[H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of the 
M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, I am 
pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, maybe 
he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan



Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread FORC5

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO
onboard graphic are fine unless he games.

At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, 
I am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
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Re: [H] Opinions welcome again

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 01:54 PM 03/07/2014, DSinc wrote:
Seeking opinions about Lenovo. I know that they now own the old IBM 
PC division. Fine.


So, OB is doing 'New Desktop' research. He went to Dell and found 
the Inspiron 8700. Nice box.


So, OB went to Big Buy and met a Lenovo desktop, I think it is a 
K450E series. I have not peeked/poked yet.

I will.

The conversion of IBM to Lenovo is recent. Wondering what the 
Collective feels about Lenovo in general.

If you choose to be specific, please share.


Hmmm...Lenovo vs Dell.  Why not just custom build and get a machine 
that is exactly what you want?


The business grade of any line is decent.  The home grade is crap.

T 






Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:00 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!


Well, whomever buys at Best Buy deserves what he gets.  But I'd check 
the following:


Is the case tiny?  If so, it will run hot and his HD will die early.
Does the PS have plenty of power?
What's the cooling system look like?
How standard are the parts in it?  If something fails, doe he have to 
buy a Lenovo part?


T 






Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:07 PM 05/07/2014, FORC5 wrote:

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO


That's a good point.  I'd go 8 or 16GB myself these days, although 
for a the average user, 4 will do.


I'd also go to a 1TB drive - and avoid Seagate.

T



At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, 
I am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
***















Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.
Duncan

On 07/05/2014 11:07, FORC5 wrote:

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO
onboard graphic are fine unless he games.

At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, I 
am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
***















Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:55 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.


Any reason why he isn't going with Windows 7?

T 






Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc

Thane,
I may have to admit guilt for this. We had many conversations about how 
long MS may
continue to support Win7; and, how soon MS launched W8 and W8.1. I still 
do not know, or,
understand the breadth of the issue. Both of us decided it had to do 
with 'Tablets.' Sadly he does

own a Tablet (?an Apple IPAD?), an Apple 'Smartphone' and a Kindle 'Reader.'

I shared with him that W7pro/64 installed very easily over my goofed up 
w8.1/plain vanilla attempt.
And, he did have W7pro/64 to upgrade to. He kept railing at me wearing 
his MBA hat telling me
me he just could not accept what MS was doing to Commercial/Industrial 
folks that had thousands of
desktops to plan an upgrade to ?What? I begged off and said, I just 
do not know! I was focused on
OB's homedesktop PC--ONLY. In the end, he bought W8.1pro/64, and, 
decided that was where he would go
based on his own personal research; which seems to be some favorite 
websites, his USMA Alumni forum,
and me (because of our Collective!). ;) (see my 
earlier queries.)
I did have himfocused on Win7pro/64 some months back, but, he blew that 
off for Win8.1pro/64. I just

said Fine. I now believe my OB is an ApplicationSW WONK! JMHO.
Duncan


On 07/05/2014 12:38, Thane Sherrington wrote:

At 12:55 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.


Any reason why he isn't going with Windows 7?

T







Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 02:41 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I may have to admit guilt for this. We had many conversations about 
how long MS may
continue to support Win7; and, how soon MS launched W8 and W8.1. I 
still do not know, or,


Windows 7 will be supported until April 2020 at a minimum, FWIW.

T 






Re: [H] Opinions welcome again

2014-07-05 Thread Harry McGregor
Hi,

First, I may be biased, as I work for IBM (in Storage, not anything x86/x64)

On 7/3/14, 9:54 AM, DSinc wrote:
 Seeking opinions about Lenovo. I know that they now own the old IBM PC
 division. Fine.

 So, OB is doing 'New Desktop' research. He went to Dell and found the
 Inspiron 8700. Nice box.

 So, OB went to Big Buy and met a Lenovo desktop, I think it is a K450E
 series. I have not peeked/poked yet.
 I will.

My personal opinion is Lenovo's business line, the Think workstations
and ThinkPad Laptops (not the edge, not the idea pad) are great.

I don't care for *anyones* consumer line.  Basically, if it's sold at
BestBuy, it's probably built to be disposable.

That being said, if you want to poke around the IBM Certified Used, or
the Lenovo Employee Purchase Program for IBM Employee's it reaches out
to family and friends, send me a direct email, and I will give you the
info on both of them (can't post that to a public mailing list).
 The conversion of IBM to Lenovo is recent.
Only if you consider almost 10 years as recent, the PC Division was sold
in 2005, the x64 server line is pending sale this year.  That being
said, I have worked ThinkPad laptops for the better part of 15 years,
both personally and professionally, and have found them to be great. I
love my work W520, (3 SSDs and 16GB upgradeable to 32GB of memory in a
laptop :)).


-Harry
 Wondering what the Collective feels about Lenovo in general.
 If you choose to be specific, please share.
 Thanks,
 Duncan