Re: [H] Server died again #5
Greg,
I would be like to answer. Fact is I do not know what my rebuild rate is.
Old records I have for 2004 show that a rebuild took about 5hrs and change
for about 23GB.
[Obs#1]
ATM, I think I now see a complete meltdown. While the bios level SMOR shows
me that the 2 old drives are optimal and that the new Quantum drive is
also optimal, the bios SMOR command Rebuild does not seem to do anything.
(yes, thinking bad A-3200S controller!)
[Obs#2]
The controller, 3200S, does not seem to add the new drive to the current
array. Perhaps because it reads the new drive as 'smaller' than the
remaining 2 drives of the old array. When Post gets to the I20 portion
(raid), I now see what looks suspiciously like 2 separate arrays.?
Controller: 0xFA00 IRQ7 3200S FW320P
Drive: 0 (0,5,0) QuantumAtlas10k3_18_SCA fw=120P
c:2213 h:255 s:63 16.96GB
Drive: 1 (0,6,0) Adaptec COSMO (the name I assigned to the array!) fw=320P
c:4462 h:255 s:63 34.18GB {this equates to the 2x IBM 18.4GB old drives}
If I let POST complete, I now get the black screen w/blinking cursor and
msg: Operating System not found. {I read this to confirm that NO Rebuild
has taken place in the past 22hrs! And/or the 3200S is truly dead!}
[Obs#3]
I have tried to do a Repair W2KServer install 3 times now. Each fails
indicating Repair can not find a hard drive/volume to use.
I accept this as I may be Toast; as you suggested before! No harm, no foul.
[Obs#4]
I have been to the Repair Console. I have tried both FixBoot and FixMbr.
While both seem to work and may be trying to do something, I see no
improvement. Suspect this is because the array is still not whole/back
together?
I am now ready to just spend Saturday afternoon putting my original U160
cable back in, and, using Create to start all over at square
one. :)
unless there may some last test to try.?
[Obs#5]
..I do have enough new Quantum drives to just replace all the drives
and just try and Create/Build a new array to prove this 3200S actually can
do this task. If not, it is clear that the 3200S is indeed Toast!
And then, I can lick my wounds, and, plan for a new server case, SATA
controller, and, cheaper drives. :)
Is this a good test? Time is not an issue; I have lots of time! LOL!
I have confirmed which data I will loose. Bummer, but not life-threatening.
Thank you,
Duncan
At 00:49 10/04/2008 -0500, you wrote:
What's your rebuild rate? Most cards I've seen default to 20%, which will
take about 40 billion years to complete.
Even at 80% rebuild rate, my Areca 12x500GB RAID6 array takes about 8 or 9
hours to complete a rebuild. However, during the rebuild, you should be able
to use the drive as normal.
Greg
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Subject: [H] Server died again #5
New drives in hand. One installed in the failed position.
Server booted and held at the bios prompt (ctrl+A) for the raid
array.
All 3 drives NOW read optimal.
In bios, I gave the RAID REBUID command. (at ~1400hrs, my time).
It is now ~2020 my time. All I have witnessed (seen, heard) since is
that the Activity LEDs (yellow) of all three drives of the RAID array
blink ON
every ~10 seconds. It is just a 'blink.'
I do accept that my raid card only has 32MB of SODIMM RAM. But
still..
Greg, you may just win this hand! OK, if I leave this machine alone
all
night,
will I have coffee in the AM with a re-built array, maybe?
I can accept even a RAID controller that is toast! (if so, the next
question is:
does anyone have a cheap A-3200S for sale) LOL!
Sometimes, this hobby is just way too much fun! Yagotztaluvitsometimes!
Pull no punches here, please. I can always just start over.
