Re: [Haskell-cafe] Three questions to graphviz
Hi Ivan, I already played around a fair bit with options in both cases, but there are quite a few so it gets quite worky with try and error. Going to graphviz directly doesn't seem a bad idea. Thanks Phil -- View this message in context: http://haskell.1045720.n5.nabble.com/Three-questions-to-graphviz-tp418p4890775.html Sent from the Haskell - Haskell-Cafe mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
I had started a project to start a JVM and call Java code from Haskell, but got sidetracked into EclipseFP, but I hope to go back to it someday. https://github.com/JPMoresmau/HJVM. Have a look at the test suite for some examples. Hope this helps JP On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Aatch blad...@gmail.com wrote: There are some projects to try and provide a bridge between Haskell and the JVM. Unfortunately none of the seem to have much development. As it stands, there is GCJNI, which allows Haskell to invoke Java code, seems like a Java version of hsc2hs, but the site is down, it just 404s. There is also haskell-jvm-bridge, but that doesn't look like it has any development for about 18 months, and there isn't much about it. Then there is LambdaVM, which looks the most promising, as it compiles GHC byte-code to JVM bytecode. However, it doesn't look it has been updated in a few years. You can try your luck with any of those, but currently, if you want a decent FFI for Java, you're probably going to have to resurrect one of those projects. --- James Miller On 11 October 2011 15:26, Claude Lee calee2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, vote+1. Theoretically, you can bridge Haskell and Java with FFI. It applys to small projects. Larger ones may need some build tools... Claude 2011/10/11 dokondr doko...@gmail.com Hi, I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one): http://nlp.stanford.edu/software/lex-parser.shtml What would be the most reliable framework for this? Thanks! Dmitri ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
Perhaps my needs are unique here, but I thought I'd mention them anyway. The main tool we use at work is based on a hodge-podge of Java, Ant and XSLT code[1]. This thing has to be constantly extended to support new functionality (or fix one of its myriad bugs), and there's no technical hurdle to using Haskell to that end. In fact, my company has released a few packages[2][3][4] specifically in this venture. There are two problems, however: * Some clients have an insistence that code run on the JVM. * It's inconvenient having multiple executables. Additionally, I've run into some problems in the past deploying to ancient Linux servers[5]. So for my use case, I don't care at all about interacting with Java code, I simply want to be able to turn my existing Haskell code into a JAR file. This seems like a much simpler undertaking, but I'm still not aware of any way to get this to happen right now either. Michael [1] http://dita-ot.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xml-enumerator [3] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xml-hamlet [4] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/uri-enumerator [5] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5953199/create-a-static-haskell-linux-executable On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:15 AM, JP Moresmau jpmores...@gmail.com wrote: I had started a project to start a JVM and call Java code from Haskell, but got sidetracked into EclipseFP, but I hope to go back to it someday. https://github.com/JPMoresmau/HJVM. Have a look at the test suite for some examples. Hope this helps JP On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Aatch blad...@gmail.com wrote: There are some projects to try and provide a bridge between Haskell and the JVM. Unfortunately none of the seem to have much development. As it stands, there is GCJNI, which allows Haskell to invoke Java code, seems like a Java version of hsc2hs, but the site is down, it just 404s. There is also haskell-jvm-bridge, but that doesn't look like it has any development for about 18 months, and there isn't much about it. Then there is LambdaVM, which looks the most promising, as it compiles GHC byte-code to JVM bytecode. However, it doesn't look it has been updated in a few years. You can try your luck with any of those, but currently, if you want a decent FFI for Java, you're probably going to have to resurrect one of those projects. --- James Miller On 11 October 2011 15:26, Claude Lee calee2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, vote+1. Theoretically, you can bridge Haskell and Java with FFI. It applys to small projects. Larger ones may need some build tools... Claude 2011/10/11 dokondr doko...@gmail.com Hi, I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one): http://nlp.stanford.edu/software/lex-parser.shtml What would be the most reliable framework for this? Thanks! Dmitri ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Three questions to graphviz
On 11 October 2011 17:00, kaffeepause73 kaffeepaus...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi Ivan, I already played around a fair bit with options in both cases, but there are quite a few so it gets quite worky with try and error. Definitely. I've never bothered fully documenting Data.GraphViz.Attributes.Complete fully solely because there are so many attributes, and at best I'd just be copy/pasting stuff from the upstream docs. As I add more user-friendly options to Data.GraphViz.Attributes, I'm starting to provide more specific comments regarding usage, etc. Basically: if I find a specific attribute to be useful with some corner cases or usage tricks where it's useful, I add documentation. I welcome anyone sending me patches (or even a chunk of text via email) about specific attributes to help flesh it out. Going to graphviz directly doesn't seem a bad idea. Well, it just takes the middle-man out of the loop. The upstream documentation is sometimes a little scarce about what all the attributes do, and playing around with them usually ends up being more informative. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
