Re: [H] Hotmail?
Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
At 09:10 AM 4/26/2014, you wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. That is exactly what it is... just go along with the security and you will be fine. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Winterlight, Thanks for the share. Brian shared this prior. I'm clueless to it. I know M$ seeks a 'Security Code,' but I do not know what it is, and, as I can not log into Hotmail, I can not view my 'Profile' where something may be dorked up. Catch-22. I get it. Just a huge disappointment ATM. Duncan On 04/26/2014 12:32, Winterlight wrote: At 09:10 AM 4/26/2014, you wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. That is exactly what it is... just go along with the security and you will be fine. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;)
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Steve, What you share is what I am seeing also. I sort of consider the email addy I use here with the Collective to be my true/real email addy. As a general rulle I never use this addy with commercial/industrial links. That is what Hotmail is/was for. Back in March I started to try and take down another 'old' email account at Lycos.com (mailcity.com). Those folks are driving me crazy with 'supporting information' hoops to jump through. I never knew canceling an old free email account was this difficult. Old dogs can learn new tricks, I suppose. Thanks for the reply, Duncan On 04/26/2014 15:58, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause and does not work per my comprehension. I am 66. The other thing that may be happening is that you are locked out of your account, and Microsoft is trying to send you a code to verify that you are you by another means, like a second email account or a text to your phone. Maybe you had one of those set up on your account and forgot about it, or changed emails/phones? Tes, perhaps, but, per above, M$ is making this interchange damn neat impossible. In either case, I think maybe calling Microsoft might help. They should be able to rest your account, provided you can prove that you are you to them. Fine. Do you have a working phone number I can try next Monday afternoon? Thanks, Duncan On Saturday, April 26, 2014, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. I was too pissed yesterdy to reply. Now post a sleep, wakeup, and a cold beer, I've come just give up and let M$ just erase my old mid-1990's account and all the stored email. I suppose I am just disappointed that yet another block in the M$ 'wall of shame' is dorked up to me. I will speak to my ISP about a 2d email address for business/commercial use. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 01:53, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Actually, there is more to the story now. I tried to verify the account that had the sbcglobal address as verification. Naively, I figured I could go into settings, change the back email address then verify. Wrong. Everywhere I went, I couldn't change any of my settings without going through the verification. So I stepped through verification, giving them another email address to verify with. Surprise! Since I didn't give them the one in settings, they tell me that I have to wait 30 days for them to 'recover' my security settings. But wait, it says here that while I'm waiting, I can still access my emails. Whew! I use this hotmail account for just about everything (I've had this account since 1994). So I push forward, let them 'recover' my settings. Then another Surprise! I log in and now I can't access my email, despite what they said. I'm presented with a page that asks me if I 'remember' my security settings now and then I can cancel the 30 days. Well, it's not enough that I can remember the email address (which they ask for), they want to send an email to that address and nowhere is there a way to tell them that that address no longer exists. Well, I've held onto hotmail for 20 years, no longer, changing everybody over to gmail now. The one bright spot is that tbird can still download my email from that account. However, if anything goes to spam by mistake, I'm screwed, at least for the next 30 days. On 4/26/2014 7:03 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, What you share is what I am seeing also. I sort of consider the email addy I use here with the Collective to be my true/real email addy. As a general rulle I never use this addy with commercial/industrial links. That is what Hotmail is/was for. Back in March I started to try and take down another 'old' email account at Lycos.com (mailcity.com). Those folks are driving me crazy with 'supporting information' hoops to jump through. I never knew canceling an old free email account was this difficult. Old dogs can learn new tricks, I suppose. Thanks for the reply, Duncan On 04/26/2014 15:58, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account and when I go to log in it requires both a password and a one-time code generated by an app on my phone. I can set it so I don't need to re-enter the code on the same computer for 30 days. The advantage is that if someone gets my password, they still can't access my account without also having the second factor (in my case my phone). I understand your share. Perhaps true. They keep asking me for a 'Security Code.' But I do not know what it is! They do give me 3 ways to share this code: 1. A valid un...@nunyabizness.com (clueless!) 2. The last 4 digits of my phone number (no good) 3. A text file to something or other (I read a 'smartphone') In any case, the confusing additional logic they give gives me pause
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Steve, I apologize for somehow walking you into the same quicksand I found. Yes, I am ready to just walk away from M$/Hotmail. I will come back with questions about GMail. Yes, I do have some My Older Brother has a GMail account. I plan to speak with him also.Perhaps it is time for me to also join the 'force.' Again, Sorry for your new situation. I never intended for any of the Collective to repeat my behavior that got me into this stupid circular 'game.' At this point, I can freely walk away from Hotmail/Outlook/whatever and just let them choke on my stored email. I believe I have pretty much done an fwd to my (this) ISP addy. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 19:26, Steve Tomporowski wrote: Actually, there is more to the story now. I tried to verify the account that had the sbcglobal address as verification. Naively, I figured I could go into settings, change the back email address then verify. Wrong. Everywhere I went, I couldn't change any of my settings without going through the verification. So I stepped through verification, giving them another email address to verify with. Surprise! Since I didn't give them the one in settings, they tell me that I have to wait 30 days for them to 'recover' my security settings. But wait, it says here that while I'm waiting, I can still access my emails. Whew! I use this hotmail account for just about everything (I've had this account since 1994). So I push forward, let them 'recover' my settings. Then another Surprise! I log in and now I can't access my email, despite what they said. I'm presented with a page that asks me if I 'remember' my security settings now and then I can cancel the 30 days. Well, it's not enough that I can remember the email address (which they ask for), they want to send an email to that address and nowhere is there a way to tell them that that address no longer exists. Well, I've held onto hotmail for 20 years, no longer, changing everybody over to gmail now. The one bright spot is that tbird can still download my email from that account. However, if anything goes to spam by mistake, I'm screwed, at least for the next 30 days. On 4/26/2014 7:03 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, What you share is what I am seeing also. I sort of consider the email addy I use here with the Collective to be my true/real email addy. As a general rulle I never use this addy with commercial/industrial links. That is what Hotmail is/was for. Back in March I started to try and take down another 'old' email account at Lycos.com (mailcity.com). Those folks are driving me crazy with 'supporting information' hoops to jump through. I never knew canceling an old free email account was this difficult. Old dogs can learn new tricks, I suppose. Thanks for the reply, Duncan On 04/26/2014 15:58, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as are many others. Yes, this did occur to me; however, M$ usually announces pending changes well in advance of turning it on. I am aware that 'Hotmail' is now called Outlook.com, but I have been told to use my old Hotmail creds which no longer work. When you log in with a normal username and password, you are using something you know (ie your password) to prove your identity. A 2-factor system adds another type of verification, usually something you have (like a dongle that generates random keys) or something you are (like a fingerprint). For example, I have 2-factor enabled on my Gmail account
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Not your fault, Duncan, you don't work for Microsoft ;-). I've got this figured out now. The one big problem with Microsoft is that nothing they do is explained very well. Usually it's technically correct, but practically useless. Go ahead and set the 30 day 'recovery' on your hotmail account. You'll still be able to access your email from a browser. Again, it's not obvious, but when you log on and it admonishes your that your 30 days ain't up yet, just hit the next button and you're right into your inbox. My mistake not hitting the obvious button. Steve On 4/26/2014 8:43 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, I apologize for somehow walking you into the same quicksand I found. Yes, I am ready to just walk away from M$/Hotmail. I will come back with questions about GMail. Yes, I do have some My Older Brother has a GMail account. I plan to speak with him also.Perhaps it is time for me to also join the 'force.' Again, Sorry for your new situation. I never intended for any of the Collective to repeat my behavior that got me into this stupid circular 'game.' At this point, I can freely walk away from Hotmail/Outlook/whatever and just let them choke on my stored email. I believe I have pretty much done an fwd to my (this) ISP addy. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 19:26, Steve Tomporowski wrote: Actually, there is more to the story now. I tried to verify the account that had the sbcglobal address as verification. Naively, I figured I could go into settings, change the back email address then verify. Wrong. Everywhere I went, I couldn't change any of my settings without going through the verification. So I stepped through verification, giving them another email address to verify with. Surprise! Since I didn't give them the one in settings, they tell me that I have to wait 30 days for them to 'recover' my security settings. But wait, it says here that while I'm waiting, I can still access my emails. Whew! I use this hotmail account for just about everything (I've had this account since 1994). So I push forward, let them 'recover' my settings. Then another Surprise! I log in and now I can't access my email, despite what they said. I'm presented with a page that asks me if I 'remember' my security settings now and then I can cancel the 30 days. Well, it's not enough that I can remember the email address (which they ask for), they want to send an email to that address and nowhere is there a way to tell them that that address no longer exists. Well, I've held onto hotmail for 20 years, no longer, changing everybody over to gmail now. The one bright spot is that tbird can still download my email from that account. However, if anything goes to spam by mistake, I'm screwed, at least for the next 30 days. On 4/26/2014 7:03 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, What you share is what I am seeing also. I sort of consider the email addy I use here with the Collective to be my true/real email addy. As a general rulle I never use this addy with commercial/industrial links. That is what Hotmail is/was for. Back in March I started to try and take down another 'old' email account at Lycos.com (mailcity.com). Those folks are driving me crazy with 'supporting information' hoops to jump through. I never knew canceling an old free email account was this difficult. Old dogs can learn new tricks, I suppose. Thanks for the reply, Duncan On 04/26/2014 15:58, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will dig around and correct any bad links. I have been using the same 'Hotmail' link for the past 15 years! http://www.hotmail.com. Hmm. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 13:02, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, are you 100% certain you are going to https://outlook.com? Because there is no way the real Microsoft is going to send you to nunyabizness.com - Brian On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Thanks for the share. More inline below.. On 04/26/2014 12:10, Brian Weeden wrote: Duncan, it sounds like some sort of 2-factor authentication has been enabled on your account. It might be part of some new security procedures Microsoft is putting in place, as
Re: [H] Hotmail?