I still have the bios-level command of CREATE :)
Thank you,
Duncan
[H] Server died again #4
Just status: new drive installed in RAID (0:5) The Quantum Atlas III is actually more quiet than the current IBM drives in the other 2 positions! Server is now attempting to re-build its' array. This is a good sign, no? The only odd visual is that the Adaptec bios screen now shows an added object: o (0,0) Missing Component I read this to define the missing dead hdCorrect? Thank you, Duncan
[H] Server died again #5
New drives in hand. One installed in the failed position. Server booted and held at the bios prompt (ctrl+A) for the raid array. All 3 drives NOW read optimal. In bios, I gave the RAID REBUID command. (at ~1400hrs, my time). It is now ~2020 my time. All I have witnessed (seen, heard) since is that the Activity LEDs (yellow) of all three drives of the RAID array blink ON every ~10 seconds. It is just a 'blink.' I do accept that my raid card only has 32MB of SODIMM RAM. But still.. Greg, you may just win this hand! OK, if I leave this machine alone all night, will I have coffee in the AM with a re-built array, maybe? I can accept even a RAID controller that is toast! (if so, the next question is: does anyone have a cheap A-3200S for sale) LOL! Sometimes, this hobby is just way too much fun! Yagotztaluvitsometimes! Pull no punches here, please. I can always just start over. I still have the bios-level command of CREATE :) Thank you, Duncan
Re: [H] Server died again #5
What's your rebuild rate? Most cards I've seen default to 20%, which will take about 40 billion years to complete. Even at 80% rebuild rate, my Areca 12x500GB RAID6 array takes about 8 or 9 hours to complete a rebuild. However, during the rebuild, you should be able to use the drive as normal. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:34 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Server died again #5 New drives in hand. One installed in the failed position. Server booted and held at the bios prompt (ctrl+A) for the raid array. All 3 drives NOW read optimal. In bios, I gave the RAID REBUID command. (at ~1400hrs, my time). It is now ~2020 my time. All I have witnessed (seen, heard) since is that the Activity LEDs (yellow) of all three drives of the RAID array blink ON every ~10 seconds. It is just a 'blink.' I do accept that my raid card only has 32MB of SODIMM RAM. But still.. Greg, you may just win this hand! OK, if I leave this machine alone all night, will I have coffee in the AM with a re-built array, maybe? I can accept even a RAID controller that is toast! (if so, the next question is: does anyone have a cheap A-3200S for sale) LOL! Sometimes, this hobby is just way too much fun! Yagotztaluvitsometimes! Pull no punches here, please. I can always just start over. I still have the bios-level command of CREATE :) Thank you, Duncan
Re: [H] server died again #2
1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ? At 11:53 AM 9/29/2008, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Thank you J., I will now go look at this. Like Seagate. But J. I still have not moved fully to WXP(oh, bad me!) I still wonder about USB. If this is your prescription, fine. It will take some time for me to get to some XP basline. I will look more into this. Why should I upgrade a working LAN client's OS to WXP just because it now runs w2K? Personally, I do not care what the server's OS ends up at!!! I am willing to migrate... :) Yes, I am still multi-tasking the current hd failure. Perhaps bad. I am very thick-headed! But, at my LAN, I feel I need to evaluate more options. Thank you, Duncan At 11:50 09/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Many providers will cancel you for that, being as that it's a breach of their TOS. They make their money on oversubscribing disk. If you come along and break their business model with 10gb of data that's not web accessible for their $10/yr plan they will shut you down. Winterlight wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ?
Re: [H] server died again #2
As a guy who understands ftp and hand codes his website, I can tell you that JungleDisk + Amazon S3 is just damn easy for everyone, not just users. First off, it's plenty secure. Everything can be done over SSL. And you set the password on your end and so all Amazon sees is random noise being uploaded and the password is never stores on their site (only clientside). Second, it's very good at only uploading the changes so you don't have to do the full 10GB or whatever every time Third, you schedule it to do the backup easily and automatically. And you can do multiple jobs with multiple sets of files and schedules. Fourth, it can do revision control for the files you backup with you controlling which file sizes are included and how many old copies to keep. Fifth, they have clients for Windows, Mac and Linux and USB keys which seamlessly integrates the S3 drive through WebDav to your file explorer allowing you to browse it and copy/delete files. So you can have access to all your files from whatever computer you are using with web access. Awesome for travelling. Need I go on? -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ? At 11:53 AM 9/29/2008, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Thank you Brian, It now seems that we do/approve of online storage. I will search and investigate this. I do know that many of this Lists' members have learned/done this. I salute this! You folks may be the true pioneers in this high-speed data stream. Off-LAN storage is not a critical topic ATM. I do get the future plans idea. I can admit that speeds/abilities/capabilities have gotten the best of me. OK. I have decided that I have ONE bad drive in the RAID. I still believe that my Adaptec ?3200S is still fully operational. But, I have other back-channel conversation working on this one Yes Greg, I do NOT completely comprehend a RAID. Thought I did. But, ATM, I do not. Thank you, Brian. Duncan At 14:53 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Online storage is just part of the overall backup solution. I of course have my own personal backups at home with redundant HDs. But that's of no use against things like floods or house fires. So the really critical data is backed up to a third-party offsite location where I may not be able to access it 24/7/365 but it will still be there barring the end of the world or a major bankruptcy. Either of which might actually be possible after the last week on Wall Street :) -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:30 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Brian, It now seems that we do/approve of online storage. I will search and investigate this. I do know that many of this Lists' members have learned/done this. I salute this! You folks may be the true pioneers in this high-speed data stream. Off-LAN storage is not a critical topic ATM. I do get the future plans idea. I can admit that speeds/abilities/capabilities have gotten the best of me. OK. I have decided that I have ONE bad drive in the RAID. I still believe that my Adaptec ?3200S is still fully operational. But, I have other back-channel conversation working on this one Yes Greg, I do NOT completely comprehend a RAID. Thought I did. But, ATM, I do not. Thank you, Brian. Duncan At 14:53 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
WinterLight, That is a really great question. I suppose you have been doing same for some years PAST with great (or grumbly) success. I still salute this. I never felt comfortable with the entire concept (at the time, or still.) OK. Now it is now. I do comprehend what you suggest. Time for change! Get IT! Still a bit Tin-Hat about the World Wide Waste! After this fix, trust me(!), I will step into the world of the globally in-franchised. I just sorta thought I could still manage business right here at the home 20. Shame on me. Matrox Forever! Thank you. Duncan At 12:00 09/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ? At 11:53 AM 9/29/2008, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Thank you Ben, I have seen this many times. No harm, no foul on how anybody else on the List chooses to use the infrastructure for whatever. I Am Not A Judge! I report only to ME and this LIST! Wow, that is short! But, I think I know where the gurus still hang out. Silly me perhaps. Duncan At 15:21 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: Many providers will cancel you for that, being as that it's a breach of their TOS. They make their money on oversubscribing disk. If you come along and break their business model with 10gb of data that's not web accessible for their $10/yr plan they will shut you down. Winterlight wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ?