Maybe your Haskell code could be compiled with only minor modifications on something like CAL or Frege? There seems to be some interest in them these days, so maybe a translator is on its way... JP On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com wrote: Perhaps my needs are unique here, but I thought I'd mention them anyway. The main tool we use at work is based on a hodge-podge of Java, Ant and XSLT code[1]. This thing has to be constantly extended to support new functionality (or fix one of its myriad bugs), and there's no technical hurdle to using Haskell to that end. In fact, my company has released a few packages[2][3][4] specifically in this venture. There are two problems, however: * Some clients have an insistence that code run on the JVM. * It's inconvenient having multiple executables. Additionally, I've run into some problems in the past deploying to ancient Linux servers[5]. So for my use case, I don't care at all about interacting with Java code, I simply want to be able to turn my existing Haskell code into a JAR file. This seems like a much simpler undertaking, but I'm still not aware of any way to get this to happen right now either. Michael [1] http://dita-ot.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xml-enumerator [3] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xml-hamlet [4] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/uri-enumerator [5] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5953199/create-a-static-haskell-linux-executable On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:15 AM, JP Moresmau jpmores...@gmail.com wrote: I had started a project to start a JVM and call Java code from Haskell, but got sidetracked into EclipseFP, but I hope to go back to it someday. https://github.com/JPMoresmau/HJVM. Have a look at the test suite for some examples. Hope this helps JP On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Aatch blad...@gmail.com wrote: There are some projects to try and provide a bridge between Haskell and the JVM. Unfortunately none of the seem to have much development. As it stands, there is GCJNI, which allows Haskell to invoke Java code, seems like a Java version of hsc2hs, but the site is down, it just 404s. There is also haskell-jvm-bridge, but that doesn't look like it has any development for about 18 months, and there isn't much about it. Then there is LambdaVM, which looks the most promising, as it compiles GHC byte-code to JVM bytecode. However, it doesn't look it has been updated in a few years. You can try your luck with any of those, but currently, if you want a decent FFI for Java, you're probably going to have to resurrect one of those projects. --- James Miller On 11 October 2011 15:26, Claude Lee calee2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, vote+1. Theoretically, you can bridge Haskell and Java with FFI. It applys to small projects. Larger ones may need some build tools... Claude 2011/10/11 dokondr doko...@gmail.com Hi, I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one): http://nlp.stanford.edu/software/lex-parser.shtml What would be the most reliable framework for this? Thanks! Dmitri ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] wxhaskell : how to generate an event?
10.10.2011 16:42, Johannes Waldmann пишет: Dear all, in wxHaskell (core) I can set and get event handlers http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/wxcore/0.12.1.7/doc/html/Graphics-UI-WXCore-Events.html but how is it possible to create events (programmatically) and somehow feed them into the main event handling loop? I think I need this in an application that needs to handle concurrently events that arrive via the GUI (like mouse clicks) and events from an external source (specifically, alsa-midi input). Of course I could handle those extra events separately from wxcore, but they should ultimately result in changes to the GUI state, and it feels dangerous to do this without synchronisation. Any hints welcome. Thanks - J.W. Hello, hope this helps: http://snipplr.com/view/17538/ At least this is works for me. Regards, Dmitriy ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:34 AM, JP Moresmau jpmores...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe your Haskell code could be compiled with only minor modifications on something like CAL or Frege? There seems to be some interest in them these days, so maybe a translator is on its way... Likely not. xml-enumerator relies on attoparsec-text and blaze-builder, neither of which I'd imagine will work easily on either CAL or Frege. And xml-hamlet uses quasi-quotation, which almost certainly wouldn't work. I could likely change it from real QQ to some kind of preprocessor without too much effort, but I think overall it's a losing venture. Michael ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On 10/11/11 08:23 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote: So for my use case, I don't care at all about interacting with Java code, I simply want to be able to turn my existing Haskell code into a JAR file. This seems like a much simpler undertaking, but I'm still not aware of any way to get this to happen right now either. LambdaVM do exactly what you like, but is experimental and unfortunately out-dated. It's based on pre ghc 6.8: $ ./compiler/stage1/ghc-inplace --version The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.7.20081028 anyway, for hello world like examples it's working well, although benchmarking shows that it's slower on the same code then frege for example (testing just naive fib to compare recursion speed) I've contacted author several times and asked for updating or help with updating it to latest GHC HEAD but received no reply so far and unfortunately my Haskell knowledge is kind of enough to write just this hello world... Karel ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Karel Gardas karel.gar...