Steve, You are correct. I do not 'work' nowhere any longer. I am retired. I thought I borrowed enough smarts to get me to my ultimate 'dirt nap.' I agree with your share. I am sure the M$ is very good at communicating in-house with their 'literati,' but they always to not share with the common 'pond-scum' users. Sorry, I have nurtured this belief for many years. The ethos continues. Yes, Brian, I am looking at Ubuntuseriously again. I will force myself to suffer the 'learning curve!' I know that M$ and Google are locked in a warfor the hearts and minds of all of us netizens. Fine. I'd like to think I get it. Not too sure any longer. Thanks. Best, Duncan On 04/26/2014 20:50, Steve Tomporowski wrote: Not your fault, Duncan, you don't work for Microsoft ;-). I've got this figured out now. The one big problem with Microsoft is that nothing they do is explained very well. Usually it's technically correct, but practically useless. Go ahead and set the 30 day 'recovery' on your hotmail account. You'll still be able to access your email from a browser. Again, it's not obvious, but when you log on and it admonishes your that your 30 days ain't up yet, just hit the next button and you're right into your inbox. My mistake not hitting the obvious button. Steve On 4/26/2014 8:43 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, I apologize for somehow walking you into the same quicksand I found. Yes, I am ready to just walk away from M$/Hotmail. I will come back with questions about GMail. Yes, I do have some My Older Brother has a GMail account. I plan to speak with him also.Perhaps it is time for me to also join the 'force.' Again, Sorry for your new situation. I never intended for any of the Collective to repeat my behavior that got me into this stupid circular 'game.' At this point, I can freely walk away from Hotmail/Outlook/whatever and just let them choke on my stored email. I believe I have pretty much done an fwd to my (this) ISP addy. Thanks, Duncan On 04/26/2014 19:26, Steve Tomporowski wrote: Actually, there is more to the story now. I tried to verify the account that had the sbcglobal address as verification. Naively, I figured I could go into settings, change the back email address then verify. Wrong. Everywhere I went, I couldn't change any of my settings without going through the verification. So I stepped through verification, giving them another email address to verify with. Surprise! Since I didn't give them the one in settings, they tell me that I have to wait 30 days for them to 'recover' my security settings. But wait, it says here that while I'm waiting, I can still access my emails. Whew! I use this hotmail account for just about everything (I've had this account since 1994). So I push forward, let them 'recover' my settings. Then another Surprise! I log in and now I can't access my email, despite what they said. I'm presented with a page that asks me if I 'remember' my security settings now and then I can cancel the 30 days. Well, it's not enough that I can remember the email address (which they ask for), they want to send an email to that address and nowhere is there a way to tell them that that address no longer exists. Well, I've held onto hotmail for 20 years, no longer, changing everybody over to gmail now. The one bright spot is that tbird can still download my email from that account. However, if anything goes to spam by mistake, I'm screwed, at least for the next 30 days. On 4/26/2014 7:03 PM, DSinc wrote: Steve, What you share is what I am seeing also. I sort of consider the email addy I use here with the Collective to be my true/real email addy. As a general rulle I never use this addy with commercial/industrial links. That is what Hotmail is/was for. Back in March I started to try and take down another 'old' email account at Lycos.com (mailcity.com). Those folks are driving me crazy with 'supporting information' hoops to jump through. I never knew canceling an old free email account was this difficult. Old dogs can learn new tricks, I suppose. Thanks for the reply, Duncan On 04/26/2014 15:58, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I have two hotmail accounts. I rarely ever go to the hotmail (or microsoft or live or outlook or whatever it is this week), but have tbird pick up my mail. With this thread, I went to www.hotmail.com for both accounts, both of them required a 'verification'. Microsoft insisted that they send a code to my alternate (non-hotmail) email address. On my main account, the alternate email was extinct (an sbcglobal address, that's how long since I looked at my settings) so I delayed the verification by 7 days (M$ said it was REQUIRED in 7 days) but the other has been verified and back to normal. Steve On 4/26/2014 3:45 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I use hotmail. Nothing has changed for me, Duncan. On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Brian, Great question. I will
[H] Hotmail?
What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? Thanks, Duncan
Re: [H] Hotmail?
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:23:37PM -0400, DSinc wrote: What is up with Microsoft Hotmail/Outlook.com? My long old uname/pw creds no longer work; and I get sent to some page that requests a 'security code.' I am clueless how to proceed, but it appears that something will happen on 5/14/14 if I don't do something. Has M$ been hacked? I don't know but i'd honestly not use that ;) -- Bryan G. Seitz