Re: [H] server died again #2
At 12:21 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: Many providers will cancel you for that, being as that it's a breach of their TOS. They make their money on oversubscribing disk. If you come along and break their business model with 10gb of data that's not web accessible for their $10/yr plan they will shut you down. You're right. I forgot about that ...they warned about that with my personal account a few years ago but for three to five years they never said a word. However, now we pay for a private server with Godaddy, so we get to make our own rules. Winterlight wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ?
Re: [H] server died again #2
At 12:29 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: As a guy who understands ftp and hand codes his website, I can tell you that JungleDisk + Amazon S3 is just damn easy for everyone, not just users. what does that cost? First off, it's plenty secure. Everything can be done over SSL. And you set the password on your end and so all Amazon sees is random noise being uploaded and the password is never stores on their site (only clientside). Second, it's very good at only uploading the changes so you don't have to do the full 10GB or whatever every time Third, you schedule it to do the backup easily and automatically. And you can do multiple jobs with multiple sets of files and schedules. Fourth, it can do revision control for the files you backup with you controlling which file sizes are included and how many old copies to keep. Fifth, they have clients for Windows, Mac and Linux and USB keys which seamlessly integrates the S3 drive through WebDav to your file explorer allowing you to browse it and copy/delete files. So you can have access to all your files from whatever computer you are using with web access. Awesome for travelling. Need I go on? -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ? At 11:53 AM 9/29/2008, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
The longer you stick with using trailing edge hardware and software, the harder and harder it will be to support it. DHSinclair wrote: But, at my LAN, I feel I need to evaluate more options.
Re: [H] server died again #2
Yes, Brian, You may need to go on. But, not ATM. I am still in a recovery stage. After this, I will get back to this. Right now, it appears to be a simple drive replacement. I will do this; and then come back... Then, I will find out whether the OS will play happy or not with my hdw. Otherwise, I get to start all over again. Been here. Done this. Not a catastrophe ATM. Secure, to me, is still a relative term. Very personal. What I belive to be secure is recorded on a FlashDrive and locked in my very heavy black box. The data on my now FUBAR'D server is just the data on my FUBAR'D server. Nothing more. Shame on me. This whole server business remains a learning project for me. At least from my viewpoint. Different strokes for different folks. I still have to get the basics of RAID down B4 I start putting my data out on the . JMHO. Duncan At 15:29 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: As a guy who understands ftp and hand codes his website, I can tell you that JungleDisk + Amazon S3 is just damn easy for everyone, not just users. First off, it's plenty secure. Everything can be done over SSL. And you set the password on your end and so all Amazon sees is random noise being uploaded and the password is never stores on their site (only clientside). Second, it's very good at only uploading the changes so you don't have to do the full 10GB or whatever every time Third, you schedule it to do the backup easily and automatically. And you can do multiple jobs with multiple sets of files and schedules. Fourth, it can do revision control for the files you backup with you controlling which file sizes are included and how many old copies to keep. Fifth, they have clients for Windows, Mac and Linux and USB keys which seamlessly integrates the S3 drive through WebDav to your file explorer allowing you to browse it and copy/delete files. So you can have access to all your files from whatever computer you are using with web access. Awesome for travelling. Need I go on? -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ? At 11:53 AM 9/29/2008, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
Re: [H] server died again #2
Ben, Thank you. This grumbly fact is generating a huge amount of angst at this address. I do get it. Really. I really do. Current problem is that ATM I can not afford W2K-Server 2006. $685.00 is not in the budget. ATM I have to recover the server I own w/the OS it thinks it may still be happy with and still try to run. Still learning. OK, I am an OS fan-boy. OH CRAP! I forgot your point about trailing edge hardware. Yes, I even fully see this also. As soon as I find just who is my banker, I will try and fix this small faux pau also. Please give me several months... :) IT IS SO HARD TO GIVE UP ON STUFF THAT STILL WORKS! I do get it. Really; now, I do! (i could hate technology; but i will not..I grew up in it.) Duncan At 15:26 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: The longer you stick with using trailing edge hardware and software, the harder and harder it will be to support it. DHSinclair wrote: But, at my LAN, I feel I need to evaluate more options.