@centrum.cz wrote: On 10/11/11 08:23 AM, Michael Snoyman wrote: So for my use case, I don't care at all about interacting with Java code, I simply want to be able to turn my existing Haskell code into a JAR file. This seems like a much simpler undertaking, but I'm still not aware of any way to get this to happen right now either. LambdaVM do exactly what you like, but is experimental and unfortunately out-dated. It's based on pre ghc 6.8: $ ./compiler/stage1/ghc-inplace --version The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.7.20081028 anyway, for hello world like examples it's working well, although benchmarking shows that it's slower on the same code then frege for example (testing just naive fib to compare recursion speed) I've contacted author several times and asked for updating or help with updating it to latest GHC HEAD but received no reply so far and unfortunately my Haskell knowledge is kind of enough to write just this hello world... Karel Yes, I really wish LambdaVM were alive and kicking. I've never actually hacked on GHC itself, but this might be the impetus to get me started. I might have some time to look at this in more depth a few months from now. Michael ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs. Dart
After Google's disappointing Dart announcement yesterday, I decided to tweak them a bit and mention Haskell and functional programming languages as an alternative: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111705054912446689620/posts/UcyLBH7RLXs Comments on the post are welcome! ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
Dmitri wrote: I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one)... Just out of curiosity, why do you not consider GF at all similar? To an outsider like me, there does appear to be quite a bit of similarity. http://www.grammaticalframework.org/ Thanks, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Yitzchak Gale g...@sefer.org wrote: Dmitri wrote: I need to call Stanford NLP Parser from Haskell (unfortunately Haskell does not have a similar one)... Just out of curiosity, why do you not consider GF at all similar? To an outsider like me, there does appear to be quite a bit of similarity. http://www.grammaticalframework.org/ Thanks, Yitz As I understand GF is well suited for parsing well defined formal languages. Not sure that GF can be used as NLP parser for blog messages that I need. Please correct me if I am wrong. As a general note, Java has tons of useful libraries that will take infinite time to re-implement in Haskell. To my mind it makes a lot of sense to have a reliable mechanism to call Java from Haskell. BTW, yet another way to do this: wrap Java library in RESTFUL web service ) -- All the best, Dmitri O. Kondratiev This is what keeps me going: discovery doko...@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/dokondr/welcome ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] PEPM'12 Deadline Extension
Apologies for multiple postings of this announcement. PEPM'12 - DEADLINE EXTENSION Due to a number of requests for extensions, the deadline for submission to PEPM'12 has been extended until 23:59 GMT on Sunday 16 October. We would like to remind you about three aspects of PEPM. Journal Special Issue There will be a journal special issue for PEPM'12. PEPM'09 has already appeared in Higher-order and Symbolic Computation (HOSC, online-first edition this year), and the special issue based on PEPM'10 papers has just been delivered to the HOSC editorial team. Short papers We're looking for short papers (up to 4pp) and tool papers as well as full research papers. All categories of papers will appear in the formal ACM proceedings. Tool papers The main purpose of a tool paper is to display other researchers in the PEPM community a completed, robust and well-documented tool; more guidance on the format and expected contact is given on the PEPM 2012 web site. In contrast with regular PEPM submissions, PEPM tool demo papers may include work that has been published elsewhere. In the ideal case, the technical foundations of the tool will have been published previously, and the submitted PEPM tool paper will report on follow-on work that has produced a robust tool that has been applied to interesting examples. The PEPM program committee will consider accepting tool demo papers that describe tools that have been presented at other conferences/ workshops if these conferences/ workshops belong to a different community (the authors should acknowledge the previous demos and justify the benefits of presenting the tool again for the PEPM audience). Call For Papers ACM SIGPLAN 2012 Workshop on Partial Evaluation and Program Manipulation January 23-24, 2012. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA (co-located with POPL'12) http://www.program-transformation.org/PEPM12 Paper submission deadline: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 23:59, GMT The PEPM Symposium/Workshop series aims to bring together researchers and practitioners working in the broad area of program transformation, which spans from refactoring, partial evaluation, supercompilation, fusion and other metaprogramming to model-driven development, program analyses including termination, inductive programming, program generation and applications of machine learning and probabilistic search. PEPM focuses on techniques, supporting theory, tools, and applications of the analysis and manipulation of programs. Each technique or tool of program manipulation should have a clear, although perhaps informal, statement of desired properties, along with an argument how these properties could be achieved. Topics of interest for PEPM'12 include, but are not limited to: - Program and model manipulation techniques such as: supercompilation, partial evaluation, fusion, on-the-fly program adaptation, active libraries, program