Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
One major issue with that review. They installed the Intel Matrix Storage driver which will disable TRIM in Windows 7. Also the way he was saying Intel has TRIM so it should be faster doesn't make sense, it only makes the drive faster after the drive has been used (i.e. it keeps the drive from slowing down over time) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
Are you sure that all implementations of Windows have TRIM support? I'm not so sure anymore (I never ways but now I'm in serious doubt about that claim). Rick posted this in another thread: Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier --- You might want to read the white paper. I wrote this in a message the other day: I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. In my bios, SATA AHCI support is turned off, thought my SSD is working now. So I assume Windows 7 must be using some other storage driver, though I have yet to figure out which (anyone know how?). I'm going to load up the SSD Toolbox and see what happens (gosh, I hope it doesnt erase my disc again!). On 1/8/2010 4:45 AM, Eli Allen wrote: One major issue with that review. They installed the Intel Matrix Storage driver which will disable TRIM in Windows 7. Also the way he was saying Intel has TRIM so it should be faster doesn't make sense, it only makes the drive faster after the drive has been used (i.e. it keeps the drive from slowing down over time) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
Windows 7 will always try to issue the trim command. That trim command to still work its way through other layers so if the driver it goes throsn't support trim the trim command will be dropped or ignored. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Are you sure that all implementations of Windows have TRIM support? I'm not so sure anymore (I never ways but now I'm in serious doubt about that claim). Rick posted this in another thread: Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier --- You might want to read the white paper. I wrote this in a message the other day: I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. In my bios, SATA AHCI support is turned off, thought my SSD is working now. So I assume Windows 7 must be using some other storage driver, though I have yet to figure out which (anyone know how?). I'm going to load up the SSD Toolbox and see what happens (gosh, I hope it doesnt erase my disc again!). On 1/8/2010 4:45 AM, Eli Allen wrote: One major issue with that review. They installed the Intel Matrix Storage driver which will disable TRIM in Windows 7. Also the way he was saying Intel has TRIM so it should be faster doesn't make sense, it only makes the drive faster after the drive has been used (i.e. it keeps the drive from slowing down over time) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
So, you're saying that Windows 7 supports TRIM, but my hardware may not allow it to work, right? then I need the Install SSD toolbox, right? On 1/8/2010 5:25 AM, Eli Allen wrote: Windows 7 will always try to issue the trim command. That trim command to still work its way through other layers so if the driver it goes throsn't support trim the trim command will be dropped or ignored. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Are you sure that all implementations of Windows have TRIM support? I'm not so sure anymore (I never ways but now I'm in serious doubt about that claim). Rick posted this in another thread: Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier --- You might want to read the white paper. I wrote this in a message the other day: I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. In my bios, SATA AHCI support is turned off, thought my SSD is working now. So I assume Windows 7 must be using some other storage driver, though I have yet to figure out which (anyone know how?). I'm going to load up the SSD Toolbox and see what happens (gosh, I hope it doesnt erase my disc again!). On 1/8/2010 4:45 AM, Eli Allen wrote: One major issue with that review. They installed the Intel Matrix Storage driver which will disable TRIM in Windows 7. Also the way he was saying Intel has TRIM so it should be faster doesn't make sense, it only makes the drive faster after the drive has been used (i.e. it keeps the drive from slowing down over time) On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
From another user on another list: Apparently, according to Fred Langa, the OS does make a difference: That's worth repeating: Right now, Win7 and Server 2008 are the only OSes that offer full, native support for trim.) See his paid version if you can. (Langa, Windows Secrets Newsletter.) He also said Linux has partial support. I don't want to try to be an information consolidator about things I don't use so I'll shut up now... Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin So, you're saying that Windows 7 supports TRIM, but my hardware may not allow it to work, right? then I need the Install SSD toolbox, right?
[H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
Thanks Lopaka! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
You're welcome. However, Lopaka is the other Martin on this list. On 1/7/2010 3:11 PM, Julian Zottl wrote: Thanks Lopaka! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
Duh! Sorry about that to both parties! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: You're welcome. However, Lopaka is the other Martin on this list. On 1/7/2010 3:11 PM, Julian Zottl wrote: Thanks Lopaka! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor
No problem here... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Julian Zottl jzo...@radiantnetworks.net Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:06:27 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Comparison of SSDs and VelociRaptor Duh! Sorry about that to both parties! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: You're welcome. However, Lopaka is the other Martin on this list. On 1/7/2010 3:11 PM, Julian Zottl wrote: Thanks Lopaka! Julian On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 02:35:00
