Re: schematics in PDF form?
Am Sa 6. Juni 2009 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: Joerg, I think this thread should move to [GTA03] (wonder why it's called that way) How about the other way round? Looks like gta02-core is the way forward (and as you said the [gta03] list name is even wrong). I propose to close the [gta03] mailing list and move discussions to the [hardware] list. Wolfgang No good idea. I like the precise focus of [hw]. Spamming it with another project would cause at least me not reading it anymore. This list is meant for GTA02 (+gta01?) hw issues/topics. gta02-core IS NOT gta02 my 2 €cent jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
[ Cc to the gta03 list added ] Joerg Reisenweber wrote: This list is meant for GTA02 (+gta01?) hw issues/topics. I guess that's the problem with this sort of list - you can never be quite sure what it's about :-) E.g., on the kernel lst, we also had stuff for GTA03-6410, and it didn't seem out of place. Of course, the kernel is per se shared, while hardware projects don't necessarily have one big project tree. I agree that a list called gta03 is not an ideal home for a project called gta02-core, and I'd also be unhappy if the talk about gta02-core would prevent discussion about other projects or project ideas. I believe there is room for a lot more projects than gta02-core, be it in parallel or as successors. So having a place to discuss them is valuable. One might actually just rename gta03 to future, to make it clear :-) There is a risk that having discussions of different projects mixed on a single list will cause confusion. E.g., if three projects, let's say Openmoko's GTA02, gta02-core, and JoergPhone, all share hardware, it will be mighty confusing if someone starts discussing the USB current without precisely identifying the project in each and every mail. On the other hand, the more lists you have, the more crossposts and discussions happening on the wrong list. So, all things considered, I think creating a new list for gta02-core makes sense. I'm not sure what to go with the gta03 list, if anything. Opinions ? - Werner ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
Yes, the new board that's still in development. 2009/6/5 Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk On Friday 05 June 2009, Hadyn van der Berg wrote: Hi, I was wondering if someone could print the schematics to PDF for easy viewing? I assume you are talking about schematics for the gta02-core project since the schematics for gta01 and gta02 were released as pdf. Is this correct? http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA01/ http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/ ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
Hadyn van der Berg wrote: Yes, the new board that's still in development. We haven't started the schematics yet. I agree, easy access to the material is important. It sometimes only takes seconds to spot a bug. It would be foolish to make people waste these precious seconds wrestling with installation tasks instead. So ... of course there's something more easily accessible :-) This is the collection of our circuit symbols, minus a few from the last few days that I still have to add: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz There are a few anomalies like odd text locations and a few missing pin numbers, which are caused by the printing process. I hope to get rid of these over the next few days. We don't have PDF at the moment, due to problems with the library providing the printing functions. Also, the pin type is printed next to the each pin. That's to help review. When the symbols are used in real schematics, this pin type isn't visible. Hardware design experience is just what we need. So, welcome ! :) - Werner ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
Hi Werner, Can I ask, what format this is in? I'm presuming GZIP , but I'm struggling to open it. Is there any document about what the plan is for the new board? Based on which existing hardware, improvements to be made, etc. What is the thinking about using different chips, for example the power management or audio section? Would it be preferable to stick to the existing chips due to existing software/driver implementation or, if there is a justifiable reason, would the group be prepared to change? I presume cost is an issue, since I believe the project isn't funded commercially . I would guess then that a motivating factor would be lower cost devices. Do you struggle to obtain components, when it comes time for manufacture, and so is another issue, ease of sourcing of components? Some parts have minimum order quantities, or are only available on large reels. Sorry for all the questions - but I think they're important to know, when the product is developed. Hadyn 2009/6/5 Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org Hadyn van der Berg wrote: Yes, the new board that's still in development. We haven't started the schematics yet. I agree, easy access to the material is important. It sometimes only takes seconds to spot a bug. It would be foolish to make people waste these precious seconds wrestling with installation tasks instead. So ... of course there's something more easily accessible :-) This is the collection of our circuit symbols, minus a few from the last few days that I still have to add: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz There are a few anomalies like odd text locations and a few missing pin numbers, which are caused by the printing process. I hope to get rid of these over the next few days. We don't have PDF at the moment, due to problems with the library providing the printing functions. Also, the pin type is printed next to the each pin. That's to help review. When the symbols are used in real schematics, this pin type isn't visible. Hardware design experience is just what we need. So, welcome ! :) - Werner ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: I think this thread should move to [GTA03] (wonder why it's called that way) Agreed. Hadyn, I'll just forward your mail to the gta03 list, https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/gta03 and then cross-post my answer. And yes, one of these days, we'll have make a new list. While it's nice to have everyone's attention, I don't really want gta02-core to shush any other projects that go in the same general direction. - Werner ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
Re: schematics in PDF form?
Joerg, I think this thread should move to [GTA03] (wonder why it's called that way) How about the other way round? Looks like gta02-core is the way forward (and as you said the [gta03] list name is even wrong). I propose to close the [gta03] mailing list and move discussions to the [hardware] list. Wolfgang Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Fr 5. Juni 2009 schrieb Hadyn van der Berg: Hi Werner, Can I ask, what format this is in? I'm presuming GZIP , but I'm struggling to open it. Is there any document about what the plan is for the new board? Based on which existing hardware, improvements to be made, etc. What is the thinking about using different chips, for example the power management or audio section? Would it be preferable to stick to the existing chips due to existing software/driver implementation or, if there is a justifiable reason, would the group be prepared to change? I presume cost is an issue, since I believe the project isn't funded commercially . I would guess then that a motivating factor would be lower cost devices. Do you struggle to obtain components, when it comes time for manufacture, and so is another issue, ease of sourcing of components? Some parts have minimum order quantities, or are only available on large reels. Sorry for all the questions - but I think they're important to know, when the product is developed. Hadyn 2009/6/5 Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org Hadyn van der Berg wrote: Yes, the new board that's still in development. We haven't started the schematics yet. I agree, easy access to the material is important. It sometimes only takes seconds to spot a bug. It would be foolish to make people waste these precious seconds wrestling with installation tasks instead. So ... of course there's something more easily accessible :-) This is the collection of our circuit symbols, minus a few from the last few days that I still have to add: http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz There are a few anomalies like odd text locations and a few missing pin numbers, which are caused by the printing process. I hope to get rid of these over the next few days. We don't have PDF at the moment, due to problems with the library providing the printing functions. Also, the pin type is printed next to the each pin. That's to help review. When the symbols are used in real schematics, this pin type isn't visible. Hardware design experience is just what we need. So, welcome ! :) - Werner I think this thread should move to [GTA03] (wonder why it's called that way) /j ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware ___ hardware mailing list hardware@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