inversion, slicing, symbolic execution, refactoring, decompilation, and obfuscation. - Program analysis techniques that are used to drive program/model manipulation such as: abstract interpretation, termination checking, binding-time analysis, constraint solving, type systems, automated testing and test case generation. - Techniques that treat programs/models as data objects including metaprogramming, generative programming, embedded domain-specific languages, program synthesis by sketching and inductive programming, staged computation, and model-driven program generation and transformation. - Application of the above techniques including case studies of program manipulation in real-world (industrial, open-source) projects and software development processes, descriptions of robust tools capable of effectively handling realistic applications, benchmarking. Examples of application domains include legacy program understanding and transformation, DSL implementations, visual languages and end-user programming, scientific computing, middleware frameworks and infrastructure needed for distributed and web-based applications, resource-limited computation, and security. To maintain the dynamic and interactive nature of PEPM, we will continue the category of `short papers' for tool demonstrations and for presentations of exciting if not fully polished research, and of interesting academic, industrial and open-source applications that are new or unfamiliar. Student attendants with accepted papers can apply for a SIGPLAN PAC grant to help cover travel expenses and other support. All accepted papers, short papers included, will appear in formal proceedings published by ACM Press and will be included in the ACM Digital Library. Selected papers may later on be invited for a journal special issue dedicated to PEPM'12. Submission Categories and Guidelines Authors are strongly encouraged to consult the advice for authoring research papers and tool papers before submitting. The PC Chairs welcome any inquiries about the authoring
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs. Dart
Kevin Jardine wrote: After Google's disappointing Dart announcement yesterday, I decided to tweak them a bit and mention Haskell and functional programming languages as an alternative: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111705054912446689620/posts/UcyLBH7RLXs Comments on the post are welcome! I didn't look very carefully, but from a Haskeller's point of view, I can't see any significant difference between Dart and JavaScript, except perhaps for the name. By comparison, CoffeeScript is a way more innovative venture. A far more useful thing for Google to do would be a standardized bytecode language for the browser; something that can be JITted efficiently while guaranteeing safety/security. This way, the compilation chain Haskell - bytecode - browser would finally be viable. Best regards, Heinrich Apfelmus -- http://apfelmus.nfshost.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: ircbot 0.1.1
Jeremy Shaw jer...@n-heptane.com wrote: 1. The library is based around the old String based irc library. Would be nice to upgrade to something that used ByteStrings+Text+Builder. Practically speaking.. it's IRC. The maximum line length is 510 characters, and the bot typically needs to handle, at most, a few messages per second. So, space and time issues would only be a practical concern if your bot is joining hundreds of channels. But, that is no excused not to use Text :) Perhaps the fastirc library? Hello there, I'm the author of the fastirc library. Even though it does address the problem of the old String-based 'irc' library, I wouldn't say that I'm very happy with the way it works. The library is a product of my early attempts to write fast, secure networking code in Haskell back in spring 2010. The protocol parser is based on attoparsec and is fast, but it doesn't work the way I would like it to work. It has a somewhat fragile way to ensure that lines don't get too long. Another shortcoming is the very weak session code, so if you want to use fastirc, you should only use the parser. I have started a new library based on attoparsec and the enumerator library, which is faster and handles line splitting properly with an enumeratee (that one is already on Hackage in the 'netlines' package). Also it will have good support for sessions using an FRP approach with the netwire library. However, be prepared to wait one or two weeks, until I have time to reach a point, where I can make an official release. Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife = sex) http://ertes.de/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Arrow based re-definition of `StateT' included in `Control.Arrow.'?
Hi all, Is the Arrow-based re-definition of `StateT' included somewhere in the `Control.Arrow.' stack, or do you put the code into your program explicitly? Thanks, -db ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:56 AM, dokondr doko...@gmail.com wrote: useful libraries that will take infinite time to re-implement in Haskell My brain just exploded. I can't handle infinite-length modules. In the e-mail thread The best way to call Java from Haskell? In the mailing list: haskell-cafe -- Felipe. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Is there a DFA library?
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:29:50 -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn rpglove...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for things like minimization, completion, etc. kinda like http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~cis639/docs/xfst.html This library's main purpose seems to be educational, but perhaps it's useful to you anyway: http://www3.di.uminho.pt/~jas/Research/HaLeX/HaLeX.html http://hackage.haskell.org/package/HaLeX Cheers, Daniel pgpN2L7oYwudk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Arrow based re-definition of `StateT' included in `Control.Arrow.'?
