Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Platform 2013.2.0.0 64bit.pkg

2013-06-13 Thread Richard A. O'Keefe
My original problem was that I wanted to load a particular set of
packages using 'cabal install'.  It didn't work (cabal install issues)
and while the maintainer reacted promptly and helpfully, cabal
kept on trying to install the wrong version.

Part of the problem was that blasting away ~/.cabal and ~/Library/Haskell
wasn't enough:  it's necessary to blast away ~/.ghc as well (which I had
forgotten existed and of course never saw).

* It would be handy if 'uninstall-hs' had an option, say
* uninstall-hs --user
* so that a user could in one step make it as if they had never
* used the Haskell Platform.

(Sigh.  Changes to the GHC command line interface since 7.0 have
broken one of the packages I used to have installed, and the
maintainer's e-mail address doesn't work any more.  And sometimes
it seems as if every time I install anything with cabal something
else breaks.)

PS. Earlier today cabal gave me some confusing messages which
turned out to mean 'GSL isn't installed'.  Non-Haskell dependencies
could be explained a little more clearly.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 13.06.2013, 09:59 +0800 schrieb Niklas Hambüchen:
 In many discussions we make guesses about how much code proposals like
 Functor = Monad would break.
 
 You can use https://github.com/dterei/Hackager to build all of Hackage
 (preferably in a VM).
 
 Of course many packages have external dependencies, so I'd like to share
 the following list of packages to save you some time.

Great tool. Does someone have the resources to run it regularly (i.e.
daily), dump the results and the diff-to-previous run somewhere and link
the status (currently building/not building) on the hackage package?
More CI-like data and testing is always good!


How much overlap is there between this tool and stackage?


Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Vo Minh Thu
2013/6/13 Joachim Breitner m...@joachim-breitner.de

 Hi,

 Am Donnerstag, den 13.06.2013, 09:59 +0800 schrieb Niklas Hambüchen:
  In many discussions we make guesses about how much code proposals like
  Functor = Monad would break.
 
  You can use https://github.com/dterei/Hackager to build all of Hackage
  (preferably in a VM).
 
  Of course many packages have external dependencies, so I'd like to share
  the following list of packages to save you some time.

 Great tool. Does someone have the resources to run it regularly (i.e.
 daily), dump the results and the diff-to-previous run somewhere and link
 the status (currently building/not building) on the hackage package?
 More CI-like data and testing is always good!


I will give it a try in a few days, see if it is possible for me to do it
daily.

Thu
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: Angel 0.4.2

2013-06-13 Thread Oliver Charles
On 13 Jun 2013 06:51, Michael Xavier mich...@michaelxavier.net wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce the release of Angel 0.4.2 and that I have
officially taken over maintainership of this project. Thanks to Jamie
Turner for starting such a great project and allowing me to take over this
project.

Hi Michael, great to hear Angel is still active! Its a great project, so I
wish you good luck as the new maintainer. Thanks for your work!

- ocharles
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Vo Minh Thu
2013/6/13 Vo Minh Thu not...@gmail.com




 2013/6/13 Joachim Breitner m...@joachim-breitner.de

 Hi,

 Am Donnerstag, den 13.06.2013, 09:59 +0800 schrieb Niklas Hambüchen:
  In many discussions we make guesses about how much code proposals like
  Functor = Monad would break.
 
  You can use https://github.com/dterei/Hackager to build all of Hackage
  (preferably in a VM).
 
  Of course many packages have external dependencies, so I'd like to share
  the following list of packages to save you some time.

 Great tool. Does someone have the resources to run it regularly (i.e.
 daily), dump the results and the diff-to-previous run somewhere and link
 the status (currently building/not building) on the hackage package?
 More CI-like data and testing is always good!


 I will give it a try in a few days, see if it is possible for me to do it
 daily.

 Thu


I just read this note on Hackager's README:

For example, here is a run with GHC, no special options and using 4
threads (note that this generally takes a long time, i.e. a few days):
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Niklas Hambüchen
On 13/06/13 10:06, Conrad Parker wrote:
 How do we add packages to the list; do you have a github repo for it?

I've put it on haskell-pkg-janitors:

https://github.com/haskell-pkg-janitors/hackage-build-deps/blob/master/ubuntu-13.04.txt

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Niklas Hambüchen
On 13/06/13 18:36, Vo Minh Thu wrote:
 For example, here is a run with GHC, no special options and using 4
 threads (note that this generally takes a long time, i.e. a few days):

My builds finished in  10 hours on an i7.

