Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-19 Thread Stan Zaske
Another reason I'm apposed to Crossfire or SLI is the energy usage goes 
way up and I want my machines to be efficient in that regard. One of the 
big attractions to me was the difference between the old 55nm 4850 and 
the new 40nm 5770. The 5770 is faster and my Kill-A-Watt meter shows a 
nice drop between the 2. And since I only have a 24" monitor I don't 
really need a 5850. The price difference is ~ $140 and that's a lot of 
cheddar to me.



On 2/19/2010 2:00 AM, maccrawj wrote:
LOL Stan! While larger screen means you need higher resolution to 
drive it, fact is every hotrod video card is going to crawl way sooner 
than later!


Calling xfire or SLI overkill unless you have a huge screen is just 
fundamentally wrong. You need to turn the eye-candy settings back up 
on your games!



On 2/18/2010 4:42 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:

If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an HD5850.
I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill unless
you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get. By the way,
by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning of what I
originally wrote.









Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-19 Thread Stan Zaske
The reviews I've read say a single 5770 is almost as fast as a 4890 so 
no it wouldn't be able to keep up with 2 4870's in Crossfire. A single 
5850 will drive 3 monitors by its self but you have the display port 
connection to worry about. The latest driver release by AMD (10.2) makes 
Eyefinity even better and next months 10.3 release will add bezel 
correction. Go to HardOCP and read their take on it.



On 2/18/2010 7:01 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an 
HD5850. I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just 
overkill unless you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you 
can get.


well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor 
setup has proved to be very annoying.
I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster 
then my two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them 
4970s originally.)


 If I popped for the 5850 would it be a benefit in a multi monitor 
setup where the monitors differ in size?



 By the way, by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning of 
what I originally wrote.


Sorry, it was unintentional. I was just trying to clean things up so 
it was easier to follow, I should of just left the first sentence.
Thanks for the help, I don't really know video cards.. I have no idea 
what is what.


w





On 2/18/2010 1:02 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 07:20 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like 
that are from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has 
been running for several days, overclocking the video HD5770 in my 
experience.


Well, you may be right. I have disconnected my other monitors and 
running just one  30 inch monitor off the second of the 4970s and it 
is working OK. I might just have a bad video card. I have never seen 
a video go out where they don't just die, but this one works and 
just keeps crapping out the display requiring a reboot. I will be 
running further tests to make sure... but right now I think one of 
my 4970s went bad.


So what should I get to replace it? I run three monitors. I 
currently have the two 4970s. one handles two 24 inch Dells and one 
handles a 30 inch Gateway. I need to replace the one that handles 
the 30 inch.


Would it be best to get another 4970? Or should I get a 5000 series 
and forget about Crossfire?
Is there something I could get that would be crossfire in just one 
card for the 30 inch. Even better is there a card that would work 
with my existing 4970  to play games across all three monitors.


Any and all advice appreciated.

w











Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-19 Thread maccrawj
LOL Stan! While larger screen means you need higher resolution to drive it, fact is 
every hotrod video card is going to crawl way sooner than later!


Calling xfire or SLI overkill unless you have a huge screen is just fundamentally 
wrong. You need to turn the eye-candy settings back up on your games!



On 2/18/2010 4:42 PM, Stan Zaske wrote:

If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an HD5850.
I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill unless
you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get. By the way,
by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning of what I
originally wrote.





Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Winterlight


Well, I am not a big gamer a couple of games a year, maybe, and 
usually games that are a few years old. However, I do drive three 
large monitors, so what do you think... keep my good 4870 to drive my 
two 24 inch dells and get the 5850 for the thirty inch and forget 
about Crossfire? It is too bad I can't use all three monitors when 
playing a game. thanks,

W

At 09:19 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

There's also the upcoming 5830. As its numerical designation should
indicate, it fits between the 5770 and 5850 in price and performance.

Current rumor (as of today) is that launch is targeted for one week from
today.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of James Boswell
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:23 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics
> Cards Equal?
>
>
> On 19 Feb 2010, at 01:01, Winterlight wrote:
>
> > At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
> >> If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an
> HD5850. I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill
> unless you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get.
> >
> > well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor
> setup has proved to be very annoying.
> > I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster
> then my two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them
> 4970s originally.)
>
> the 5770 is slightly faster computationally than a single 4870 (800
> shaders at.. 850Mhz I believe? rather than 750 or so for the 4870) but
> it's WY down on memory bandwidth, 76GB/s vs 115GB/s or therebouts.
>
> a 5870 however, will be about as fast as a pair of 4870's :)




Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Greg Sevart
There's also the upcoming 5830. As its numerical designation should
indicate, it fits between the 5770 and 5850 in price and performance.