Control.Arrow.Transformer.State.StateArrow? Отправлено с iPad 11.10.2011, в 17:02, Captain Freako capn.fre...@gmail.com написал(а): Hi all, Is the Arrow-based re-definition of `StateT' included somewhere in the `Control.Arrow.' stack, or do you put the code into your program explicitly? Thanks, -db ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs. Dart
I disagree. They added types and interfaces to the language, giving it at least some type-safety (preventing me from making stupid mistakes that will only show up at runtime). I didn't look much further, but they _are_ extending the language itself. Coffeescript on the other hand, is just a different syntax for javascript, not really adding any features. I love coffeescript, it's way more readable and concise, but it's just that, a different syntax. I do like your suggestion about a bytecode language for browsers. Although I must say that haskell didn't get very far (as in: usable) on the other 2 big bytecode platforms (java/.net) yet, but probably browsers are a much more wanted target. Mathijs On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Heinrich Apfelmus apfel...@quantentunnel.de wrote: Kevin Jardine wrote: After Google's disappointing Dart announcement yesterday, I decided to tweak them a bit and mention Haskell and functional programming languages as an alternative: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111705054912446689620/posts/UcyLBH7RLXs Comments on the post are welcome! I didn't look very carefully, but from a Haskeller's point of view, I can't see any significant difference between Dart and JavaScript, except perhaps for the name. By comparison, CoffeeScript is a way more innovative venture. A far more useful thing for Google to do would be a standardized bytecode language for the browser; something that can be JITted efficiently while guaranteeing safety/security. This way, the compilation chain Haskell - bytecode - browser would finally be viable. Best regards, Heinrich Apfelmus -- http://apfelmus.nfshost.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell vs. Dart
Heinrich Apfelmus apfel...@quantentunnel.de wrote: I didn't look very carefully, but from a Haskeller's point of view, I can't see any significant difference between Dart and JavaScript, except perhaps for the name. By comparison, CoffeeScript is a way more innovative venture. If you want a useful client-side browser language, which is not just the same as JavaScript with a different syntax, look into Haxe [1]. That one is a statically, strongly typed language, which can be compiled down to JavaScript and other targets (PHP, ActionScript, SWF, C++, etc.). Some of the interesting features of it are algebraic data types, pattern matching, a module system and a rich standard library with lots of functionality which you always missed in JavaScript. It is also a great alternative, if you are forced to deploy PHP code and, like me, can't even find words strong enough to express the intensity of your absolute hate against that programming language. [1] http://haxe.org/ Greets, Ertugrul -- nightmare = unsafePerformIO (getWrongWife = sex) http://ertes.de/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
Felipe Almeida Lessa cites and comments: useful libraries that will take infinite time to re-implement in Haskell My brain just exploded. I can't handle infinite-length modules. Don't worry, my friend. Haskell is lazy, so there is no problem in handling those infinite modules. It will just take you an anfinite amount of time before you get any money from such a work. But this is a general problem elsewhere as well. Jerzy Karczmarczuk ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:56 AM, dokondr doko...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Yitzchak Gale g...@sefer.org wrote: Just out of curiosity, why do you not consider GF at all similar? To an outsider like me, there does appear to be quite a bit of similarity. As I understand GF is well suited for parsing well defined formal languages. Not sure that GF can be used as NLP parser for blog messages that I need. That is correct - more or less. GF is a very expressive language, and it can handle a great deal of natural language, but it /does/ require that the input be grammatically correct, and it is difficult to work in unexpected vocabulary. GF is fantastic for making flexible Controlled Natural Languages, and it excels at producing human-readable text, but it is an entirely different beast from a statistical natural language parser, such as Stanford's. re: the original question -- The best method I've found for interfacing Haskell / Java for NLP is to share data with some common format, such as UIMAs CAS serialization. We really ought to start up a group of people interested in that over on the Haskell NLP list and see what we have if we pool all our efforts. --Rogan Please correct me if I am wrong. As a general note, Java has tons of useful libraries that will take infinite time to re-implement in Haskell. To my mind it makes a lot of sense to have a reliable mechanism to call Java from Haskell. BTW, yet another way to do this: wrap Java library in RESTFUL web service ) -- All the best, Dmitri O. Kondratiev This is what keeps me going: discovery doko...@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/dokondr/welcome ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: simple-actors 0.1.0 - an eDSL library for actor model concurrency
I'm happy to announce the release of my library 'simple-actors', a
DSL-style library for more structured concurrent programs based on the
Actor Model. It offers an alternative to ad-hoc use of Chans that
allows for tight control of side-effects and message passing, and is
especially suited to applications such as simulations of
communicating processes.
You can try it with a
$ cabal install simple-actors
and view the documentation here:
http://hackage.haskell.org/package/simple-actors
or check out the repo here:
https://github.com/jberryman/simple-actors
Here is an example of a system of actors working as a binary tree,
supporting insert and query operations:
EXAMPLE
module Main
where
import Control.Concurrent.Actors
import Control.Applicative
import Control.Concurrent.MVar
type Node = Mailbox Operation
-- operations supported by the network:
data Operation = Insert { val :: Int }
| Query { val :: Int
, sigVar :: MVar Bool }
-- the actor equivalent of a Nil leaf node:
nil :: Behavior Operation
nil = Receive $ do
(Query _ var) - received
send var False -- signal that Int is not present in tree
return nil -- await next message
| do -- else, Insert received
l - spawn nil -- spawn child nodes
r - spawn nil
branch l r . val $ received -- create branch from inserted val
-- a branch node with an Int value 'v' and two children
branch :: Node - Node - Int - Behavior Operation
branch l r v = loop where
loop = Receive $ do
m - received
case compare (val m) v of
LT - send l m
GT - send r m
EQ - case m of -- signal Int present in tree:
(Query _ var) - send var True
_ - return ()
return loop
insert :: Node - Int - IO ()
insert t = send t . Insert
-- MVar is in the 'SplitChan' class so actors can 'send' to it:
query :: Node - Int - IO Bool
query t a = do
v - newEmptyMVar
send t (Query a v)
takeMVar v
main = do
t - spawn nil
mapM_ (insert t) [5,3,7,2,4,6,8]
mapM (query t) [1,5,0,7] = print
END EXAMPLE
I need to do some work on the documentation and performance testing.
