Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[maccrawj]

Well, enjoy it's Apple goodness, the cool-aid is especially strong it would 
seem.

You could manage a Zen with most anything including iTunes FWIW.


Ben Ruset wrote:
Well, like I said, back when I had my Creative Zen the number one reason 
why I ditched it was because I preferred to use iTunes.


iTunes, even outside of the scope of my iPod is great for managing my 
music, tagging things, adding album artwork, and streaming music around 
my house.


I can appreciate why other people may not like it. It's too easy to use.

maccrawj wrote:
You buy the player = they get you money! iTunes is just an additional 
insult.


Can't say MM is or not a clone of iTunes, but not being iTunes is a 
great start. MM is a library program & supports export using playlist 
methodolgy. Drag & Drop is already available wih the Creative Explorer 
which I use in a pinch,

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Ben Ruset]

Well, like I said, back when I had my Creative Zen the number one reason 
why I ditched it was because I preferred to use iTunes.


iTunes, even outside of the scope of my iPod is great for managing my 
music, tagging things, adding album artwork, and streaming music around 
my house.


I can appreciate why other people may not like it. It's too easy to use.

maccrawj wrote:
You buy the player = they get you money! iTunes is just an additional 
insult.


Can't say MM is or not a clone of iTunes, but not being iTunes is a 
great start. MM is a library program & supports export using playlist 
methodolgy. Drag & Drop is already available wih the Creative Explorer 
which I use in a pinch,

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[maccrawj]

You buy the player = they get you money! iTunes is just an additional insult.

Can't say MM is or not a clone of iTunes, but not being iTunes is a great start. MM 
is a library program & supports export using playlist methodolgy. Drag & Drop is 
already available wih the Creative Explorer which I use in a pinch,


Ben Ruset wrote:
1. What do you mean? How is it getting into my wallet if I can use my 
own ripped MP3's, or buy them from Amazon and have them show up in 
iTunes automatically? And what do you mean getting it's mits into my 
machine?


2. I can't speak for the Vision W, but the Vision M I had was atrocious. 
 The controls were horrible, and the one thing that it had over the iPod 
that I wanted - the FM radio - was so bad that it couldn't get a clear 
FM signal from New York stations while actually in Manhattan.


3. and 4. don't really apply to me since, even when I ran Windows, I had 
no burning desire to drag and drop MP3's to my iPod via Explorer, and 
Mediamonkey just seemed like a clone of iTunes.


maccrawj wrote:
1. FUD, iTunes is garbage BECAUSE it is apples product getting it's 
mits into your wallet & machine.
2. Nothing wrong with Creative Zen Vision W vs. iPod, better IMO since 
ZVW has bigger screen and most certainly is not "crap".
3. It can be "managed" simply with Explorer or MediaMonkey, likely 
just like iPod can be.

4. MediaMonkey is a damn good app that leaves me wanting nothing more

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Ben Ruset]

1. What do you mean? How is it getting into my wallet if I can use my 
own ripped MP3's, or buy them from Amazon and have them show up in 
iTunes automatically? And what do you mean getting it's mits into my 
machine?


2. I can't speak for the Vision W, but the Vision M I had was atrocious. 
 The controls were horrible, and the one thing that it had over the 
iPod that I wanted - the FM radio - was so bad that it couldn't get a 
clear FM signal from New York stations while actually in Manhattan.


3. and 4. don't really apply to me since, even when I ran Windows, I had 
no burning desire to drag and drop MP3's to my iPod via Explorer, and 
Mediamonkey just seemed like a clone of iTunes.


maccrawj wrote:
1. FUD, iTunes is garbage BECAUSE it is apples product getting it's mits 
into your wallet & machine.
2. Nothing wrong with Creative Zen Vision W vs. iPod, better IMO since 
ZVW has bigger screen and most certainly is not "crap".
3. It can be "managed" simply with Explorer or MediaMonkey, likely just 
like iPod can be.

4. MediaMonkey is a damn good app that leaves me wanting nothing more

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[maccrawj]

1. FUD, iTunes is garbage BECAUSE it is apples product getting it's mits into your 
wallet & machine.
2. Nothing wrong with Creative Zen Vision W vs. iPod, better IMO since ZVW has bigger 
screen and most certainly is not "crap".

3. It can be "managed" simply with Explorer or MediaMonkey, likely just like 
iPod can be.
4. MediaMonkey is a damn good app that leaves me wanting nothing more

Ben Ruset wrote:
I don't get why people hate on iTunes so much. The interface is dead 
easy to use and the software works great. If you don't want to buy media 
with Apple DRM then either buy DRM free stuff from iTunes or buy from 
Amazon. When you buy from Amazon it automatically ends up in your iTunes 
library.


iTunes is *not* *bad* *software.*

If you absolutely HATE it and CAN NOT USE iTunes then use MediaMonkey 
which is free and does what iTunes does, just not as well (imho.)


Or, don't buy an iPod. I had a Creative Zen Vision:M and besides it 
being a complete piece of crap, using Windows Media to manage it was 
terrible. Ugh!


Brian Weeden wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm 
pretty

sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes 
(unless

you do some illegal stuff).