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Brian, I live on Wall Street. 2me, it is the real world. Heck, somehow it is what drives the emotions on the this List. ATM, I am not concerned. Most of my trades were years ago. I survive now on a pension agreed to when I started being a Xeroid many years ago. At 60, I think I live OK; not rich, but, I get to watch my oak trees do their thing. Well, both you and I still wait to see the last week on the Wall. I do not think that will ever happen. Markets will drive the global marketplace. And, we will pay whatever the global marketplace decides we pay. ATM, I may need to go dig up some old gelt to continue to play. Duncan At 15:41 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: snip Either of which might actually be possible after the last week on Wall Street :) -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:30 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Brian, It now seems that we do/approve of online storage. I will search and investigate this. I do know that many of this Lists' members have learned/done this. I salute this! You folks may be the true pioneers in this high-speed data stream. Off-LAN storage is not a critical topic ATM. I do get the future plans idea. I can admit that speeds/abilities/capabilities have gotten the best of me. OK. I have decided that I have ONE bad drive in the RAID. I still believe that my Adaptec ?3200S is still fully operational. But, I have other back-channel conversation working on this one Yes Greg, I do NOT completely comprehend a RAID. Thought I did. But, ATM, I do not. Thank you, Brian. Duncan At 14:53 09/29/2008 -0400, you wrote: I use JungleDisk and Amazon S3 for my personal offsite backup. I know it's not completely bulletproof, but for a couple bucks a month it's well worth it for the 10 GB of data I really, really care about. -- Brian On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) DHSinclair wrote: Thank you Greg. Kind of terse, but I do fully comprehend your points. So far, my data loss will be any/all digital pixs I took post 03/07 and some archived dot-pdf files that support my home care equipment. Suspect that I can probably find most of this again. I never attempted to use the RAID of the server as a substitute for proper backup policy. It just turned out the my server did have the largest available free space (23GB). OK, shame on me. I do try to backup to available space wherever available on my LAN clients until I can get a NAS operational. snip
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I know about GoDaddy. The List documented this well enough. Slow. Concerned. Looking. Duncan At 12:47 09/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: At 12:21 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: Many providers will cancel you for that, being as that it's a breach of their TOS. They make their money on oversubscribing disk. If you come along and break their business model with 10gb of data that's not web accessible for their $10/yr plan they will shut you down. You're right. I forgot about that ...they warned about that with my personal account a few years ago but for three to five years they never said a word. However, now we pay for a private server with Godaddy, so we get to make our own rules. Winterlight wrote: I can understand why this works for the general public who doesn't understand domains, ftp etc. But why is that a better deal for you then just buying a domain name from Goddady for 7-10 bucks a year and then having a free 10GB website that you can ftp into, and then upload your backup in an encrypted zip file ?
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I have my fair share of old hardware in use, so please don't think I'm coming down on you. What I was getting at is that as hardware and software ages, your resources (driver downloads, updates, etc.) and general pool of knowledge available to help answer questions shrinks. I had to install Win2k for some MS SQL server testing at work the other day. That was the first time in over 5 years that I had logged into a Win2k box. Troubleshooting it would be difficult for me given my rusty skills in that area. $700 is steep for Win2k3. You could get an Action Pack, which would get you Win2k3 (or Win2k8 now) as well as pretty much every other piece of software that Microsoft makes for much, much cheaper. The catch, it has to be for home/demonstration use, which would be perfect for what you're doing. http://www.petri.co.il/ms_action_pack_subscription.htm DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Thank you. This grumbly fact is generating a huge amount of angst at this address. I do get it. Really. I really do. Current problem is that ATM I can not afford W2K-Server 2006. $685.00 is not in the budget. ATM I have to recover the server I own w/the OS it thinks it may still be happy with and still try to run. Still learning. OK, I am an OS fan-boy. OH CRAP! I forgot your point about trailing edge hardware. Yes, I even fully see this also. As soon as I find just who is my banker, I will try and fix this small faux pau also. Please give me several months... :) IT IS SO HARD TO GIVE UP ON STUFF THAT STILL WORKS! I do get it. Really; now, I do! (i could hate technology; but i will not..I grew up in it.) Duncan
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I have zero idea what it may cost. I do not have a web site. I believe the this is the rage, but, I choose not to play. Yes, cost is, at this level, is a fair discussion. I get it. I am still at a hdw recovery level. Duncan At 12:50 09/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: At 12:29 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: As a guy who understands ftp and hand codes his website, I can tell you that JungleDisk + Amazon S3 is just damn easy for everyone, not just users. what does that cost? snip