If anyone has anyone questions or comments, I would love to hear them.
Thanks,
Brandon
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] wxhaskell : how to generate an event?
Dmitriy Nikitinskiy nick at bel.ru writes: http://snipplr.com/view/17538/ Looks good, and seems to work. Thanks! ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell i18n best practices
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Paulo Pocinho poci...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list. I've been trying to figure a nice method to provide localisation. An application is deployed using a conventional installer. The end-user is not required to have the Haskell runtimes, compiler or platform. The application should bundle ready to use translation data. What I am after is simple; an intuitive way that an interested translator, with little knowledge of Haskell, can look at and create valid translation data. I've been meaning to bundle up some i18n/l10n code that I have lying around from previous compiler projects. What I was using was a gettext/printf template haskell function that can be hunted for with xgettext, which expands to code that reads translated .po files for the current module at two different times. Once at compile time to check that any printf-style format strings are compatible across each translation, and again later at runtime to allow for additional translations to be added. The biggest headache I have is that doing all this requires a pretty hairy .cabal file, and I haven't yet figured out how to package that up nicely for use in libraries. I'll admit I have only ever really tested this with a joke en@lolcattranslation, which I auto-translate with perl, though I admit if I could find a nice perl module for generating zalgo-style text, en@zalgo would be pretty neat to auto-generate as well. I'm not sure its considered best practice, since I haven't bundled it up for third party use yet, but its *my* practice. ;) -Edward Kmett This is what I've been looking at lately. The first thing I noticed was the GNU gettext implementation for Haskell. The wiki page [1] has a nice explanation by Aufheben. The hgettext package is found here [2]. I don't know if this is a bad habit, but I had already separated the dialogue text in the code with variables holding the respective strings. At this time, I thought there could be some other way than gettext. Then I figured how to import localisation data, that the program loads, from external files. The data type is basically a tuple with variable-names associated with strings. This is bit like the file-embed package [3]. Still uncomfortable with i18n, I learned about the article I18N in Haskell in yesod blog [4]. I'd like to hear more about it. What is considered the best practice for localisation? -- [1] http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Internationalization_of_Haskell_programs [2] http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/hgettext/ [3] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/file-embed [4] http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2011/01/i18n-in-haskell ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] The best way to call Java from Haskell?
Jerzy Karczmarczuk jerzy.karczmarc...@unicaen.fr writes: Don't worry, my friend. Haskell is lazy, so there is no problem in handling those infinite modules. It will just take you an infinite amount of time before you get any money from such a work. But this is a general problem elsewhere as well. I guess you must be thinking of Haskell being increasingly used in banks? It must have been some bank manager who, after hiring one too many Haskell programmers, invented a scheme that would generate an infinite amount of money. He didn't realize before it was too late that the actual value of the scheme would be bottom... -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] hackage-cabal.tar.gz error
I've installed hoogle and when i type hoogle data, this comes out Extracting tarball... gzip: ../hackage-cabal.tar.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated hoogle: System command failed: gzip --decompress --force ../hackage-cabal.tar.gz What is going wrong? -- View this message in context: http://haskell.1045720.n5.nabble.com/hackage-cabal-tar-gz-error-tp4893434p4893434.html Sent from the Haskell - Haskell-Cafe mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Hunit Testing
Hello everyone I was going through this tutorial http://hunit.sourceforge.net/HUnit-1.0/Guide.html and just wrote some simple code but i am getting error ghcilet test1 = TestCase (assertEqual equal 3 ( id 3 )) ghcilet tests = [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ]ghcirunTestTT tests interactive:0:11: Couldn't match expected type `Test' with actual type `[Test]' In the first argument of `runTestTT', namely `tests' In the expression: runTestTT tests In an equation for `it': it = runTestTT tests Could some one please tell me what is wrong with this code. Regards Mukesh Tiwari ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trouble using State Monad.
Your filter type isn't a Monad.
In particular
bind :: (a - EitherT e (State FilterState) a) - (a - b - EitherT e
(State FilterState) b) - b - EitherT e (State FilterState) b
can't be implemented, as you have no place to grab an 'a' to pass to the
initial computation.
If you fix the input type, you can do
newtype Filter r e a = F {
runFilter :: r - EitherT e (State FilterState) a
}
which is isomorphic to
newtype Filter r e a = F {
runFilter :: ReaderT r (EitherT e (State FilterState)) a
}
which newtype deriving will be able to deal with easily.
