Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
On 14 Dec 2010, at 20:48, Henrik Nilsson wrote: OK, here are a few broken links I happen to care about: Old Haskell Workshop proceedings, including the very first one. The links that do not work are: * The 1995 proceedings: http://www.haskell.org/haskell-workshop/1995/HW1995-Proceedings.pdf * The 2000 papers: http://www.haskell.org/haskell-workshop/2000/papers.html Additionally, all links for the Haskell Workshop web pages, from 1995 to 2007 inclusive, are broken. I believe all of the Haskell Workshop/Symposium links are now back to their previously working state. (Many of them were symbolic links that did not survive the transfer, but I have recreated them by hand.) Regards, Malcolm ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
[Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:35:22AM -0800, Don Stewart wrote: Hi Paul, The move is complete. There are no haskell.org services running there now. You could shut down the machine in December if you wish. Everyone keeps saying the move is complete but I'm not sure it's really true. I understand in theory that people were given ample time and warning to migrate content, but in practice it has not worked. Off the top of my head I know of at least haskell.org/arrows haskell.org/gtk2hs, two key pieces of infrastructure/knowledge that have not made the move and that people have asked about in the last few days. Are there any plans to copy over things like this? Relying on maintiners to do it has obviously not worked. I stand ready to help but am not quite sure what needs to happen from a technical point of view. -Brent -- Don paul.hudak: Dear All: My research group is paying $200/month to maintain the old haskell.org at Yale, and we cannot continue doing this indefinitely -- indeed, I had hoped that we could have turned off the machine by now. I propose that we shut down the old server on Jan 31, 2011. Hopefully this will give everyone adequate time to move their files. Best, -Paul Hudak -Original Message- From: haskell-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Frank Rosemeier Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:30 AM To: Thomas Schilling Cc: Ian Lynagh; Haskell Subject: Re: [Haskell] Please help me to reconstruct the Yarrow website! Re: New haskell.org server Hello Thomas, thank you very much for this link! I am glad that the Yarrow website is accessible. I will try to move it to the community server as soon as possible. How long will the pages being hosted at Yale? Is it possible to redirect the old Yarrow address to this one? Kind regards Frank Rosemeier Am 10.12.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Thomas Schilling: It's still available at http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/yarrow/ I believe the correct new location will be on community server. See http://community.haskell.org/ for instructions on how to get an account there. On 10 December 2010 12:23, Frank Rosemeier fr...@rosemeier.info wrote: Dear Haskellers, today I have noticed that the link http://www.haskell.org/yarrow is broken! Who is responsible or can help me to reconstruct the Yarrow home page? To my mind this it is not a fair treatment of the Yarrow wersite: I asked in September for prolongation of this website, than I have been informed thirty days ago that it has to be moved, so that I asked for support with the migration process about a week ago and today the homepage is not accessible. I would like to have more time and more support! Is it possible to setup the old home page for some weeks (or better months) again? Kind regards Frank Rosemeier Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Frank Rosemeier fr...@rosemeier.info Datum: 2. Dezember 2010 10:08:08 GMT+01:00 An: Ian Lynagh ig...@earth.li Kopie: Frank ((FH Hamm)) Rosemeier frank.roseme...@fh- hamm.srh.de Betreff: Re: Yarrow website! Re: [Haskell] New haskell.org server Hello Ian, I am sorry that the Yarrow homepage has to be moved. How long will the old website be accessible? I would prefer to have the redirection for some years (not only for some months) because presumably it will take some months to create the new home for Yarrow. Are there any tools or tutors to help me with this migration? Kind regards Frank Am 20.11.2010 um 16:29 schrieb Ian Lynagh: Hi Frank, Sorry for the slow reply; it's taken longer than I expected to get everything worked out. On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 07:21:48PM +0200, Frank Rosemeier wrote: the Yarrow website has been hosted by haskell.org for some years now (http://www.haskell.org/yarrow/ ). Thank you very much for this service! I would be very happy, if you could transfer these pages to the new server. The haskell.org committee have decided that the community server would be a better fit for the yarrow site. We will be happy to add a redirect from http://www.haskell.org/yarrow/ to the community site for a few months, so links don't instantly break. To get an account on the community server, you need to fill in: http://community.haskell.org/admin/account_request.html and then to get a project for yarrow: http://community.haskell.org/admin/project_request.html Information on how to use a community project is here: http://community.haskell.org/admin/using_project.html Please let me know if you have any problems. Thanks Ian
Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
Hi Brent, On 14.12.2010, at 16:02, Brent Yorgey wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:35:22AM -0800, Don Stewart wrote: Hi Paul, The move is complete. There are no haskell.org services running there now. You could shut down the machine in December if you wish. Everyone keeps saying the move is complete but I'm not sure it's really true. I understand in theory that people were given ample time and warning to migrate content, but in practice it has not worked. Off the top of my head I know of at least haskell.org/arrows haskell.org/gtk2hs, two key pieces of infrastructure/knowledge that have not made the move and that people have asked about in the last few days. Are there any plans to copy over things like this? Relying on maintiners to do it has obviously not worked. I stand ready to help but am not quite sure what needs to happen from a technical point of view. Wrt Gtk2Hs, I've copied the files but I think I need to dump the data base that backed up the WordPress CMS. I have no clue about these things which led me to ignore the migration in the hope that everything would be fine. I think I need somebody with (My)SQL knowledge to install a server on community.haskell.org and to copy over the database contents from the oldhaskell.org server. After that, I can have a stab at getting WordPress running again against the reinstated database content. So if anybody (with root access?) can do the mirgration of the content, then that would be swell. Cheers, Axel -Brent -- Don paul.hudak: Dear All: My research group is paying $200/month to maintain the old haskell.org at Yale, and we cannot continue doing this indefinitely -- indeed, I had hoped that we could have turned off the machine by now. I propose that we shut down the old server on Jan 31, 2011. Hopefully this will give everyone adequate time to move their files. Best, -Paul Hudak -Original Message- From: haskell-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-boun...@haskell.org ] On Behalf Of Frank Rosemeier Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:30 AM To: Thomas Schilling Cc: Ian Lynagh; Haskell Subject: Re: [Haskell] Please help me to reconstruct the Yarrow website! Re: New haskell.org server Hello Thomas, thank you very much for this link! I am glad that the Yarrow website is accessible. I will try to move it to the community server as soon as possible. How long will the pages being hosted at Yale? Is it possible to redirect the old Yarrow address to this one? Kind regards Frank Rosemeier Am 10.12.2010 um 18:25 schrieb Thomas Schilling: It's still available at http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/yarrow/ I believe the correct new location will be on community server. See http://community.haskell.org/ for instructions on how to get an account there. On 10 December 2010 12:23, Frank Rosemeier fr...@rosemeier.info wrote: Dear Haskellers, today I have noticed that the link http://www.haskell.org/yarrow is broken! Who is responsible or can help me to reconstruct the Yarrow home page? To my mind this it is not a fair treatment of the Yarrow wersite: I asked in September for prolongation of this website, than I have been informed thirty days ago that it has to be moved, so that I asked for support with the migration process about a week ago and today the homepage is not accessible. I would like to have more time and more support! Is it possible to setup the old home page for some weeks (or better months) again? Kind regards Frank Rosemeier Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: Von: Frank Rosemeier fr...@rosemeier.info Datum: 2. Dezember 2010 10:08:08 GMT+01:00 An: Ian Lynagh ig...@earth.li Kopie: Frank ((FH Hamm)) Rosemeier frank.roseme...@fh- hamm.srh.de Betreff: Re: Yarrow website! Re: [Haskell] New haskell.org server Hello Ian, I am sorry that the Yarrow homepage has to be moved. How long will the old website be accessible? I would prefer to have the redirection for some years (not only for some months) because presumably it will take some months to create the new home for Yarrow. Are there any tools or tutors to help me with this migration? Kind regards Frank Am 20.11.2010 um 16:29 schrieb Ian Lynagh: Hi Frank, Sorry for the slow reply; it's taken longer than I expected to get everything worked out. On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 07:21:48PM +0200, Frank Rosemeier wrote: the Yarrow website has been hosted by haskell.org for some years now (http://www.haskell.org/yarrow/ ). Thank you very much for this service! I would be very happy, if you could transfer these pages to the new server. The haskell.org committee have decided that the community server would be a better fit for the yarrow site. We will be happy to add a redirect from http://www.haskell.org/yarrow/ to the community site for a few months, so links don't instantly break. To get an account on the community server, you need to fill in: http://community.haskell.org/admin/account_request.html and then to get a
Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:02:29AM -0500, Brent Yorgey wrote: Everyone keeps saying the move is complete but I'm not sure it's really true. I understand in theory that people were given ample time and warning to migrate content, but in practice it has not worked. Off the top of my head I know of at least haskell.org/arrows haskell.org/gtk2hs, two key pieces of infrastructure/knowledge that have not made the move and that people have asked about in the last few days. Sorry, arrows is now done. Presumably someone has taken an image of /var/www/html/haskell from the old server in case we missed anything else. ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
Everyone keeps saying the move is complete but I'm not sure it's really true. I understand in theory that people were given ample time and warning to migrate content, but in practice it has not worked. .. Are there any plans to copy over things like this? Relying on maintiners to do it has obviously not worked. I stand ready to help but am not quite sure what needs to happen from a technical point of view. Thanks! It would be good to get an idea of the amount of damage, in terms of differences between old and new server, before the old server goes offline (has the offline backup been verified, btw? and does it include all non-wiki content as well, such as accounts to be deleted, and tools pages?): - for static content, an rsync *dry-run* on the server directories would give an idea of differences, provided those directories are somehow identifiable (not spread over user accounts) - for dynamic content, web-crawling both servers and comparing the availabe URLs might be necessary (the problem here would be to identify all roots for crawling - with multiple haskell.org servers, not everything on www.haskell.org might be linked from somewhere on www.haskell.org; eg, non-wiki pages for hackage packages or Haskell tools..) - checking the server logs for the new server will only give a partial picture, but using the server logs for the old server, and checking whether all successful URL requests also work on the new server might help to spot gaps (build a Map of new-server URLs, check old-server log URLs for presence in that Map) Then posting the list of missing URLs here might alert those who care about them (or not, but at least fewer things would disappear silently). It would at least give some concrete idea of how complete the move really is. Claus ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
Hi, Then posting the list of missing URLs here might alert those who care about them (or not, but at least fewer things would disappear silently). OK, here are a few broken links I happen to care about: Old Haskell Workshop proceedings, including the very first one. They are on the Haskell Symposium web page: http://www.haskell.org/haskell-symposium/ The links that do not work are: * The 1995 proceedings: http://www.haskell.org/haskell-workshop/1995/HW1995-Proceedings.pdf * The 2000 papers: http://www.haskell.org/haskell-workshop/2000/papers.html In the latter case, presumably the papers themselves also need to move across. And the links should perhaps be updated to point to haskell-symposium as well. (And no, as far as I can tell, it is not enough to to simply replace haskell-workshop with haskell-symposium.) There are a number of other broken proceedings dependences, but they are external. Additionally, all links for the Haskell Workshop web pages, from 1995 to 2007 inclusive, are broken. Also, the www.haskell.org/yampa page is gone. Very out of date, no doubt, but even so. Sorry, probably a FAQ, but this move has essentially passed me by: any way I can get at the old content before the old server is decommissioned? Best, /Henrik -- Henrik Nilsson School of Computer Science The University of Nottingham n...@cs.nott.ac.uk ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
Re: [Haskell] More work to be done re: haskell.org move?
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:48:47PM +, Henrik Nilsson wrote: Also, the www.haskell.org/yampa page is gone. Very out of date, no doubt, but even so. Sorry, probably a FAQ, but this move has essentially passed me by: any way I can get at the old content before the old server is decommissioned? The old machine is still at haskell.cs.yale.edu and your files are under /var/www/html/haskell/. ___ Haskell mailing list Haskell@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
