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FWIW, look into XXcopy next time... And the long filename problem active users sometimes have with Xcopy. 8.3 conversions are done on the fly (with Xcopy) , and that can later cause internal path problems in certain cases... Rick Glazier From: Joe User That did the trick. Up and running on the new drive.
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At 12:07 PM 18/01/2008, Wayne Johnson wrote: At 10:36 AM 1/18/2008, Joe User typed: I had no idea, thanks for the heads up. Rick I have a playful war over xcopy vs xxcopy but in all honesty xxcopy helps when you have multiple sub-folders under Program Files that start out with the same name like Microsoft this or that or Norton this or that as their short file names paths could get twixed up with the plain old xcopy. XXcopy keeps the short file names paths straight. And xxcopy has a lot of features that xcopy doesn't. Well worth the price. T
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Hello Rick, Friday, January 18, 2008, 6:15:31 AM, you wrote: FWIW, look into XXcopy next time... And the long filename problem active users sometimes have with Xcopy. 8.3 conversions are done on the fly (with Xcopy) , and that can later cause internal path problems in certain cases... I had no idea, thanks for the heads up. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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I guess I've brought Wayne back from the dark side... (Just kidding, but every time xcopy comes up, I pop-up this same warning... It is a YMMV type thing, and some people NEVER have this problem.) What happens is: (and this can happen anywhere), First you have 123456~1.exe and 123456~2.exe You uninstall the long version of 123456~1.exe (So that is no longer in use...) Then you do an xcopy. 123456~2.exe BECOMES the short filename 123456~1.exe Internally, Windoze sometimes uses short filenames. Some older programs also rely on them. (Ever remember getting an odd looking error message about a short file name path being gone/lost . That is the simple version... Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... At 10:36 AM 1/18/2008, Joe User typed: I had no idea, thanks for the heads up. Rick I have a playful war over xcopy vs xxcopy but in all honesty xxcopy helps when you have multiple sub-folders under Program Files that start out with the same name like Microsoft this or that or Norton this or that as their short file names paths could get twixed up with the plain old xcopy. XXcopy keeps the short file names paths straight. ---+-- I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
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Hello Rick, Friday, January 18, 2008, 10:47:47 AM, you wrote: I liked it when it was free, and basically never use either... Maybe I got one of their ten user licenses for a beta deals... I never knew I was pushing a paid product... I do it the way JoeU eventually got around to, a partition copy or a drive copy with an Imaging program that can re-size at the same time... (Currently Acronis.) Rick Glazier I mainly use the xcopy for emergency backups. If I know my friend Wavijo I probably have xxcopy disc'd somewhere, so I will definitely use that down the road if I can't get an image or something. Like Lopaka suggested I just reduced the size of my partitions, which wasn't a problem since I had plenty of free space and then I use Drive Image to copy them over. I know that I have Acronis here, but I have always used DI and PM from powerquest and now Symantec and until they screw it up really bad (frack MS .net but eh...) I'm O.K. with it. I was just going to whack out the 98 partition anyway if push came to shove, I don't use this system to game on anymore, in fact - this is my 4th generation game system. That is, I have three other system that have been or are being used for games. So, losing 98 wasn't the end of the world. Weird thing though on this system, when it goes into DOS mode (full screen) this includes when it BSOD's - my screen just stays powered but it's blank and the refresh rate is weird as hell... 31kHz/69Hz normally (like right now in windows) it's 91kHz/85Hz. However, on other systems I can full screen my DOS window and it displays fine with a 31kHz/70Hz. I can't figure this out... -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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I liked it when it was free, and basically never use either... Maybe I got one of their ten user licenses for a beta deals... I never knew I was pushing a paid product... I do it the way JoeU eventually got around to, a partition copy or a drive copy with an Imaging program that can re-size at the same time... (Currently Acronis.) Rick Glazier From: Thane Sherrington And xxcopy has a lot of features that xcopy doesn't. Well worth the price.
