Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:24:09 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK > > Other than PL-II mode, there is no way to make 2ch > digital into 5.1 with the > logitech's "head". It does not acceptably simulate 6ch > or even 3ch from a digital > stereo signal. Ok so it is a matter of preference then, you find the old sound card's matrix of stereo into 5.1 better than the logitech's. Gotcha. > PL-II mode is a joke and does not even remotely give > me what I had with DD5.1 signal > coming out of the Soundstorm before: 6 discrete > channels generated by the sound > card's DSP+encoder from stereo over 1 cable = > 2xfront,2xrear,1xLFE,1xcenter. I don't > see why this escapes you? Nothing escapes me. If the original sound source is stereo, no decoder will ever make it a truly 6 discrete channel signal. You can't make source material out of thin air much like expecting DVD upscaled to resemble HDTV resolution. What your soundstorm did was make a simulated 5.1 signal from a stereo source, fully encode it on the fly as 6 discreet channels and then output it to your receiver which treated it as a fully fledged incoming 5.1 signal. The Z-680's own built in stereo matrixing is supposedly good, using PL-II, but I fully understand how one would prefer one equipment's matrixing to another. > Nevermind the other issue which we're talking > simulated 5.1 from 2.0 and glossing > over the fact I can't get games in 5.1 over digital > either so this is a moot > conversation. That is defintely a red flag. At the very least, the built in Asus sound should properly pass a native 5.1 signal to your logitech and output it untouched as 5.1 - have you tried a 5.1 DVD for troubleshooting? Switching between stereo and 5.1 on the fly withing a DVD should trigger the logitech to switch modes and induce brief pauses. I'd make sure all processing on the logitech are disabled and see if a DVD 5.1 soundtrack can first be played back via your toslink. > Hayes Elkins wrote: >> I never mentioned using analog cables, this was > regarding your single digital sound output on your > motherboard. My question is what difference does it > make if you have simulated DD5.1 processed by your > speaker system vs having a sound card do it earlier in > the chain? All the functionality you describe (output > on all speakers, LFE, levels, dsp) can still be > handled by the Logitech right? >> >>> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:37 -0700 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >>> Subject: Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital > TOSLINK >>> >>> No concern? Then you are missing a few details > about >>> why Artificial DD5.1 (hell even >>> 2.1) from 2.0 is valuable: >>> >>> 1. all four speakers get audio vs. 2 >>> 2. can set a low-pass filter on the subwoofer >>> 3. all speakers levels are directly controllable, >>> 4. can add a DSP effect if you really want > simulated >>> surround sound. >>> 5. Running three 3.5mm stereo cables across my desk > is >>> unacceptable. >>> >>> The Logitech Z-680 seems to mix some of the > channels >>> together vs. discrete 6ch if you >>> use analog 6ch direct mode and PL-II mode sucks big >>> time, period. If I did use the 3 >>> patches, I'd still need an SPDIF for passing DVD > audio >>> in digital (which also seems >>> broken on this card). >>> >>> Bottom line I want to use digital not analog to > attach >>> to my speakers which means >>> DD5.1 like I had been doing for the past 5 years! > Asus >>> could have saved me $50 by not >>> bundling this pile of shit with my mobo and I would >>> not be complaining now. >>> >>> Hayes Elkins wrote: >>>> If the material you are playing is not native > DD/DTS >>> source material, I don't see the concern with it > being >>> passed through spdif/toslink in its native 2.0 > format >>> as long as your receiver or speaker system expands > it >>> using PL-II or whatever matrix to get 5.1 out of > your >>> speakers (if having a stero signal artifically >>> expanded to 5.1 is your cup of tea that is). DD > live >>> and what your NV sound did was basically the same >>> thing, just at the sound card (earlier in the > chain). >>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:12 -0700 >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Solution: Looking for a either a replacemen
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
Other than PL-II mode, there is no way to make 2ch digital into 5.1 with the logitech's "head". It does not acceptably simulate 6ch or even 3ch from a digital stereo signal. PL-II mode is a joke and does not even remotely give me what I had with DD5.1 signal coming out of the Soundstorm before: 6 discrete channels generated by the sound card's DSP+encoder from stereo over 1 cable = 2xfront,2xrear,1xLFE,1xcenter. I don't see why this escapes you? Nevermind the other issue which we're talking simulated 5.1 from 2.0 and glossing over the fact I can't get games in 5.1 over digital either so this is a moot conversation. Hayes Elkins wrote: > I never mentioned using analog cables, this was regarding your single digital sound output on your motherboard. My question is what difference does it make if you have simulated DD5.1 processed by your speaker system vs having a sound card do it earlier in the chain? All the functionality you describe (output on all speakers, LFE, levels, dsp) can still be handled by the Logitech right? > >> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:37 -0700 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >> Subject: Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK >> >> No concern? Then you are missing a few details about >> why Artificial DD5.1 (hell even >> 2.1) from 2.0 is valuable: >> >> 1. all four speakers get audio vs. 2 >> 2. can set a low-pass filter on the subwoofer >> 3. all