's the deal. At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins. Cable comes in both ways. Joins there (just couplers basically). But the box fills with water every single night all the way. The wire installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, more designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical tape, etc.. in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she goes. So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed something I thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day. Get a can of Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal the top, let go. Crisco would hold out the water and it's non-conductive. This is after they suggested peanutbutter. We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested. Now I'm wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be... worst case, you're just out the $5 to try...
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I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite? If it was me, I'd move the box. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. Here's the deal. At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins. Cable comes in both ways. Joins there (just couplers basically). But the box fills with water every single night all the way. The wire installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, more designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical tape, etc.. in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she goes. So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed something I thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal the top, let go. Crisco would hold out the water and it's non-conductive. This is after they suggested peanutbutter. We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested. Now I'm wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be... worst case, you're just out the $5 to try...
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Halfway in a golf course. Sprinkler system goes off everynight and it floods the box. Keeping the greens pretty is more important then the phone. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JRS stei...@pacbell.net Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:02:49 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Reply-To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite? If it was me, I'd move the box. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. Here's the deal. At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins. Cable comes in both ways. Joins there (just couplers basically). But the box fills with water every single night all the way. The wire installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, more designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical tape, etc.. in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she goes. So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed something I thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal the top, let go. Crisco would hold out the water and it's non-conductive. This is after they suggested peanutbutter. We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested. Now I'm wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be... worst case, you're just out the $5 to try...
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Chris, Is there some lucky reason you always have these truly astounding incidents? Never-mind. :) I second/third the Silicone caulk route. When I worked, we called it RTV. Best, Duncan On 07/22/2010 15:21, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Halfway in a golf course. Sprinkler system goes off everynight and it floods the box. Keeping the greens pretty is more important then the phone. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: JRSstei...@pacbell.net Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:02:49 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Reply-To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Insane method for protecting an ethernet join in a hole of water I'm still wondering why the box fills with water every nite? If it was me, I'd move the box. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. Here's the deal. At 600', a box in the ground (about 2' down) joins. Cable comes in both ways. Joins there (just couplers basically). But the box fills with water every single night all the way. The wire installer tried a weathertight box (still leaked in once submerged, more designed to resist rain) and they've tried wrapping with electrical tape, etc.. in the end, same thing happens, short across live wires and down she goes. So, a guy at the meeting, the sprinkler systems person proposed something I thought was ridiculous but I've thought about since all day.Get a can of Crisco, wrap the wires, and run them down into the crisco can, seal the top, let go. Crisco would hold out the water and it's non-conductive. This is after they suggested peanutbutter. We all laughed like crazy when these were suggested. Now I'm wondering how dumb of an idea this would actually be... worst case, you're just out the $5 to try...
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 12:14 PM 22/07/2010, Brian Weeden wrote: The only way you would lose email would be if you deleted it manually, which Or if something happened to the data on the server...that's why I was wondering if Gmail did a back up mail in case of hardware failure. Not sure about actual data backups, but google mirrors their data around the globe. Multiple data centers would have to go down for them to lose your data. You might lose access to it if you are normally routed to a data center that goes down, but they can reroute you to another one in another country and still have your data there. This is actually a reason that one of the better known colleges did not migrate to google apps, google wouldn't give them a list of countries their data would be stored, instead just a short list of countries it would NOT be stored. Christopher Fisk -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
