Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC including System.Time but not Data.Time?
Lennart Augustsson wrote: Removing a package in a minor release is, to quote, an epic fail. I don't understand how that could be done. I agree. Is there any chance of 6.10.3 reverting the change? -- John -- Lennart On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:44:12 PM, you wrote: I understand the goal of removing stuff from GHC, but the practical implications can be rather annoying. i think that Haskell Platform will eventually replace what GHC was for a years, i.e. out-of-box solution for practical haskell usage. and ghc should be just what its name implies - bare compiler but i agree that stripping one package in minor 6.10.2 version, w/o Haskell Platform really available was an error -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] GHC including System.Time but not Data.Time?
Hello John, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 5:35:00 PM, you wrote: I agree. Is there any chance of 6.10.3 reverting the change? both 6.6 and 6.8 had last releases at spring, so i don't expect new 6.10.* at all -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] GHC including System.Time but not Data.Time?
Hi folks, Apologies in advance because this sounds rantish... So I went to my friendly API reference at http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/index.html and noticed that I couldn't find Data.Time there anymore. Though it was still at http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/6.10.1/html/libraries/index.html After some checking on IRC, apparently this is on purpose. I find it *incredibly* annoying, and leaves us with the following unfortunate set of circumstances: 1) GHC ships with NO way to do date/time calculations in the preferred way (Data.Time) 2) GHC's docs reference only the obsolete (System.Time) way of doing things, with no reference to the preferred way. 3) I can't tell people to just install GHC and expect them to be able to perform date time calculations the preferred way. Just about EVERY other language (C, Perl, Java, Python, etc.) come with this as part of the base install. 4) I can't update all my apps to use Data.Time without worrying about Yet Another Dependency. 5) Result: black eye on us. As I saw on IRC: quicksilver the system isn't supposed to work out the box. quicksilver the haskell platform is supposed to work out of the box. quicksilver (shame it doesn't exist) Which is a fine goal, but until then, pretty please don't go dropping Data.Time out of GHC. I understand the goal of removing stuff from GHC, but the practical implications can be rather annoying. -- John ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC including System.Time but not Data.Time?
Hello John, Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:44:12 PM, you wrote: I understand the goal of removing stuff from GHC, but the practical implications can be rather annoying. i think that Haskell Platform will eventually replace what GHC was for a years, i.e. out-of-box solution for practical haskell usage. and ghc should be just what its name implies - bare compiler but i agree that stripping one package in minor 6.10.2 version, w/o Haskell Platform really available was an error -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHC including System.Time but not Data.Time?
Removing a package in a minor release is, to quote, an epic fail. I don't understand how that could be done. -- Lennart On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Bulat Ziganshin bulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:44:12 PM, you wrote: I understand the goal of removing stuff from GHC, but the practical implications can be rather annoying. i think that Haskell Platform will eventually replace what GHC was for a years, i.e. out-of-box solution for practical haskell usage. and ghc should be just what its name implies - bare compiler but i agree that stripping one package in minor 6.10.2 version, w/o Haskell Platform really available was an error -- Best regards, Bulat mailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