speakers levels are directly controllable, >> 4. can add a DSP effect if you really want simulated >> surround sound. >> 5. Running three 3.5mm stereo cables across my desk is >> unacceptable. >> >> The Logitech Z-680 seems to mix some of the channels >> together vs. discrete 6ch if you >> use analog 6ch direct mode and PL-II mode sucks big >> time, period. If I did use the 3 >> patches, I'd still need an SPDIF for passing DVD audio >> in digital (which also seems >> broken on this card). >> >> Bottom line I want to use digital not analog to attach >> to my speakers which means >> DD5.1 like I had been doing for the past 5 years! Asus >> could have saved me $50 by not >> bundling this pile of shit with my mobo and I would >> not be complaining now. >> >> Hayes Elkins wrote: >>> If the material you are playing is not native DD/DTS >> source material, I don't see the concern with it being >> passed through spdif/toslink in its native 2.0 format >> as long as your receiver or speaker system expands it >> using PL-II or whatever matrix to get 5.1 out of your >> speakers (if having a stero signal artifically >> expanded to 5.1 is your cup of tea that is). DD live >> and what your NV sound did was basically the same >> thing, just at the sound card (earlier in the chain). >>>> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:12 -0700 >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for >> the >>>> soundcard that does encode it's >>>> output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go >>>> the analog route *OR* a way to >>>> convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can >>>> continue to use my Logitech Z-680 >>>> speakers via toslink. >> >> >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _ > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
I never mentioned using analog cables, this was regarding your single digital sound output on your motherboard. My question is what difference does it make if you have simulated DD5.1 processed by your speaker system vs having a sound card do it earlier in the chain? All the functionality you describe (output on all speakers, LFE, levels, dsp) can still be handled by the Logitech right? > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:37 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK > > No concern? Then you are missing a few details about > why Artificial DD5.1 (hell even > 2.1) from 2.0 is valuable: > > 1. all four speakers get audio vs. 2 > 2. can set a low-pass filter on the subwoofer > 3. all speakers levels are directly controllable, > 4. can add a DSP effect if you really want simulated > surround sound. > 5. Running three 3.5mm stereo cables across my desk is > unacceptable. > > The Logitech Z-680 seems to mix some of the channels > together vs. discrete 6ch if you > use analog 6ch direct mode and PL-II mode sucks big > time, period. If I did use the 3 > patches, I'd still need an SPDIF for passing DVD audio > in digital (which also seems > broken on this card). > > Bottom line I want to use digital not analog to attach > to my speakers which means > DD5.1 like I had been doing for the past 5 years! Asus > could have saved me $50 by not > bundling this pile of shit with my mobo and I would > not be complaining now. > > Hayes Elkins wrote: >> >> If the material you are playing is not native DD/DTS > source material, I don't see the concern with it being > passed through spdif/toslink in its native 2.0 format > as long as your receiver or speaker system expands it > using PL-II or whatever matrix to get 5.1 out of your > speakers (if having a stero signal artifically > expanded to 5.1 is your cup of tea that is). DD live > and what your NV sound did was basically the same > thing, just at the sound card (earlier in the chain). >> >>> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:12 -0700 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for > the >>> soundcard that does encode it's >>> output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go >>> the analog route *OR* a way to >>> convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can >>> continue to use my Logitech Z-680 >>> speakers via toslink. > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
This is what I am finding for choices also, at a cost of $150+ of course. Greg Sevart wrote: > There are a good number of cards that can perform this now. The feature > you're looking for is "Dolby Digital Live" or, alternatively, "DTS Connect". > Cards that have those features can encode all output into either DD or DTS. > A growing number of motherboards even use onboard audio ICs that can do it > now--including most of Gigabyte's higher end boards. I used to use a card > that did this until I realize that all I really cared about was > pass-through. :) > > Auzentech makes several models you might look at. > > Greg > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
No concern? Then you are missing a few details about why Artificial DD5.1 (hell even 2.1) from 2.0 is valuable: 1. all four speakers get audio vs. 2 2. can set a low-pass filter on the subwoofer 3. all speakers levels are directly controllable, 4. can add a DSP effect if you really want simulated surround sound. 