-- ryan
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Captain Freako capn.fre...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to use the State Monad to help implement a digital filter:
17 newtype Filter e a = F {
18 runFilter :: a - EitherT e (State FilterState) a
19 } deriving (Monad, MonadState FilterState)
but I'm getting these compiler errors:
Filter.hs:19:14:
Can't make a derived instance of `Monad (Filter e)'
(even with cunning newtype deriving):
cannot eta-reduce the representation type enough
In the newtype declaration for `Filter'
Filter.hs:19:21:
Can't make a derived instance of
`MonadState FilterState (Filter e)'
(even with cunning newtype deriving):
cannot eta-reduce the representation type enough
In the newtype declaration for `Filter'
If I change the code to this:
17 newtype Filter e a = F {
* 18 runFilter :: EitherT e (State FilterState) a
** * 19 } deriving (Monad, MonadState FilterState)
it compiles, but I can't figure out how I'd feed the input to the filter,
in that case.
In comparing this to the tricks used in constructing the State Monad based
version of the `Parser' type,
I notice that Parser gets around this issue, by having the input (i.e. -
input stream) be a part of the initial state,
but I'm not sure that's appropriate for a digital filter.
Thanks,
-db
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hunit Testing
On 12 October 2011 09:25, mukesh tiwari mukeshtiwari.ii...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone I was going through this tutorial http://hunit.sourceforge.net/HUnit-1.0/Guide.html and just wrote some simple code but i am getting error ghcilet test1 = TestCase (assertEqual equal 3 ( id 3 )) ghcilet tests = [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ] This should be: ghcilet tests = TestList [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ] Notice the missing TestList constructor! -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Best bit LIST data structure
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Ryan Newton rrnew...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, it is simple. But I prefer to only use well-tested data structure
libraries where I can! Here's an example simple implementation (partial --
missing some common functions):
module Data.BitList
( BitList
, cons, head, tail, empty
, pack, unpack, length, drop
)
where
import Data.Int
import Data.Bits
import Prelude as P hiding (head,tail,drop,length)
import qualified Data.List as L
import Test.HUnit
data BitList = One {-# UNPACK #-} !Int {-# UNPACK #-} !Int64
| More {-# UNPACK #-} !Int {-# UNPACK #-} !Int64 BitList
I suggest
data BitTail = Zero | More {-# UNPACK #-} !Int64 BitTail
data BitList = Head {-# UNPACK #-} !Int {-# UNPACK #-} !Int64 BitTail
empty = Head 0 0 Zero
or else just
data BitList = Head {-# UNPACK #-} !Int {-# UNPACK #-} !Int64 [Int64]
empty = Head 0 0 []
length (Head n _ xs) = n + 64 * List.length xs
unpack :: BitList - [Bool]
unpack (One 0 _) = []
unpack (One i bv)= (bv `testBit` (i-1)) : unpack (One (i-1) bv)
unpack (More 0 _ r) = unpack r
unpack (More i bv r) = (bv `testBit` (i-1)) : unpack (More (i-1) bv r)
I'd implement as
view :: BitList - Maybe (Bool, BitList)
view (One 0 _) = Nothing
view bl = Just (head bl, tail bl)
unpack = unfoldr view
drop :: Int - BitList - BitList
drop 0 bl = bl
drop n bl | n = 64 = case bl of
One _ _- error drop: not enough elements in BitList
More i _ r - drop (n-i) r
drop n bl = case bl of
One i bv - One (i-n) bv
More i bv r - More (i-n) bv r
This is wrong.