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Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb split in half with a FAT32 Win98 install on C: (First half of drive) and a NTFS WinXP Pro install on E: (Second half of the drive) AND the new one is a 20GB. Size isn't the same so Drive Image won't do a copy disk to disk for me. No worries, I think, I partition the 20GB in FAT32 the first 40% and NTFS the last 60%. I copy the data over (again). I make sure boot.ini (on first partition) and ntdetect.com and all that are there on that 98 partition and all that. They are exactly the same. So I pull the system swpa the drive and put the 20GB in the (failing?) 30gb spot and jumper them etc. I mark the 20GB drive active with 98 disk AND do a fixmbr and fixboot with XP and still the drive will only boot to 98. If I mark the NTFS/XP partition it just sits blinking cursor - no boot menu - no nothing. WTF am I missing here? Is there a program that can query SMART error messages? I would really like to know what is wrong with the drive because it's still just chugging along here. Thank god the bios allows me to boot from scsi devices. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb split in half with a FAT32 Win98 install on C: (First half of drive) and a NTFS WinXP Pro install on E: (Second half of the drive) AND the new one is a 20GB. Size isn't the same so Drive Image won't do a copy disk to disk for me. No worries, I think, I partition the 20GB in FAT32 the first 40% and NTFS the last 60%. I copy the data over (again). I make sure boot.ini (on first partition) and ntdetect.com and all that are there on that 98 partition and all that. They are exactly the same. So I pull the system swpa the drive and put the 20GB in the (failing?) 30gb spot and jumper them etc. I mark the 20GB drive active with 98 disk AND do a fixmbr and fixboot with XP and still the drive will only boot to 98. If I mark the NTFS/XP partition it just sits blinking cursor - no boot menu - no nothing. WTF am I missing here? Is there a program that can query SMART error messages? I would really like to know what is wrong with the drive because it's still just chugging along here. Thank god the bios allows me to boot from scsi devices. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Tim, I agree with your experience. But, I am confused a bit. You mention ...Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another Sounds appropriate. But, I always thought that a drive's Servo Tracks are recorded at Mfg. AND that the head used to process the Servo Track was always READ Only. The Servo head can never, ever Write (erase) the Servo tracks. I always thought that the servo tracks were laser burned/encoded to make them as permanent as possible. Perhaps I am still a bit too old-school! Do you mean that the Servo Read head could be getting flakey? I do recall that if the Servo Read head ever crashed, the whole drive was toast! Really do like your 3 rules! LOL! Just wondering.. :) Best, Duncan At 10:53 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb split in half with a FAT32 Win98 install on C: (First half of drive) and a NTFS WinXP Pro install on E: (Second half of the drive) AND the new one is a 20GB. Size isn't the same so Drive Image won't do a copy disk to disk for me. No worries, I think, I partition the 20GB in FAT32 the first 40% and NTFS the last 60%. I copy the data over (again). I make sure boot.ini (on first partition) and ntdetect.com and all that are there on that 98 partition and all that. They are exactly the same. So I pull the system swpa the drive and put the 20GB in the (failing?) 30gb spot and jumper them etc. I mark the 20GB drive active with 98 disk AND do a fixmbr and fixboot with XP and still the drive will only boot to 98. If I mark the NTFS/XP partition it just sits blinking cursor - no boot menu - no nothing. WTF am I missing here? Is there a program that can query SMART error messages? I would really like to know what is wrong with the drive because it's still just chugging along here. Thank god the bios allows me to boot from scsi devices. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Hello Tim, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 12:53:33 PM, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Yeah, I didn't mess around. I backed up - twice actually. Now if I can just get the replacement drive to boot properly. It's the dual boot thing that's giving me grief. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Hello, What program you use to duplicate it? Also, make sure you have a copy of sector 0 to get the dual booting working. Regards and good luck, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:08 AM To: The Beave Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello Tim, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 12:53:33 PM, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Yeah, I didn't mess around. I backed up - twice actually. Now if I can just get the replacement drive to boot properly. It's the dual boot thing that's giving me grief. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Servo tracks are not red only. Parts of them are changed on a constant basis, such as the growing bad sector list, etc. The servo tracks are written normally like regular data on the media surface. The permanent components of the servo are sometimes written to the Processor or CMOS of the hard drive. Servo tracks are spread across all sides of the hard drive so the sides can sync with each other for optimum performance. Hard Drives are quite complicated when you look at the actual components and whats actually written to the media surface. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:25 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... Tim, I agree with your experience. But, I am confused a bit. You mention ...Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another Sounds appropriate. But, I always thought that a drive's Servo Tracks are recorded at Mfg. AND that the head used to process the Servo Track was always READ Only. The Servo head can never, ever Write (erase) the Servo tracks. I always thought that the servo tracks were laser burned/encoded to make them as permanent as possible. Perhaps I am still a bit too old-school! Do you mean that the Servo Read head could be getting flakey? I do recall that if the Servo Read head ever crashed, the whole drive was toast! Really do like your 3 rules! LOL! Just wondering.. :) Best, Duncan At 10:53 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb split in half with a FAT32 Win98 install on C: (First half of drive) and a NTFS WinXP Pro install on E: (Second half of the drive) AND the new one is a 20GB. Size isn't the same so Drive Image won't do a copy disk to disk for me. No worries, I think, I partition the 20GB in FAT32 the first 40% and NTFS the last 60%. I copy the data over (again). I make sure boot.ini (on first partition) and ntdetect.com and all that are there on that 98 partition and all that. They are exactly the same. So I pull the system swpa the drive and put the 20GB in the (failing?) 30gb spot and jumper them etc. I mark the 20GB drive active with 98 disk AND do a fixmbr and fixboot with XP and still the drive will only boot to 98. If I mark the NTFS/XP partition it just sits blinking cursor - no boot menu - no nothing. WTF am I missing here? Is there a program that can query SMART error messages? I would really like to know what
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Tim, Thanks for your explanation. Your explanation is truly scary, but, does explain many of the subtle hd errors we now see. Suspect there is logic to the madness, though I do not see it yet. I suppose I need to go back to school again. Modern hd's are just so much PFM any more! Thanks. It was so easy with the BK8-A2A, 5-platter removable, 80MB drive! LOL! Best, Duncan At 12:02 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Servo tracks are not red only. Parts of them are changed on a constant basis, such as the growing bad sector list, etc. The servo tracks are written normally like regular data on the media surface. The permanent components of the servo are sometimes written to the Processor or CMOS of the hard drive. Servo tracks are spread across all sides of the hard drive so the sides can sync with each other for optimum performance. Hard Drives are quite complicated when you look at the actual components and whats actually written to the media surface. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:25 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... Tim, I agree with your experience. But, I am confused a bit. You mention ...Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another Sounds appropriate. But, I always thought that a drive's Servo Tracks are recorded at Mfg. AND that the head used to process the Servo Track was always READ Only. The Servo head can never, ever Write (erase) the Servo tracks. I always thought that the servo tracks were laser burned/encoded to make them as permanent as possible. Perhaps I am still a bit too old-school! Do you mean that the Servo Read head could be getting flakey? I do recall that if the Servo Read head ever crashed, the whole drive was toast! Really do like your 3 rules! LOL! Just wondering.. :) Best, Duncan At 10:53 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb split in half with a FAT32 Win98 install on C: (First half of drive) and a NTFS WinXP Pro install on E: (Second half of the drive) AND the new one is a 20GB. Size isn't the same so Drive Image won't do a copy disk to disk for me. No worries, I think, I partition the 20GB in FAT32 the first 40% and NTFS the last 60%. I copy the data over (again). I make sure boot.ini (on first partition) and ntdetect.com and all that are there on that 98 partition and all that. They are exactly the same. So I pull
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With progress things change. Think about all the stuff the Manufactures like to stuff into the servo tracks. Man, sometimes there 32 tracks large. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:57 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... Tim, Thanks for your explanation. Your explanation is truly scary, but, does explain many of the subtle hd errors we now see. Suspect there is logic to the madness, though I do not see it yet. I suppose I need to go back to school again. Modern hd's are just so much PFM any more! Thanks. It was so easy with the BK8-A2A, 5-platter removable, 80MB drive! LOL! Best, Duncan At 12:02 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Servo tracks are not red only. Parts of them are changed on a constant basis, such as the growing bad sector list, etc. The servo tracks are written normally like regular data on the media surface. The permanent components of the servo are sometimes written to the Processor or CMOS of the hard drive. Servo tracks are spread across all sides of the hard drive so the sides can sync with each other for optimum performance. Hard Drives are quite complicated when you look at the actual components and whats actually written to the media surface. