Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell-cafe reply-to etiquette

2007-12-29 Thread Ketil Malde
Albert Y. C. Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 B. This mailing list sets the List-Post header:

 List-Post: mailto:haskell-cafe@haskell.org

 Progressive mail clients honour this, e.g., Evolution. Thus you are
 given three buttons:

I'm rather tied to my MUA, and while I'm not complaining (and Gnus
lets me conpensate for different practices on a list-by-list basis),
it's really the list management software, mailman, that should allow
individual subscribers to configure the headers.

So for people unhappy with the current situation, you can either fix
mailman, or, for extra credit, write a better replacement in Haskell
:-)

-k
-- 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell-cafe reply-to etiquette

2007-12-28 Thread Albert Y. C. Lai

Justin Bailey wrote:

When I joined the haskell-cafe mailing list, I was surprised to see
the reply-to header on each message was set to the sender of a given
message to the list, rather than the list itself. That seemed counter
to other mailing lists I had been subscribed to, but I didn't think
too much about it.


In addition to agreeing with the article Reply-To Munging Considered 
Harmful, I want to remark that:


A. This mailing list does not set the Reply-To header whatsoever. Not 
even to the author. When you hit reply, the destination is taken from 
From, not Reply-To. Thus



I was surprised to see
the reply-to header on each message was set to the sender


was inaccurate.

B. This mailing list sets the List-Post header:

List-Post: mailto:haskell-cafe@haskell.org

Progressive mail clients honour this, e.g., Evolution. Thus you are 
given three buttons:


reply - Reply-To or From
reply all - all found addresses
reply to list - List-Post

In my opinion this is the way to go. The semantics of List-Post is 
clear cut. The semantics of Reply-To is too overloaded to be relied on.


I don't use Evolution - I am still at Thunderbird 1.5. It doesn't know 
the List-Post header. (But there may be plugins to add it.) But I do 
the little extra manual work of: reply all, then take out the author's 
address and just keep the list address. On the other hand, I completely 
don't mind receiving duplicates.


In my opinion, if I choose to use dumb software, I should be the one 
making up for it, not ask the whole world to fudge semantics to please 
my dumb software. Lowest common denominators are evil.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell-cafe reply-to etiquette

2007-12-27 Thread Tom Phoenix
On Dec 27, 2007 3:36 PM, Justin Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I joined the haskell-cafe mailing list, I was surprised to see
 the reply-to header on each message was set to the sender of a given
 message to the list, rather than the list itself. That seemed counter
 to other mailing lists I had been subscribed to, but I didn't think
 too much about it.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Cheers!

--Tom Phoenix
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell-cafe reply-to etiquette

2007-12-27 Thread Lutz Donnerhacke
* Justin Bailey wrote:
 When I joined the haskell-cafe mailing list, I was surprised to see
 the reply-to header on each message was set to the sender of a given
 message to the list, rather than the list itself.

That's good practice.

 That seemed counter to other mailing lists I had been subscribed to, but
 I didn't think too much about it.

Please search for Reply-To considered harmful and send this text to the
admins of the other lists. The discussion is older than Google.
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[Haskell-cafe] Haskell-cafe reply-to etiquette

2007-12-27 Thread Justin Bailey
When I joined the haskell-cafe mailing list, I was surprised to see
the reply-to header on each message was set to the sender of a given
message to the list, rather than the list itself. That seemed counter
to other mailing lists I had been subscribed to, but I didn't think
too much about it.

Well, the comment below prompted me to ask the question - do people
care? Personally, I like to respond to the list, keeping discussions
open by default and reducing (potential) spam on someone's inbox. As
impersonal as email can be, it also seems a bit intrusive to write
someone directly who I don't have a prior relationship with except for
responding to some message they  happened to post.

Thoughts?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Claus Reinke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Dec 26, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Haskell] Re: ANNOUNCE: GHC version 6.8.2
To: Benjamin L. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[if this thread has to keep running, could you please drop me of the cc?
 and how did it manage to end up on haskell@ - that is the wrong list ]


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