5. Running three 3.5mm stereo cables across my desk is unacceptable. The Logitech Z-680 seems to mix some of the channels together vs. discrete 6ch if you use analog 6ch direct mode and PL-II mode sucks big time, period. If I did use the 3 patches, I'd still need an SPDIF for passing DVD audio in digital (which also seems broken on this card). Bottom line I want to use digital not analog to attach to my speakers which means DD5.1 like I had been doing for the past 5 years! Asus could have saved me $50 by not bundling this pile of shit with my mobo and I would not be complaining now. Hayes Elkins wrote: > > If the material you are playing is not native DD/DTS source material, I don't see the concern with it being passed through spdif/toslink in its native 2.0 format as long as your receiver or speaker system expands it using PL-II or whatever matrix to get 5.1 out of your speakers (if having a stero signal artifically expanded to 5.1 is your cup of tea that is). DD live and what your NV sound did was basically the same thing, just at the sound card (earlier in the chain). > >> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:12 -0700 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for the >> soundcard that does encode it's >> output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go >> the analog route *OR* a way to >> convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can >> continue to use my Logitech Z-680 >> speakers via toslink. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
If the material you are playing is not native DD/DTS source material, I don't see the concern with it being passed through spdif/toslink in its native 2.0 format as long as your receiver or speaker system expands it using PL-II or whatever matrix to get 5.1 out of your speakers (if having a stero signal artifically expanded to 5.1 is your cup of tea that is). DD live and what your NV sound did was basically the same thing, just at the sound card (earlier in the chain). > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:12 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK > > Just got my new Intel Q6600 system assembled only to > find out that the old nvidia > soundstorm on the a7n8x I replaced was the only > chipset made that did DD via > toslink/spdif. =( > > Problem: Supreme FX II (AD1988B) soundcard that comes > with the Asus Rampage does not > do DD via toslink unless it's passing on pre-encoded > DD source. In other words unlike > the Soundstorm, it does not encode it's own output to > DD for the toslink connector > forcing use of the three 3.5 analog outs. Further, > using analog 6-ch direct, the > logitech Z-680 seem to be mixing some audio from front > or rear to the subwoofer which > is a bitch given how boomy the 680's sub is! > > Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for the > soundcard that does encode it's > output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go > the analog route *OR* a way to > convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can > continue to use my Logitech Z-680 > speakers via toslink. > > Audio aside, this thing rocks with a ATI 3870x2 and is > quiet & cool besides! Just > wish it had something as good as the old soundstorm, > bugs and all. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com _ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008
Re: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
There are a good number of cards that can perform this now. The feature you're looking for is "Dolby Digital Live" or, alternatively, "DTS Connect". Cards that have those features can encode all output into either DD or DTS. A growing number of motherboards even use onboard audio ICs that can do it now--including most of Gigabyte's higher end boards. I used to use a card that did this until I realize that all I really cared about was pass-through. :) Auzentech makes several models you might look at. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:23 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: [H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK > > Just got my new Intel Q6600 system assembled only to > find out that the old nvidia > soundstorm on the a7n8x I replaced was the only > chipset made that did DD via > toslink/spdif. =( > > Problem: Supreme FX II (AD1988B) soundcard that comes > with the Asus Rampage does not > do DD via toslink unless it's passing on pre-encoded > DD source. In other words unlike > the Soundstorm, it does not encode it's own output to > DD for the toslink connector > forcing use of the three 3.5 analog outs. Further, > using analog 6-ch direct, the > logitech Z-680 seem to be mixing some audio from front > or rear to the subwoofer which > is a bitch given how boomy the 680's sub is! > > Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for the > soundcard that does encode it's > output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go > the analog route *OR* a way to > convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can > continue to use my Logitech Z-680 > speakers via toslink. > > Audio aside, this thing rocks with a ATI 3870x2 and is > quiet & cool besides! Just > wish it had something as good as the old soundstorm, > bugs and all. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
[H] 6ch analog to Dolby Digital TOSLINK
Just got my new Intel Q6600 system assembled only to find out that the old nvidia soundstorm on the a7n8x I replaced was the only chipset made that did DD via toslink/spdif. =( Problem: Supreme FX II (AD1988B) soundcard that comes with the Asus Rampage does not do DD via toslink unless it's passing on pre-encoded DD source. In other words unlike the Soundstorm, it does not encode it's own output to DD for the toslink connector forcing use of the three 3.5 analog outs. Further, using analog 6-ch direct, the logitech Z-680 seem to be mixing some audio from front or rear to the subwoofer which is a bitch given how boomy the 680's sub is! Solution: Looking for a either a replacement for the soundcard that does encode it's output to toslink unto DD thus not forcing me to go the analog route *OR* a way to convert the 6-channel analog back into DD so I can continue to use my Logitech Z-680 speakers via toslink. Audio aside, this thing rocks with a ATI 3870x2 and is quiet & cool besides! Just wish it had something as good as the old soundstorm, bugs and all. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