Current rumor (as of today) is that launch is targeted for one week from
today.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of James Boswell
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:23 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics
> Cards Equal?
> 
> 
> On 19 Feb 2010, at 01:01, Winterlight wrote:
> 
> > At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
> >> If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an
> HD5850. I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill
> unless you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get.
> >
> > well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor
> setup has proved to be very annoying.
> > I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster
> then my two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them
> 4970s originally.)
> 
> the 5770 is slightly faster computationally than a single 4870 (800
> shaders at.. 850Mhz I believe? rather than 750 or so for the 4870) but
> it's WY down on memory bandwidth, 76GB/s vs 115GB/s or therebouts.
> 
> a 5870 however, will be about as fast as a pair of 4870's :)




Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread James Boswell

On 19 Feb 2010, at 01:01, Winterlight wrote:

> At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
>> If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an HD5850. I'll 
>> never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill unless you have a 
>> 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get.
> 
> well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor setup has 
> proved to be very annoying.
> I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster then my 
> two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them 4970s originally.)

the 5770 is slightly faster computationally than a single 4870 (800 shaders 
at.. 850Mhz I believe? rather than 750 or so for the 4870) but it's WY down 
on memory bandwidth, 76GB/s vs 115GB/s or therebouts.

a 5870 however, will be about as fast as a pair of 4870's :)

Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread DSinc

Winterlight,
Please do not feel like a "lone ranger" here.

Personally, I am moving back to nVidia. One machine at a time.
I use 9600GT devices w/basic drivers.
ATI? Been there, done that, not happy! Bah!

But, I do not have the 3-screen business you now have.
Really wish I could share a solution. Sadly, I can not.
Best,
Duncan


On 02/18/2010 20:01, Winterlight wrote:

At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:

snip

Thanks for the help, I don't really know video cards.. I have no idea
what is what.

w



Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Veech
From my research the 5850 hits the sweet spot for performance vs price. 
Granted that is a budget-driven decision.. and I'm a gamer and I want to 
take advantage of the eye candy.



- Original Message - 
From: "Winterlight" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 17:01
Subject: Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards 
Equal?




At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an HD5850. 
I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill unless you 
have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get.


well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor setup 
has proved to be very annoying.
I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster then my 
two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them 4970s 
originally.)


 If I popped for the 5850 would it be a benefit in a multi monitor setup 
where the monitors differ in size?



 By the way, by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning of what 
I originally wrote.


Sorry, it was unintentional. I was just trying to clean things up so it 
was easier to follow, I should of just left the first sentence.
Thanks for the help, I don't really know video cards.. I have no idea what 
is what.


w





On 2/18/2010 1:02 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 07:20 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like that are 
from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has been running 
for several days, overclocking the video HD5770 in my experience.


Well, you may be right. I have disconnected my other monitors and running 
just one  30 inch monitor off the second of the 4970s and it is working 
OK. I might just have a bad video card. I have never seen a video go out 
where they don't just die, but this one works and just keeps crapping out 
the display requiring a reboot. I will be running further tests to make 
sure... but right now I think one of my 4970s went bad.


So what should I get to replace it? I run three monitors. I currently 
have the two 4970s. one handles two 24 inch Dells and one handles a 30 
inch Gateway. I need to replace the one that handles the 30 inch.


Would it be best to get another 4970? Or should I get a 5000 series and 
forget about Crossfire?
Is there something I could get that would be crossfire in just one card 
for the 30 inch. Even better is there a card that would work with my 
existing 4970  to play games across all three monitors.


Any and all advice appreciated.

w










Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Winterlight

At 04:42 PM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an 
HD5850. I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just 
overkill unless you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get.


well I do have a 30 inch monitor, but crossfire in a multi monitor 
setup has proved to be very annoying.
I was thinking of a HD 5770. Wouldn't this, on it's own, be faster 
then my two 4870s in Crossfire?... (correction from my calling them 
4970s originally.)


 If I popped for the 5850 would it be a benefit in a multi monitor 
setup where the monitors differ in size?



 By the way, by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning 
of what I originally wrote.


Sorry, it was unintentional. I was just trying to clean things up so 
it was easier to follow, I should of just left the first sentence.
Thanks for the help, I don't really know video cards.. I have no idea 
what is what.


w





On 2/18/2010 1:02 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 07:20 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need 
for frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties 
like that are from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my 
box has been running for several days, overclocking the video 
HD5770 in my experience.