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[Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Andrew Pennebaker
Could we add an HTML form for creating new Hackage accounts? Right now, our
community is small enough that emailing r...@soi.city.ac.uk and waiting for
a manual response isn't too bad of a problem, but as we grow, it would be
nice for these sorts of things to be handled by a server, like with
RubyGems and NPM.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Tobias Dammers
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 09:44:03AM -0400, Andrew Pennebaker wrote:
 Could we add an HTML form for creating new Hackage accounts? Right now, our
 community is small enough that emailing r...@soi.city.ac.uk and waiting for
 a manual response isn't too bad of a problem, but as we grow, it would be
 nice for these sorts of things to be handled by a server, like with
 RubyGems and NPM.

IMHO, a more pressing issue is SSL uploads and package signing. As it
stands, anyone with a Hackage account can upload a new version of any
given package, and some wire-sniffing is enough to reveal a legit user's
password.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Mihai Maruseac
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Tobias Dammers tdamm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 09:44:03AM -0400, Andrew Pennebaker wrote:
 Could we add an HTML form for creating new Hackage accounts? Right now, our
 community is small enough that emailing r...@soi.city.ac.uk and waiting for
 a manual response isn't too bad of a problem, but as we grow, it would be
 nice for these sorts of things to be handled by a server, like with
 RubyGems and NPM.

 IMHO, a more pressing issue is SSL uploads and package signing. As it
 stands, anyone with a Hackage account can upload a new version of any
 given package, and some wire-sniffing is enough to reveal a legit user's
 password.

I'd try to solve the latest two things first before going into
creating a specific form.

On the other hand, maybe we can rig something up with Yesod or similar
to solve all three points at the same time. I'm busy now with my
masters disertation but I can attempt something in a month if it seems
ok and no one else does it before that date.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Tobias Dammers
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:07:38PM +0300, Mihai Maruseac wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Tobias Dammers tdamm...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 09:44:03AM -0400, Andrew Pennebaker wrote:
  Could we add an HTML form for creating new Hackage accounts? Right now, our
  community is small enough that emailing r...@soi.city.ac.uk and waiting for
  a manual response isn't too bad of a problem, but as we grow, it would be
  nice for these sorts of things to be handled by a server, like with
  RubyGems and NPM.
 
  IMHO, a more pressing issue is SSL uploads and package signing. As it
  stands, anyone with a Hackage account can upload a new version of any
  given package, and some wire-sniffing is enough to reveal a legit user's
  password.
 
 I'd try to solve the latest two things first before going into
 creating a specific form.
 
 On the other hand, maybe we can rig something up with Yesod or similar
 to solve all three points at the same time. I'm busy now with my
 masters disertation but I can attempt something in a month if it seems
 ok and no one else does it before that date.

IIRC, there have been previous attempts, or at least a discussion. I
can't remember what the result was, though.

Either way, it'll take more than just a Yesod web application built over
a weekend; signed packages would require package authors to, well, sign,
so cabal would need features for that; you'd also have to extend it to
*check* those signatures, and give the user options to refuse or allow
unsigned packages. SSL should be relatively simple though, mostly a
matter of updating cabal's configuration and installing a suitable
certificate on the hackage server.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Erik Hesselink
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Tobias Dammers tdamm...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:07:38PM +0300, Mihai Maruseac wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Tobias Dammers tdamm...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 09:44:03AM -0400, Andrew Pennebaker wrote:
  Could we add an HTML form for creating new Hackage accounts? Right now, 
  our
  community is small enough that emailing r...@soi.city.ac.uk and waiting 
  for
  a manual response isn't too bad of a problem, but as we grow, it would be
  nice for these sorts of things to be handled by a server, like with
  RubyGems and NPM.
 
  IMHO, a more pressing issue is SSL uploads and package signing. As it
  stands, anyone with a Hackage account can upload a new version of any
  given package, and some wire-sniffing is enough to reveal a legit user's
  password.

 I'd try to solve the latest two things first before going into
 creating a specific form.

 On the other hand, maybe we can rig something up with Yesod or similar
 to solve all three points at the same time. I'm busy now with my
 masters disertation but I can attempt something in a month if it seems
 ok and no one else does it before that date.

 IIRC, there have been previous attempts, or at least a discussion. I
 can't remember what the result was, though.

 Either way, it'll take more than just a Yesod web application built over
 a weekend; signed packages would require package authors to, well, sign,
 so cabal would need features for that; you'd also have to extend it to
 *check* those signatures, and give the user options to refuse or allow
 unsigned packages. SSL should be relatively simple though, mostly a
 matter of updating cabal's configuration and installing a suitable
 certificate on the hackage server.