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DHSinclair, If you can only get a partial boot before things start to look strange, it's probably a FUBAR'ed boot sector. If it was a failed disk, the SCSI controller (depending of brand and model) would go into rebuild mode, and w2k would not boot at all. Can you get a command prompt? If yes, try the command [fix boot]. This should restore the backed up boot sector. [fix mbr] restores the backed up mbr. [-? p] lists all options pagewise. Is there an F-key you can press before w2k starts booting that takes you to the SCSI controller menu (rebuild option)? Have you tried doing a 'repair installation' from the 2k install CD? Another, more time consuming, option is to hook up a DVD writer to the system, run e.g. a WinME boot disk, and then Ghost.exe from a System Works Pro 2003 CD (it's in the Supportghost folder), and then write the whole shebang directly to DVD(s). Afterwards, the data can be extracted with Ghost Explorer, even if the images are compressed. If nothing else works, there's a nice little util that I use myself (I do some data recovery from time to time). Email me off the list, no reason to lose all your data, as your system can be made to work again. Best, Soren DHSinclair wrote: No. I do NOT know that I have 2 failed drives. That was my posit at this point. Certainly, if I do have 2/3 dead, I would expect to be dead in the water completely. Kiss my last install and all my data goodbye! Am I close? I suspect only one failed drive ATM, but can not yet prove this. Once I can get that far, I do know how to recover. I am not yet there, I believe. And, why I am consulted with the IT Pros of the List. All I have is the RAID alarm, and w2kserver OS that will not complete a boot to its login prompt. It will get to an F8 prompt. I tried an F8 boot but got another BSOD. I may try again and look for a last known. prompt to choose. Barring that, considering the RAID, and my lack of knowledge, I feel I only have the power to do more harm than good. I do have my lan client's now pointed back to the ESET Barn; so future vdefs should continue to arrive auto-magically. (They do. This client is now +2 above the server!) Thank you. Duncan At 18:00 09/27/2008 -0400, you wrote: Wait, you had two drives fail at once? Well, with your setup, you could only survive losing one drive at a time. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Was running in RAID 5 (?); 2 data drives and a parity drive. With the previous OS install and with the first 2 drive failures, the alarm set and I got a msg at the w2k desktop that the RAID was operating in a degraded mode, but still fully operational. Adaptec SM Pro confirmed which drive was inop. The previous glitches cleared up as soon as I got replacement drives and told SM Pro to rebuild the RAID. This time I can not get to SM Pro. Just my luck. This time, I walked in to a frozen desktop, mouse cursor changed to an UParrow/DWN arrow (never seen this before), a stuck messenger svc window about one of my clients not able to contact the server, and an inop START button - even from kbd commands. I suspect that my 1st mistake was to press the RESET button to reboot. I am not learning server well at all. Thanks for the view of no virus. I will proceed to try and find out which, or, how many of the drives are toast! I have been expecting the oldest of the 3 to fail sometime this year! Thank you. Duncan
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-Original Message- From: Ben Ruset $700 is steep for Win2k3. You could get an Action Pack, which would get you Win2k3 (or Win2k8 now) as well as pretty much every other piece of software that Microsoft makes for much, much cheaper. The catch, it has to be for home/demonstration use, which would be perfect for what you're doing. http://www.petri.co.il/ms_action_pack_subscription.htm One point not mentioned at this website is that the $299 is a yearly subscription cost. Stop paying and you are expected to stop using. Just an FYI. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Plus you will NOT get anything in the action pack as ancient as w2k, or maybe even xp now. Haven't subscribed for a couple of years now. fp At 06:51 PM 9/29/2008, James Maki Poked the stick with: -Original Message- From: Ben Ruset $700 is steep for Win2k3. You could get an Action Pack, which would get you Win2k3 (or Win2k8 now) as well as pretty much every other piece of software that Microsoft makes for much, much cheaper. The catch, it has to be for home/demonstration use, which would be perfect for what you're doing. http://www.petri.co.il/ms_action_pack_subscription.htm One point not mentioned at this website is that the $299 is a yearly subscription cost. Stop paying and you are expected to stop using. Just an FYI. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Everyone meets their Waterloo at last.
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No need to change OS just to do this, though USB is supported by everything newer than Win98. If you install SATA controller, you can patch that out the back to eSATA which the enclosure also supports. USB2 just means you have options if need arises to plug into a non-SATA system. Further, these enclosures are the removable bay type so you could go with less space but more drives multiple trays. GB/$ wise HDD's are 1/2 the price of quality 4.35GB DVD-R's Looking forward to day when blueray is on par with DVD or better yet HDD cost per GB drives are cheap. DHSinclair wrote: Thank you J., I will now go look at this. Like Seagate. But J. I still have not moved fully to WXP(oh, bad me!) I still wonder about USB. If this is your prescription, fine. It will take some time for me to get to some XP basline. I will look more into this. Why should I upgrade a working LAN client's OS to WXP just because it now runs w2K? Personally, I do not care what the server's OS ends up at!!! I am willing to migrate... :) Yes, I am still multi-tasking the current hd failure. Perhaps bad. I am very thick-headed! But, at my LAN, I feel I need to evaluate more options. Thank you, Duncan At 11:50 09/29/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1TB Seagate 7200.11 SATA-300 drive $130 USB2/eSATA Icydock MB559US-1SMB enclosure $45 after MIR Peace of mind knowing key data is backed up offline, priceless! =) snip