drop 5 (More 1 0 (One 64 0))
-
More (-4) 0 (One 64 0)
Fixed version (also gives same behavior as List.drop when n length l)
drop :: Int - BitList - BitList
drop n (One i bv)
| n = i = empty
| otherwise = One (i - n) bv
drop n (More i bv r)
| n = i = drop (n - i) r
| otherwise = More (i - n) bv r
-- ryan
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hunit Testing
Thank you On Oct 12, 3:35 am, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 October 2011 09:25, mukesh tiwari mukeshtiwari.ii...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone I was going through this tutorial http://hunit.sourceforge.net/HUnit-1.0/Guide.html and just wrote some simple code but i am getting error ghcilet test1 = TestCase (assertEqual equal 3 ( id 3 )) ghcilet tests = [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ] This should be: ghcilet tests = TestList [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ] Notice the missing TestList constructor! -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-C...@haskell.orghttp://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Hunit Testing
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 03:55:43AM +0530, mukesh tiwari wrote: Hello everyone I was going through this tutorial http://hunit.sourceforge.net/HUnit-1.0/Guide.html and just wrote some simple code but i am getting error ghcilet test1 = TestCase (assertEqual equal 3 ( id 3 )) ghcilet tests = [ TestLabel test 1 test1 ]ghcirunTestTT tests interactive:0:11: Couldn't match expected type `Test' with actual type `[Test]' In the first argument of `runTestTT', namely `tests' In the expression: runTestTT tests In an equation for `it': it = runTestTT tests Could some one please tell me what is wrong with this code. This is something you should be able to figure out yourself. The error message is actually quite good. It says that it expects 'tests' to have type 'Test', but it actually has type '[Test]'. We can see why it has type [Test]: it is defined as tests = [ TestLabel ... ] that is, a list with a single element. So why is its type *expected* to be 'Test'? Well, look at the type of runTestTT: runTestTT :: Test - IO Counts It expects a Test as its argument. So, that is what is wrong. The right way to fix it is not as obvious, but Ivan already covered that. -Brent ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell i18n best practices
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Edward Kmett ekm...@gmail.com wrote: I'll admit I have only ever really tested this with a joke en@lolcat translation, which I auto-translate with perl, though I admit if I could find a nice perl module for generating zalgo-style text, en@zalgo would be pretty neat to auto-generate as well. Using Yesod's approach and assuming lolspeak :: String - String you could have render_en_lolcat = lolspeak . render_en_US Pretty neat! ;-D Cheers, -- Felipe. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANNOUNCE: simple-actors 0.1.0 - an eDSL library for actor model concurrency
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Brandon Simmons
brandon.m.simm...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm happy to announce the release of my library 'simple-actors', a
DSL-style library for more structured concurrent programs based on the
Actor Model. It offers an alternative to ad-hoc use of Chans that
allows for tight control of side-effects and message passing, and is
especially suited to applications such as simulations of
communicating processes.
Pretty interesting!
Here is an example of a system of actors working as a binary tree,
supporting insert and query operations:
[snip]
I'm kind of spoiled after having used Haskell for a long time, so I
couldn't ignore the fact that your example is tied to Ints and don't
store a value =). So I've changed the example, as seen below. It's
somewhat more complex, but I like the fact that now 'branch' has to
deal with updating the value of its key =).
-8-BEGIN-EXAMPLE-8
module Main
where
import Control.Concurrent.Actors
import Control.Applicative
import Control.Concurrent.MVar
type Node k v = Mailbox (Operation k v)
-- operations supported by the network:
data Operation k v = Insert { key :: k
, val :: v }
| Query { key:: k
, sigVar :: MVar (Maybe v) }
-- the actor equivalent of a Nil leaf node:
nil :: Ord k = Behavior (Operation k v)
nil = Receive $ do
(Query _key var) - received
send var Nothing -- signal that key is not present in tree
return nil -- await next message
| do -- else, Insert received
l - spawn nil -- spawn child nodes
r - spawn nil
(Insert key val) - received
return $ branch l r key val -- create branch from inserted val
-- a branch node with a key-value pair and two children
branch :: Ord k = Node k v - Node k v - k - v - Behavior (Operation k v)
branch l r k = go
where
go v = Receive $ do
m - received
case compare (key m) k of
LT - send l m cont v
GT - send r m cont v
EQ - case m of
(Query _ var) - send var (Just v) cont v
(Insert _ val) - cont val
cont = return . go
insert :: Node k v - (k, v) - IO ()
insert t (k,v) = send t (Insert k v)
-- MVar is in the 'SplitChan' class so actors can 'send' to it:
query :: Node k v - k - IO (Maybe v)
query t k = do
v - newEmptyMVar
send t (Query k v)
takeMVar v
main :: IO ()
main = do
t - spawn nil
mapM_ (insert t) [(5, five), (3, three), (7, seven),
(2, two), (4, four), (6, six),
(8, eight), (5, BOO!)]
mapM (query t) [1,2,5,7] = print
-8-END-EXAMPLE-8
Cheers,
--
Felipe.
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[Haskell-cafe] Up and Down the Latter of Abstraction
Hi Cafe. I came across an interesting page about interactive abstraction called Up and Down the Latter of Abstraction [1] while browsing hacker-news. Under the appendix Tools Implementation Bret Victor ponders: Perhaps language theorists will stop messing around with arrows and dependent types, and start inventing languages suitable for interactive development and discovery. I don't subscribe to the idea that static guarantees and functional characteristics are mutually exclusive to interactive development and discovery and I think they may actually complement each other extremely well, but this page certainly does sell the interactive aspect very effectively. The closest I've seen to this proces from Haskell seems to have come from luite and co (correct me if I'm wrong) and their work on the Diagrams package and its surrounding infrastructure [2], however, their interactive demonstrations no longer seem to be online. Still, the dominant interface seems to be web-based, and I feel that a native environment for this kind of explorative interactive programming would be more effective. Other languages that seem to be especially effective at this kind of development are Processing [3] and Mathematica [4]. Has anyone had experience with interactive development in Haskell? [1] - http://worrydream.com/LadderOfAbstraction/ -- Appendix: Tools Implementation [2] - http://pnyf.inf.elte.hu/fp/Diagrams_en.xml [3] - http://processing.org/ [4] - http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