There have been numerous discussions about this already. One of the
tricky things is that cabal uses the HTTP package for http calls, and
it doesn't support SSL. Adding it is non-trivial on windows, I
believe.

As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

Erik

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Niklas Hambüchen
 As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
 Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

Does Hackage 2 have SSL at least for the web interface?

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

  As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
  Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

 Does Hackage 2 have SSL at least for the web interface?


Doesn't look like it. :(

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Erik Hesselink
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:
 As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
 Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

 Does Hackage 2 have SSL at least for the web interface?

I think it should be possible to set that up by proxying through e.g.
Apache. You have to be careful to open up all urls 'cabal' accesses
over http as well, but otherwise, I don't see a problem with that
setup. I'm not quite sure what it would achieve, though.

Erik

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[Haskell-cafe] ANN: custom-hackage

2013-06-13 Thread Niklas Hambüchen
https://github.com/nh2/custom-hackage

An (almost trivial) script to generate 00-index.tar.gz which is
necessary to run your own `remote-repo`.

If you are a company that has to rely on that not everybody with a
Hackage account can run arbitrary code on your computer at your next
cabal install, and you want to make available only select versions of
packages (as opposed to a full hackage mirror), this is for you.

Just drop your tars into the directory structure, run the script and
serve it over HTTP.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Niklas Hambüchen
 I'm not quite sure what it would achieve, though.

That if I want to upload something without my password going over in 
plain text, I can at least use the file upload form.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Jeremy Shaw
No idea, But if not, it should be trivial to add support. The two main
issues would be getting an SSL certificate (if one does not already exist)
and then making sure that the links do not hardcode the schema. So //
hackage.haskell.org/foo instead of http://hackage.haskell.org/.

Then the site can be served using simpleHTTPS instead of simpleHTTP.

- jeremy


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

  As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
  Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

 Does Hackage 2 have SSL at least for the web interface?

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Maksymilian Owsianny
I was thinking about something similar some time ago, but not just
testing but also fixing things automatically. Taking for example
Semigroup = Monoid this would break in places where you have instance
for Monoid but don't have instance for Semigroup. But if you have
instance for Monoid making instance for Semigroup is straightforward:

instance Semigroup TypeYouAreFixing where
() = copy code from mappend for that type

I'm still kind of new to Haskell, so I'm not sure how hard such,
TemplateHaskell-like automagic migration tool, would be to make, but
I feel like such a tool would be of incredible importance for the
community. Because otherwise, without such thing, there are usually
two ways a language can evolve:
1. Caring for backwards compatibility, and accumulating mistakes
   like that over time, and becoming more and more like crap.
2. Making fixes that break everyones code, and because of that
   being ignored by the industry.

I like Haskell because it usually takes the second route, but as
community grows it will be less and less the case. With such a tool
you could have best of both worlds.

Though I assume that somebody already thought of that and come to the
conclusion that in general case you cannot make such tool because
Gödel is a bastard that breaks everyones toys, or something along this
lines.



On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

 On 13/06/13 18:36, Vo Minh Thu wrote:
  For example, here is a run with GHC, no special options and using 4
  threads (note that this generally takes a long time, i.e. a few days):

 My builds finished in  10 hours on an i7.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread AlanKim Zimmerman
Roman Cheplyaka has written a tool called HasFix for updating source based
on new versions of libraries.

The presentation on it is here http://ro-che.info/docs/ and the code is at
https://github.com/feuerbach/hasfix

Perhaps it could be pressed into use for automatic update of historical
code?

Alan



On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Maksymilian Owsianny 
maksymilian.owsia...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was thinking about something similar some time ago, but not just
 testing but also fixing things automatically. Taking for example
 Semigroup = Monoid this would break in places where you have instance
 for Monoid but don't have instance for Semigroup. But if you have
 instance for Monoid making instance for Semigroup is straightforward:

 instance Semigroup TypeYouAreFixing where
 () = copy code from mappend for that type

 I'm still kind of new to Haskell, so I'm not sure how hard such,
 TemplateHaskell-like automagic migration tool, would be to make, but
 I feel like such a tool would be of incredible importance for the
 community. Because otherwise, without such thing, there are usually
 two ways a language can evolve:
 1. Caring for backwards compatibility, and accumulating mistakes
like that over time, and becoming more and more like crap.
 2. Making fixes that break everyones code, and because of that
being ignored by the industry.

 I like Haskell because it usually takes the second route, but as
 community grows it will be less and less the case. With such a tool
 you could have best of both worlds.