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Brian Weeden]

Media Monkey is good, used it with my ipod until I got my iPhone (which
requires iTunes for lots of stuff).

And the reports are that WMP 12 is going to have some significant
improvements:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081030-hands-on-windows-media-player-12s-surprising-new-features.html

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:15 AM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> still running on 30 day trial, will look into media monkey
> yes all we have is in media player
> some really old, de je vue 60's for me 8-)
> fp
> thanks
>
> At 08:21 PM 10/29/2008, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
> >Is the problem that you already had your library in Windows Media player?
> Because Media Monkey would have worked fine for syncing your ipod and is
> free.
> >
> >FORC5 wrote:
> >>downloaded a 30 day trial plug in
> >>http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/
> >>works perfectly
> >>worth $20 I think
> >>time will tell, right now everything in the puter has been in sync ,
> >>thanks
> >>fp
> >
> >--
> >Tallyho ! ]:8)
> >Taglines below !
> >--
> >Dios tarda pero no olvida.
>
>

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[FORC5]

still running on 30 day trial, will look into media monkey
yes all we have is in media player
some really old, de je vue 60's for me 8-)
fp
thanks

At 08:21 PM 10/29/2008, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
>Is the problem that you already had your library in Windows Media player? 
>Because Media Monkey would have worked fine for syncing your ipod and is free.
>
>FORC5 wrote:
>>downloaded a 30 day trial plug in
>>http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/
>>works perfectly
>>worth $20 I think
>>time will tell, right now everything in the puter has been in sync , 
>>thanks
>>fp
>
>-- 
>Tallyho ! ]:8)
>Taglines below !
>--
>Dios tarda pero no olvida.

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Alex]

I just got a Zen X-Fi 16gb, works well, plug n play, drag n drop device
recognition, don't need to install and use any software or evn choose to use
Windows Media Player.

better than the ipods I've used lately, I just hate what itunes has turned
into.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:48 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] need iPod help ?

I don't get why people hate on iTunes so much. The interface is dead 
easy to use and the software works great. If you don't want to buy media 
with Apple DRM then either buy DRM free stuff from iTunes or buy from 
Amazon. When you buy from Amazon it automatically ends up in your iTunes 
library.

iTunes is *not* *bad* *software.*

If you absolutely HATE it and CAN NOT USE iTunes then use MediaMonkey 
which is free and does what iTunes does, just not as well (imho.)

Or, don't buy an iPod. I had a Creative Zen Vision:M and besides it 
being a complete piece of crap, using Windows Media to manage it was 
terrible. Ugh!

Brian Weeden wrote:
> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
> solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
> program (like Poddox <http://www.poddox.com/>).  But either way I'm pretty
> sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
> anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
> you do some illegal stuff).

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Ben Ruset]

Is the problem that you already had your library in Windows Media 
player? Because Media Monkey would have worked fine for syncing your 
ipod and is free.


FORC5 wrote:

downloaded a 30 day trial plug in
http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/

works perfectly
worth $20 I think

time will tell, right now everything in the puter has been in sync , 


thanks
fp

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Ben Ruset]

I mean, why would I not care to play in Apple's universe? I have an 
iPhone, the iTunes software plays nice with it. It's easy to use. Does a 
damn good job of organizing my media, makes tagging very easy, makes 
ripping a CD very easy, and generally is so simple even my wife and her 
parents can use it.


As for it being bloated, well, again it only runs if I am listening to a 
MP3 or syncing my phone. I have 4GB of RAM in my Macbook Pro, and to be 
honest it ran just as good when I had 2GB in it, and also just as good 
as when I was running it in Windows.


As for the Safari on Windows fiasco, sure, I'll give you that but if 
we're just talking about our personal media player user experience, it's 
not bad at all.


Brian Weeden wrote:

I use iTunes with my iPhone and don't consider it that bad, as long as you
play in Apple's universe.  And microsoft is just as bad with the Zune and
the whole PlaysForSure crap.

iTunes has gotten worse and more bloated over the years.  And Apple is
adopting some microsoft tactics like auto-selecting Safari for install
everytime the little iTunes updater pops up.

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[FORC5]

downloaded a 30 day trial plug in
http://www.mgtek.com/dopisp/

works perfectly
worth $20 I think

time will tell, right now everything in the puter has been in sync , 

thanks
fp

At 07:06 PM 10/29/2008, FORC5 Poked the stick with:
>thanks, should of done homework first.
>did find some sw that claim to allow sync with ipod but itunes is a free dl ( 
>I think ) ? Will itunes allow me to use my existing library of mp3's ?
>
>thanks again.
>DRM
>bummer.
>
>Never expected this. Have a customer box with itunes installed, may hook up to 
>it and see wtf b4 I make a decision. 
>fp
>
>At 06:43 PM 10/29/2008, Brian Weeden Poked the stick with:
>>Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
>>solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
>>program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm pretty
>>sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
>>anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
>>you do some illegal stuff).
>>
>>---
>>Brian Weeden
>>Technical Consultant
>>Secure World Foundation 
>>+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
>>+1 (202) 683-8534 US
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bought my son a iPod to find out does not play with windows media player,
>>> unless I use itunes sw or buy a plug in.
>>>
>>> Any other options ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> fp
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tallyho ! ]:8)
>>> Taglines below !
>>> --
>>> Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.
>>>
>>>
>
>-- 
>Tallyho ! ]:8)
>Taglines below !
>--
>Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Happy as a hog eating cow manure -- well lick my lips!