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At 07:34 PM 27/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote: No. I do NOT know that I have 2 failed drives. That was my posit at this point. Certainly, if I do have 2/3 dead, I would expect to be dead in the water completely. Kiss my last install and all my data goodbye! Am I close? Boo I suspect only one failed drive ATM, but can not yet prove this. Once I can get that far, I do know how to recover. I am not yet there, I believe. And, why I am consulted with the IT Pros of the List. All I have is the RAID alarm, and w2kserver OS that will not complete a boot to its login prompt. It will get to an F8 prompt. I tried an F8 boot but got another BSOD. I may try again and look for a last known. prompt to choose. Barring that, considering the RAID, and my lack of knowledge, I feel I only have the power to do more harm than good. I do have my lan client's now pointed back to the ESET Barn; so future vdefs should continue to arrive auto-magically. (They do. This client is now +2 above the server!) Thank you. Duncan At 18:00 09/27/2008 -0400, you wrote: Wait, you had two drives fail at once? Well, with your setup, you could only survive losing one drive at a time. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Was running in RAID 5 (?); 2 data drives and a parity drive. With the previous OS install and with the first 2 drive failures, the alarm set and I got a msg at the w2k desktop that the RAID was operating in a degraded mode, but still fully operational. Adaptec SM Pro confirmed which drive was inop. The previous glitches cleared up as soon as I got replacement drives and told SM Pro to rebuild the RAID. This time I can not get to SM Pro. Just my luck. This time, I walked in to a frozen desktop, mouse cursor changed to an UParrow/DWN arrow (never seen this before), a stuck messenger svc window about one of my clients not able to contact the server, and an inop START button - even from kbd commands. I suspect that my 1st mistake was to press the RESET button to reboot. I am not learning server well at all. Thanks for the view of no virus. I will proceed to try and find out which, or, how many of the drives are toast! I have been expecting the oldest of the 3 to fail sometime this year! Thank you. Duncan
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At 07:34 PM 27/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote: No. I do NOT know that I have 2 failed drives. That was my posit at this point. Certainly, if I do have 2/3 dead, I would expect to be dead in the water completely. Kiss my last install and all my data goodbye! Am I close? I'd boot up with a recovery CD (like Bart's) and then take a look at the drives from there. You may run into RAID compatibility issues, however. T
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Thane, Yes, I do plan to use my Bart's CD a bit later. I did one check last night b4 bed by booting into the low level bios for the A7499 chip of the RAID card -ctrlA - during the server post. This got me to the low-speed side of the card, but it is here that I can view/scan both of the card's channels- A and B. The B channel holds the card's controller, a CDROM, and my dds tape unit. This is correct and expected. Sadly, when I scanned the A channel (U160) all I saw was the RAID Card's controller. None of the 3 installed and running hds answered the scan. Odd. This I have never seen before in scsi-land. This leads me to posit a bad Channel A cable, the RAID cage (SCA80) interface board, or, the RAID controller card as possible suspects. The hard drives do actually spin up, so I conclude that +12v is working after a fashion. I will check +5v today and carefully inspect the cable, cage and RAID card. No, I have ruled out the server psu either! If nothing shows up, then I will proceed to drive the Bart's CD. This is a weird one for me. Thank you for the shout. Duncan At 10:29 09/28/2008 -0300, you wrote: At 07:34 PM 27/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote: No. I do NOT know that I have 2 failed drives. That was my posit at this point. Certainly, if I do have 2/3 dead, I would expect to be dead in the water completely. Kiss my last install and all my data goodbye! Am I close? I'd boot up with a recovery CD (like Bart's) and then take a look at the drives from there. You may run into RAID compatibility issues, however. T
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At 12:47 PM 28/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Yes, I do plan to use my Bart's CD a bit later. I did one check last night b4 bed by booting into the low level bios for the A7499 chip of the RAID card -ctrlA - during the server post. This got me to the low-speed side of the card, but it is here that I can view/scan both of the card's channels- A and B. The B channel holds the card's controller, a CDROM, and my dds tape unit. This is correct and expected. Sadly, when I scanned the A channel (U160) all I saw was the RAID Card's controller. None of the 3 installed and running hds answered the scan. Odd. This I have never seen before in scsi-land. This leads me to posit a bad Channel A cable, the RAID cage (SCA80) interface board, or, the RAID controller card as possible suspects. The hard drives do actually spin up, so I conclude that +12v is working after a fashion. I will check +5v today and carefully inspect the cable, cage and RAID card. No, I have ruled out the server psu either! If nothing shows up, then I will proceed to drive the Bart's CD. This is a weird one for me. Thank you for the shout. I'd start by switching SCSI cables, then SCSI connectors. (You've probably already done this, I know.) T