 Though I assume that somebody already thought of that and come to the
 conclusion that in general case you cannot make such tool because
 Gödel is a bastard that breaks everyones toys, or something along this
 lines.



 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

 On 13/06/13 18:36, Vo Minh Thu wrote:
  For example, here is a run with GHC, no special options and using 4
  threads (note that this generally takes a long time, i.e. a few days):

 My builds finished in  10 hours on an i7.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Maksymilian Owsianny
Hmm... I'll have to look into it, but it looks promising. Now if we
could make hackage run such fixes automatically whilst sending pull
requests to authors... then maybe we could even fix The Great Num
Fiasco of 98.


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM, AlanKim Zimmerman alan.z...@gmail.comwrote:

 Roman Cheplyaka has written a tool called HasFix for updating source based
 on new versions of libraries.

 The presentation on it is here http://ro-che.info/docs/ and the code is
 at https://github.com/feuerbach/hasfix

 Perhaps it could be pressed into use for automatic update of historical
 code?

 Alan



 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Maksymilian Owsianny 
 maksymilian.owsia...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was thinking about something similar some time ago, but not just
 testing but also fixing things automatically. Taking for example
 Semigroup = Monoid this would break in places where you have instance
 for Monoid but don't have instance for Semigroup. But if you have
 instance for Monoid making instance for Semigroup is straightforward:

 instance Semigroup TypeYouAreFixing where
 () = copy code from mappend for that type

 I'm still kind of new to Haskell, so I'm not sure how hard such,
 TemplateHaskell-like automagic migration tool, would be to make, but
 I feel like such a tool would be of incredible importance for the
 community. Because otherwise, without such thing, there are usually
 two ways a language can evolve:
 1. Caring for backwards compatibility, and accumulating mistakes
like that over time, and becoming more and more like crap.
 2. Making fixes that break everyones code, and because of that
being ignored by the industry.

 I like Haskell because it usually takes the second route, but as
 community grows it will be less and less the case. With such a tool
 you could have best of both worlds.

 Though I assume that somebody already thought of that and come to the
 conclusion that in general case you cannot make such tool because
 Gödel is a bastard that breaks everyones toys, or something along this
 lines.



 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

 On 13/06/13 18:36, Vo Minh Thu wrote:
  For example, here is a run with GHC, no special options and using 4
  threads (note that this generally takes a long time, i.e. a few days):

 My builds finished in  10 hours on an i7.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Testing invasive proposals with Hackager

2013-06-13 Thread Mateusz Kowalczyk
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On 13/06/13 23:13, Maksymilian Owsianny wrote:
 Hmm... I'll have to look into it, but it looks promising. Now if
 we could make hackage run such fixes automatically whilst sending
 pull requests to authors... then maybe we could even fix The Great
 Num Fiasco of 98.
 
 
I don't know about automatic pull requests (perhaps e-mail to the
maintainer with a patch is a far better and easier to implement idea)
but something to let maintainers know that their package no longer
builds on GHC HEAD (per request of the maintainer) or with a new
proposal in place would be a very useful tool to have.

- -- 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Automating Hackage accounts

2013-06-13 Thread Alp Mestanogullari
Most of the issues raised here indeed are addressed in Hackage2 already, or
are planned to be. Too few people working on it though. See the Hackage
mess section in [1] for more info on Hackage2 and [2] to see the running
instance.


[1] http://alpmestan.com/2012/11/02/cabal-hackage-what-you-can-do-about-it/
[2] http://new-hackage.haskell.org


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Jeremy Shaw jer...@n-heptane.com wrote:

 No idea, But if not, it should be trivial to add support. The two main
 issues would be getting an SSL certificate (if one does not already exist)
 and then making sure that the links do not hardcode the schema. So //
 hackage.haskell.org/foo instead of http://hackage.haskell.org/.

 Then the site can be served using simpleHTTPS instead of simpleHTTP.

 - jeremy


 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Niklas Hambüchen m...@nh2.me wrote:

  As for the user account creation and uploading packages you don't own,
  Hackage 2 (any day now) has fixes for both.

 Does Hackage 2 have SSL at least for the web interface?

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[Haskell-cafe] Haskell for Programmers Workshop: Denver, Colorado

2013-06-13 Thread Peter Jones
Since this is shameless self-promotion I'll keep it short.

I'm teaching a Haskell workshop for imperative programmers in Denver,
Colorado, September 16-18.  If you want more information please take a
look at the workshop website:

  http://www.devalot.com/workshops/haskell/index.html

-- 
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