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Brian Weeden]

Yep.  iTunes is good with mp3s and most other non-DRM music formats (not
sure about FLAC).  But it won't work with DRM'd wma files.

My collection is almost 100% mp3s and I use iTunes, works pretty well for
me.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:06 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> thanks, should of done homework first.
> did find some sw that claim to allow sync with ipod but itunes is a free dl
> ( I think ) ? Will itunes allow me to use my existing library of mp3's ?
>
> thanks again.
> DRM
> bummer.
>
> Never expected this. Have a customer box with itunes installed, may hook up
> to it and see wtf b4 I make a decision.
> fp
>
> At 06:43 PM 10/29/2008, Brian Weeden Poked the stick with:
> >Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
> >solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
> >program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm
> pretty
> >sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
> >anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
> >you do some illegal stuff).
> >
> >---
> >Brian Weeden
> >Technical Consultant
> >Secure World Foundation 
> >+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> >+1 (202) 683-8534 US
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Bought my son a iPod to find out does not play with windows media
> player,
> >> unless I use itunes sw or buy a plug in.
> >>
> >> Any other options ?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> fp
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> >> Taglines below !
> >> --
> >> Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.
>
>

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[FORC5]

thanks, should of done homework first.
did find some sw that claim to allow sync with ipod but itunes is a free dl ( I 
think ) ? Will itunes allow me to use my existing library of mp3's ?

thanks again.
DRM
bummer.

Never expected this. Have a customer box with itunes installed, may hook up to 
it and see wtf b4 I make a decision. 
fp

At 06:43 PM 10/29/2008, Brian Weeden Poked the stick with:
>Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
>solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
>program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm pretty
>sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
>anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
>you do some illegal stuff).
>
>---
>Brian Weeden
>Technical Consultant
>Secure World Foundation 
>+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
>+1 (202) 683-8534 US
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Bought my son a iPod to find out does not play with windows media player,
>> unless I use itunes sw or buy a plug in.
>>
>> Any other options ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> fp
>>
>> --
>> Tallyho ! ]:8)
>> Taglines below !
>> --
>> Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.
>>
>>

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Brian Weeden]

I use iTunes with my iPhone and don't consider it that bad, as long as you
play in Apple's universe.  And microsoft is just as bad with the Zune and
the whole PlaysForSure crap.

iTunes has gotten worse and more bloated over the years.  And Apple is
adopting some microsoft tactics like auto-selecting Safari for install
everytime the little iTunes updater pops up.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't get why people hate on iTunes so much. The interface is dead easy
> to use and the software works great. If you don't want to buy media with
> Apple DRM then either buy DRM free stuff from iTunes or buy from Amazon.
> When you buy from Amazon it automatically ends up in your iTunes library.
>
> iTunes is *not* *bad* *software.*
>
> If you absolutely HATE it and CAN NOT USE iTunes then use MediaMonkey which
> is free and does what iTunes does, just not as well (imho.)
>
> Or, don't buy an iPod. I had a Creative Zen Vision:M and besides it being a
> complete piece of crap, using Windows Media to manage it was terrible. Ugh!
>
> Brian Weeden wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
>> solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
>> program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm
>> pretty
>> sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
>> anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
>> you do some illegal stuff).
>>
>

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Ben Ruset]

I don't get why people hate on iTunes so much. The interface is dead 
easy to use and the software works great. If you don't want to buy media 
with Apple DRM then either buy DRM free stuff from iTunes or buy from 
Amazon. When you buy from Amazon it automatically ends up in your iTunes 
library.


iTunes is *not* *bad* *software.*

If you absolutely HATE it and CAN NOT USE iTunes then use MediaMonkey 
which is free and does what iTunes does, just not as well (imho.)


Or, don't buy an iPod. I had a Creative Zen Vision:M and besides it 
being a complete piece of crap, using Windows Media to manage it was 
terrible. Ugh!


Brian Weeden wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm pretty
sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
you do some illegal stuff).

Re: [H] need iPod help ?

[Brian Weeden]

Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and competing monopolies.  You only
solution is to live in Apple's world (ie use iTunes) or go with another
program (like Poddox ).  But either way I'm pretty
sure you can't use windows media player, and positive that if you buy
anything from the iTunes store you can't play it outside of iTunes (unless
you do some illegal stuff).

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:39 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bought my son a iPod to find out does not play with windows media player,
> unless I use itunes sw or buy a plug in.
>
> Any other options ?
>
> Thanks
> fp
>
> --
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.
>
>

[H] need iPod help ?

[FORC5]

Bought my son a iPod to find out does not play with windows media player, 
unless I use itunes sw or buy a plug in.

Any other options ?

Thanks
fp

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Often the test of courage is not to die but to live.