Well, you may be right. I have disconnected my other monitors and 
running just one  30 inch monitor off the second of the 4970s and 
it is working OK. I might just have a bad video card. I have never 
seen a video go out where they don't just die, but this one works 
and just keeps crapping out the display requiring a reboot. I will 
be running further tests to make sure... but right now I think one 
of my 4970s went bad.


So what should I get to replace it? I run three monitors. I 
currently have the two 4970s. one handles two 24 inch Dells and one 
handles a 30 inch Gateway. I need to replace the one that handles the 30 inch.


Would it be best to get another 4970? Or should I get a 5000 series 
and forget about Crossfire?
Is there something I could get that would be crossfire in just one 
card for the 30 inch. Even better is there a card that would work 
with my existing 4970  to play games across all three monitors.


Any and all advice appreciated.

w








Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Stan Zaske
If I could justify spending $300 my personal choice would be an HD5850. 
I'll never do Crossfire or SLI because to me it's just overkill unless 
you have a 30" monitor and want the fastest FPS you can get. By the way, 
by chopping my previous post you changed the meaning of what I 
originally wrote.




On 2/18/2010 1:02 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 07:20 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like that 
are from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has been 
running for several days, overclocking the video HD5770 in my 
experience.


Well, you may be right. I have disconnected my other monitors and 
running just one  30 inch monitor off the second of the 4970s and it 
is working OK. I might just have a bad video card. I have never seen a 
video go out where they don't just die, but this one works and just 
keeps crapping out the display requiring a reboot. I will be running 
further tests to make sure... but right now I think one of my 4970s 
went bad.


So what should I get to replace it? I run three monitors. I currently 
have the two 4970s. one handles two 24 inch Dells and one handles a 30 
inch Gateway. I need to replace the one that handles the 30 inch.


Would it be best to get another 4970? Or should I get a 5000 series 
and forget about Crossfire?
Is there something I could get that would be crossfire in just one 
card for the 30 inch. Even better is there a card that would work with 
my existing 4970  to play games across all three monitors.


Any and all advice appreciated.

w







Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Winterlight

At 07:20 AM 2/18/2010, you wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like that 
are from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has been 
running for several days, overclocking the video HD5770 in my experience.


Well, you may be right. I have disconnected my other monitors and 
running just one  30 inch monitor off the second of the 4970s and it 
is working OK. I might just have a bad video card. I have never seen 
a video go out where they don't just die, but this one works and just 
keeps crapping out the display requiring a reboot. I will be running 
further tests to make sure... but right now I think one of my 4970s went bad.


So what should I get to replace it? I run three monitors. I currently 
have the two 4970s. one handles two 24 inch Dells and one handles a 
30 inch Gateway. I need to replace the one that handles the 30 inch.


Would it be best to get another 4970? Or should I get a 5000 series 
and forget about Crossfire?
Is there something I could get that would be crossfire in just one 
card for the 30 inch. Even better is there a card that would work 
with my existing 4970  to play games across all three monitors.


Any and all advice appreciated.

w




Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 11:20 AM 2/18/2010, Stan Zaske wrote:
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like that 
are from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has been 
running for several days, overclocking the video card, the video 
card fan resets itself to run low RPM, buggy games will also cause 
problems at times, or a card going bad (only Nvidia on that so far) 
but never the Ati driver my friend. I've had an X1900XT 256M, 
HD3850, HD4850 and now an HD5770 in my experience.


I have to agree.  I've run a lot of stability testing on systems (4-7 
per day) and many of those are ATI, and I'm not seeing more failures 
on ATI video than on any other.  Just finished 24 hours of testing on 
an ATI based system with no problems.


T 





Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 04:42 PM 2/17/2010, Stan Zaske wrote:
Are you sure that's what it is? I've been downloading and installing 
Ati drivers since my X1900XT and don't ever recall being forced to 
reboot because of them.


I'm in the same boat, never had stability problems with ATI drivers 
in the last four years.


T 





Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-18 Thread Stan Zaske
I don't think it's the stability of the driver causing the need for 
frequent reboots. The only time I've ever had difficulties like that are 
from fold...@home GPU client misbehaving after my box has been running 
for several days, overclocking the video card, the video card fan resets 
itself to run low RPM, buggy games will also cause problems at times, or 
a card going bad (only Nvidia on that so far) but never the Ati driver 
my friend. I've had an X1900XT 256M, HD3850, HD4850 and now an HD5770 in 
my experience.



On 2/17/2010 3:29 PM, Winterlight wrote:


Yes I am sure, I guess you missed Greg's post

At 12:42 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
Are you sure that's what it is? I've been downloading and installing 
Ati drivers since my X1900XT and don't ever recall being forced to 
reboot because of them.