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:25 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I'm losin' it... Tim, I agree with your experience. But, I am confused a bit. You mention ...Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another Sounds appropriate. But, I always thought that a drive's Servo Tracks are recorded at Mfg. AND that the head used to process the Servo Track was always READ Only. The Servo head can never, ever Write (erase) the Servo tracks. I always thought that the servo tracks were laser burned/encoded to make them as permanent as possible. Perhaps I am still a bit too old-school! Do you mean that the Servo Read head could be getting flakey? I do recall that if the Servo Read head ever crashed, the whole drive was toast! Really do like your 3 rules! LOL! Just wondering.. :) Best, Duncan At 10:53 01/17/2008 -0800, you wrote: Most SMART errors are letting you know the drive will fail. There is an ANSI standard for the Errors you receive. I forget where I used to get the codes. Now a days I just get the drive duplicated as soon as possible. IMO, most SMART problems are due to the Track 0 (Servo Tracks) are being destroyed for some reason or another. You are unable to repair those sectors, it has valuable servo information about your unique hard drive. On the other hand it could be a CC error in the Upper area as well that's creating the error. I would still duplicate it and get it replaced. Rule 1: Back the data up Rule 2: See rule one Rule 3: No Backup, cry and look for ways to get it back. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:31 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] I'm losin' it... Hello, I think I am losing it. I have a Maxtor drive that *may* be going out on me. I came in to see my WinXP Pro SP2 machine with a powered monitor but all black screen (It should have been on power save). System was (i think) not responding. So I reboot and then come back later to the same thing. So I go through the event viewer and see this: Event Type: Warning Event Source: Disk Event Category: None Event ID: 52 Date: 1/17/2008 Time: 2:24:02 AM User: N/A Computer: VENUS Description: The driver has detected that device \Device\Harddisk0\DR0 has predicted that it will fail. Immediately back up your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. Data: : 0e 00 03 00 01 00 5e 00 ..^. 0008: 00 00 00 00 34 00 04 80 4..? 0010: 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0018: 00 00 00 00 00 11 2d 00 ..-. 0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0028: 00 00 00 ... So I already know that SMART isn't *always* smart but I start xcopy'ing everything nonetheless. I grab my famous PROGRAMS DISCS and start loading Partition Magic and Drive Image. I pick another drive in this same system (there are 4 physical drives - 2 on Promise 100 card) and xcopy both partition on the drive over to this new(ish) one. I have to do this because the original and possibly failing drive is a 30gb
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Hello Robert, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 3:27:02 PM, you wrote: I recently moved a OS partition to a smaller drive using partition magic and was surprised that it actually worked without any problems. I did a direct copy partition and it sized the partion down automatically. Neither drive had enough free space to use driveimage (my preference) lopaka Oh DUH - I never even considered that. Might do the trick. Thanks! -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Hello Tim, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:18:22 PM, you wrote: Hello, What program you use to duplicate it? Also, make sure you have a copy of sector 0 to get the dual booting working. I was going to use Drive Image but I can't since the original drive is larger then the newer drive - so I just used xcopy and tried fdisk, fixboot and fixmbr. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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I recently moved a OS partition to a smaller drive using partition magic and was surprised that it actually worked without any problems. I did a direct copy partition and it sized the partion down automatically. Neither drive had enough free space to use driveimage (my preference) lopaka Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tim, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 1:18:22 PM, you wrote: Hello, What program you use to duplicate it? Also, make sure you have a copy of sector 0 to get the dual booting working. I was going to use Drive Image but I can't since the original drive is larger then the newer drive - so I just used xcopy and tried fdisk, fixboot and fixmbr. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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Hello Robert, Thursday, January 17, 2008, 3:27:02 PM, you wrote: I recently moved a OS partition to a smaller drive using partition magic and was surprised that it actually worked without any problems. I did a direct copy partition and it sized the partion down automatically. Neither drive had enough free space to use driveimage (my preference) lopaka That did the trick. Up and running on the new drive. Thanks again. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