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Thane, Yes I would suspect the scsi cable(s) first also. No, I have net even opened the server box yet. LOL! Every time I put my hands into this server too soon, I somehow muck something up. Not fear, just some healthy respect... :) Besides this one is so foreign to me in the past 33yr of scsi-land, I wanted to ask the IT gurus their thoughts first. Thank you. More later this afternoon after I dig around a bit. Duncan At 12:57 09/28/2008 -0300, you wrote: At 12:47 PM 28/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Yes, I do plan to use my Bart's CD a bit later. I did one check last night b4 bed by booting into the low level bios for the A7499 chip of the RAID card -ctrlA - during the server post. This got me to the low-speed side of the card, but it is here that I can view/scan both of the card's channels- A and B. The B channel holds the card's controller, a CDROM, and my dds tape unit. This is correct and expected. Sadly, when I scanned the A channel (U160) all I saw was the RAID Card's controller. None of the 3 installed and running hds answered the scan. Odd. This I have never seen before in scsi-land. This leads me to posit a bad Channel A cable, the RAID cage (SCA80) interface board, or, the RAID controller card as possible suspects. The hard drives do actually spin up, so I conclude that +12v is working after a fashion. I will check +5v today and carefully inspect the cable, cage and RAID card. No, I have ruled out the server psu either! If nothing shows up, then I will proceed to drive the Bart's CD. This is a weird one for me. Thank you for the shout. I'd start by switching SCSI cables, then SCSI connectors. (You've probably already done this, I know.) T
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The server troubleshooting is on. I took the raid-cage loose from the server and found big time dust bunnies. Hmm. Seems I missed my June PM-another machine crash as my records show. Power on-goes to previously reported BSOD. OK, not dust bunnies. I then replaced the main scsi cable from the Adaptec controller to the raid-cage with a same-same cable removed from another working scsi client. Power on-goes to previously reported BSOD. Hmm.perhaps not the cable? I do not have a spare Adaptec 3200S. Not even sure if it is still available. Still confused by why Windows will not complete a boot w/raid in a degraded mode. So, I decide to try and boot using all combinations of 2 of the 3 drives. This appears to now point to a potential failed drive (0:5). This is my new failure matrix: Make drive 0:1 and 0:3 hot: server completes post, windows starts boot, displays the bottom screen ruler, W2K opening screen appears and the progress meter completes, screen then goes to the previously reported BSOD. Make drive 0:3 and 0:5 hot: server completes post, black screen w/ -Operating System not found. Make drive 0:1 and 0:5 hot: server completes post, black screen w/ -Operating System not found. I have even checked this logic letting the drives use my other two spare slots of 2 and 4. The results are the same. So I do think at least my raid cage is OK. Yes, the Adaptec controller could still be suspect. ATM, my conclusion is that the drive in position 0:5 is toast. Even though it spins up and appears to answer commands (yellow LED) along with the other two raid members. Drive 0:5's yellow LED only stops blinking once the Adaptec controller sets the alarm on. The windows boot continues to the eventual BSOD. I remain confused about why Windows will not complete a boot with a degraded raid as I've been told it should. Any ideas would be helpful. I am sure I followed all the proper steps when I rebuilt this server some time back. In the am I will begin the drive replacement business. Thank you for any suggestions. Duncan
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Windows, or any other OS for that matter, will boot successfully from a degraded array. Windows itself has no knowledge of the array being optimal, degraded, or anything else--that's handled by the controller itself. The operating system doesn't even know anything about the individual disks attached, since again, it's all obfuscated by the controller's firmware. My guess is that your bad drive has been going bad for a while, and has caused some silent data corruption prior to fully kicking the bucket. Or, the card itself is bad. Or, the driver is causing some problems as it deals with/attempts to report the fault condition. RAID is never a substitute for good backup procedures. RAID does nothing more than increase availability (and performance, depending upon a number of factors). It's no data-protection cure-all, as your situation may ultimately reveal. Greg I remain confused about why Windows will not complete a boot with a degraded raid as I've been told it should. Any ideas would be helpful. I am sure I followed all the proper steps when I rebuilt this server some time back. In the am I will begin the drive replacement business. Thank you for any suggestions. Duncan
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Can anyone decode this BSOD, or, point me to which part of it to google for more info? ***Stop: 0x007B (0x88FF2AB0, 0xC032, 0x, 0x0...) Inaccessible_Boot_Device I do expect that I have lost one of my 3 RAID hds. (I have been waiting for my oldest one to die!) Or, perhaps this time, I may have lost 2 of the 3. I have never, ever, seen this BSOD msg ever. The rest of the BSOD screen suggests that I may have a virus. Odd, I use ESET. Still I accept that it is possible. The machine completes POST. A ctrl-A for the RAID confirms that it is in a degraded mode. And yes; this server install is new since 04/08. It is not backed up simply because it will no longer vit on my dds tape, and, I have not yet gotten any suggested NAS app to run properly. Thank you for any how to start suggestions. I am considering calling in paid help. Duncan
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Can anyone decode this BSOD, or, point me to which part of it to google for more info? ***Stop: 0x007B (0x88FF2AB0, 0xC032, 0x, 0x0...) Inaccessible_Boot_Device http://www.google.com/search?q=Inaccessible_Boot_Deviceie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8startIndex=startPage=1 Good luck. Al