On 2/17/2010 1:03 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 10:54 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?


I don't care if they perform better or not, I would just like to see 
some stable drivers from ATI so I don't have to reboot twice a day!





On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has 
it's share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm 
reading next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets 
mature drivers out to us but at this point in my gaming experience 
I still recommend the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html



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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Winterlight


Yes I am sure, I guess you missed Greg's post

At 12:42 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
Are you sure that's what it is? I've been downloading and installing 
Ati drivers since my X1900XT and don't ever recall being forced to 
reboot because of them.



On 2/17/2010 1:03 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 10:54 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?


I don't care if they perform better or not, I would just like to 
see some stable drivers from ATI so I don't have to reboot twice a day!





On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has 
it's share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that 
I'm reading next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets 
mature drivers out to us but at this point in my gaming 
experience I still recommend the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html



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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
Are you sure that's what it is? I've been downloading and installing Ati 
drivers since my X1900XT and don't ever recall being forced to reboot 
because of them.



On 2/17/2010 1:03 PM, Winterlight wrote:

At 10:54 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?


I don't care if they perform better or not, I would just like to see 
some stable drivers from ATI so I don't have to reboot twice a day!





On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has it's 
share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm 
reading next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets mature 
drivers out to us but at this point in my gaming experience I still 
recommend the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html



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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
Its still an issue for artists and engineers since the change in GDI to 
Direct2D with the release of Vista and DX10. I was just posting because 
of the general weirdness of my new HD5770 on Win 7. However, at the time 
I didn't know that 10.2 was to be released today. I've already 
downloaded and installed it myself. Cool?



On 2/17/2010 12:54 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?

On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has it's 
share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm reading 
next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets mature drivers 
out to us but at this point in my gaming experience I still recommend 
the 5000 series.


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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Winterlight

At 10:54 AM 2/17/2010, you wrote:

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?


I don't care if they perform better or not, I would just like to see 
some stable drivers from ATI so I don't have to reboot twice a day!





On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has 
it's share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm 
reading next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets mature 
drivers out to us but at this point in my gaming experience I still 
recommend the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html



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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

It's been a long time since 2D acceleration was even an issue, no?

On 2/17/2010 10:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has it's 
share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm reading 
next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets mature drivers 
out to us but at this point in my gaming experience I still recommend 
the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html



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Re: [H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske

Part 2 update:

As you can see, the performance in Catalyst 10.1 (our hotfixed version, 
not the publicly-available driver <#>) is substantially better than 
Catalyst 9.12 with Aero enabled, in the case of polygons, even 
surpassing the performance of 9.12 in Windows XP. This is the fix we've 
been looking for.


You'll also notice that, with the latest version of the benchmark <#> 
(linked on the previous page), we're also showing a performance drop 
with the Desktop Window Manager disabled. We've tested, retested, tested 
on multiple machines, and found the same results. ATI has done the same 
in its lab and not been able to reproduce our results.


However, this is of less consequence to us, as there's little reason to 
disable Aero if the experience with it on is superior. Our numbers (and 
the ones ATI has run) agree in this regard. At the end of the day, the 
issue we originally reported has been addressed and tentatively fixed, 
with significant performance speed-ups in Windows 7 on the Radeon HD 
5000-series cards with Aero enabled.


Now, as mentioned, this driver isn't available yet. ATI says it will be 
integrating its fixes into a future release, but we wouldn't expect them 
until Catalyst 10.3 or 10.4; we'll post a news update when ATI confirms 
that the Catalyst driver has officially been

updated with the fixes.

Special thanks to ATI's software engineering team for quickly addressing 
the Windows 7-based issues we presented, implementing a quick (albeit 
not yet public) fix, and working with us to ensure that the folks buying 
these cards get the user experience they expect, regardless of whether 
they're gamers, artists, or engineers!


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2547-15.html

On 2/17/2010 9:53 AM, Stan Zaske wrote:
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest 
video cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has it's 
share of problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm reading 
next. Still going to be a few months before AMD gets mature drivers 
out to us but at this point in my gaming experience I still recommend 
the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html





[H] 2D, Acceleration, And Windows: Aren't All Graphics Cards Equal?

2010-02-17 Thread Stan Zaske
2D acceleration is another area that has problems with the latest video 
cards/drivers. Ati is mostly affected but Nvidia also has it's share of 
problems. There is a part 2 to this article that I'm reading next. Still 
going to be a few months before AMD gets mature drivers out to us but at 
this point in my gaming experience I still recommend the 5000 series.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-11.html