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You don't have a virus, you probably have a bad disk. What RAID level were you running? DHSinclair wrote: Can anyone decode this BSOD, or, point me to which part of it to google for more info? ***Stop: 0x007B (0x88FF2AB0, 0xC032, 0x, 0x0...) Inaccessible_Boot_Device I do expect that I have lost one of my 3 RAID hds. (I have been waiting for my oldest one to die!) Or, perhaps this time, I may have lost 2 of the 3. I have never, ever, seen this BSOD msg ever. The rest of the BSOD screen suggests that I may have a virus. Odd, I use ESET. Still I accept that it is possible. The machine completes POST. A ctrl-A for the RAID confirms that it is in a degraded mode. And yes; this server install is new since 04/08. It is not backed up simply because it will no longer vit on my dds tape, and, I have not yet gotten any suggested NAS app to run properly. Thank you for any how to start suggestions. I am considering calling in paid help. Duncan
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Ben, Was running in RAID 5 (?); 2 data drives and a parity drive. With the previous OS install and with the first 2 drive failures, the alarm set and I got a msg at the w2k desktop that the RAID was operating in a degraded mode, but still fully operational. Adaptec SM Pro confirmed which drive was inop. The previous glitches cleared up as soon as I got replacement drives and told SM Pro to rebuild the RAID. This time I can not get to SM Pro. Just my luck. This time, I walked in to a frozen desktop, mouse cursor changed to an UParrow/DWN arrow (never seen this before), a stuck messenger svc window about one of my clients not able to contact the server, and an inop START button - even from kbd commands. I suspect that my 1st mistake was to press the RESET button to reboot. I am not learning server well at all. Thanks for the view of no virus. I will proceed to try and find out which, or, how many of the drives are toast! I have been expecting the oldest of the 3 to fail sometime this year! Thank you. Duncan At 14:53 09/27/2008 -0400, you wrote: You don't have a virus, you probably have a bad disk. What RAID level were you running? DHSinclair wrote: Can anyone decode this BSOD, or, point me to which part of it to google for more info? ***Stop: 0x007B (0x88FF2AB0, 0xC032, 0x, 0x0...) Inaccessible_Boot_Device I do expect that I have lost one of my 3 RAID hds. (I have been waiting for my oldest one to die!) Or, perhaps this time, I may have lost 2 of the 3. I have never, ever, seen this BSOD msg ever. The rest of the BSOD screen suggests that I may have a virus. Odd, I use ESET. Still I accept that it is possible. The machine completes POST. A ctrl-A for the RAID confirms that it is in a degraded mode. And yes; this server install is new since 04/08. It is not backed up simply because it will no longer vit on my dds tape, and, I have not yet gotten any suggested NAS app to run properly. Thank you for any how to start suggestions. I am considering calling in paid help. Duncan
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Wait, you had two drives fail at once? Well, with your setup, you could only survive losing one drive at a time. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Was running in RAID 5 (?); 2 data drives and a parity drive. With the previous OS install and with the first 2 drive failures, the alarm set and I got a msg at the w2k desktop that the RAID was operating in a degraded mode, but still fully operational. Adaptec SM Pro confirmed which drive was inop. The previous glitches cleared up as soon as I got replacement drives and told SM Pro to rebuild the RAID. This time I can not get to SM Pro. Just my luck. This time, I walked in to a frozen desktop, mouse cursor changed to an UParrow/DWN arrow (never seen this before), a stuck messenger svc window about one of my clients not able to contact the server, and an inop START button - even from kbd commands. I suspect that my 1st mistake was to press the RESET button to reboot. I am not learning server well at all. Thanks for the view of no virus. I will proceed to try and find out which, or, how many of the drives are toast! I have been expecting the oldest of the 3 to fail sometime this year! Thank you. Duncan
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No. I do NOT know that I have 2 failed drives. That was my posit at this point. Certainly, if I do have 2/3 dead, I would expect to be dead in the water completely. Kiss my last install and all my data goodbye! Am I close? I suspect only one failed drive ATM, but can not yet prove this. Once I can get that far, I do know how to recover. I am not yet there, I believe. And, why I am consulted with the IT Pros of the List. All I have is the RAID alarm, and w2kserver OS that will not complete a boot to its login prompt. It will get to an F8 prompt. I tried an F8 boot but got another BSOD. I may try again and look for a last known. prompt to choose. Barring that, considering the RAID, and my lack of knowledge, I feel I only have the power to do more harm than good. I do have my lan client's now pointed back to the ESET Barn; so future vdefs should continue to arrive auto-magically. (They do. This client is now +2 above the server!) Thank you. Duncan At 18:00 09/27/2008 -0400, you wrote: Wait, you had two drives fail at once? Well, with your setup, you could only survive losing one drive at a time. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, Was running in RAID 5 (?); 2 data drives and a parity drive. With the previous OS install and with the first 2 drive failures, the alarm set and I got a msg at the w2k desktop that the RAID was operating in a degraded mode, but still fully operational. Adaptec SM Pro confirmed which drive was inop. The previous glitches cleared up as soon as I got replacement drives and told SM Pro to rebuild the RAID. This time I can not get to SM Pro. Just my luck. This time, I walked in to a frozen desktop, mouse cursor changed to an UParrow/DWN arrow (never seen this before), a stuck messenger svc window about one of my clients not able to contact the server, and an inop START button - even from kbd commands. I suspect that my 1st mistake was to press the RESET button to reboot. I am not learning server well at all. Thanks for the view of no virus. I will proceed to try and find out which, or, how many of the drives are toast! I have been expecting the oldest of the 3 to fail sometime this year! Thank you. Duncan
