Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On 27/07/10 18:58, Andrew Coppin wrote: Magnus Therning wrote: On 26/07/10 22:01, Andrew Coppin wrote: So I'm told. But it appears that some people believe that NNTP *is* Usenet, which is not the case. I use NNTP almost every single day, but I've never seen Usenet in my life... So you've only ever been on private NNTP servers then, never browsed through comp.* or sci.*? I don't even know what they are. (Except that now, by inference, I can guess they're something to do with Usenet.) Ah, fascinating, there must be an entire world of NNTP servers out there that I've never come across :-) My previous employer had an internal NNTP server running, which was a virtual gold mine of knowledge and insight. It was a largely unknown gold mine at that. Anyway, I know there are several locations where I can host a mailing list (google groups, yahoo etc), are there similar free services that offer free NNTP services? For example, Microsoft has a private NNTP server for technical support. Ah, that's very useful to know. /M signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Brandon S Allbery KF8NH allb...@ece.cmu.edu writes: Usenet *is* NNTP. In the same way the web is HTTP... (Usenet is a set of global, distributed forums using a message format similar enough to email (RFC822 + extensions) that many mail reader software supports news, and vice versa. NNTP is the protocol used for user access and distribution. IIRC - anybody interested in more accuracy will have to look it up :-) -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:09 AM, aditya siram aditya.si...@gmail.com wrote: We have a Google group. Doesn't that qualify? One can't post to Haskell Cafe through the usenet/NNTP/google group interface... ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Magnus Therning wrote: On 26/07/10 22:01, Andrew Coppin wrote: So I'm told. But it appears that some people believe that NNTP *is* Usenet, which is not the case. I use NNTP almost every single day, but I've never seen Usenet in my life... So you've only ever been on private NNTP servers then, never browsed through comp.* or sci.*? I don't even know what they are. (Except that now, by inference, I can guess they're something to do with Usenet.) For example, Microsoft has a private NNTP server for technical support. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Hi all, I want to open a Haskell forum based on phpBB, but I need some collaborators for organize its content, and moderate its use. When we have finished, I will open this forum for the entire community of Haskell! If you are interested, mail me: danield...@asofilak.es Thanks in advance. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
2010/7/26 Daniel Díaz lazy.dd...@gmail.com: Hi all, I want to open a Haskell forum based on phpBB, but I need some collaborators for organize its content, and moderate its use. When we have finished, I will open this forum for the entire community of Haskell! Hi, The idea of a forum has been brought to this list a few times in the past. Unfortunately for those who thought it was a good idea, it didn't really catched up. Haskellers are generaly found of the mailing-list interface. Beside, with stackoverflow, reddit, #haskell, the wiki, the upcoming social hackage, ... our bases are nicely covered. Do you know have some particular ideas that a forum would be a good new avenue for haskellers? Cheers, Thu ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Well, I thought that it may be a more comfortable way to communicate between us. Specially for newcomers. Don't forget that Haskell is a growing community. It's just my opinion. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
I agree. A web forum would be more friendly to newcomers, easier to browse, and better organized, than the mailing list. Some people will still prefer the mailing list of course, but I think there will be enough demand to justify a forum :) - Job On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Daniel Díaz lazy.dd...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I thought that it may be a more comfortable way to communicate between us. Specially for newcomers. Don't forget that Haskell is a growing community. It's just my opinion. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On 10:37 Mon 26 Jul , Job Vranish wrote: I agree. A web forum would be more friendly to newcomers, easier to browse, and better organized, than the mailing list. I don't understand this sentiment at all. How are web forums easier to browse than list archives? Especially given that there are usually multiple archives for each ML, with a variety of ways to use them (e.g., I tend to use gmane with my newsreader for this purpose). Some people will still prefer the mailing list of course, but I think there will be enough demand to justify a forum :) Wine has a web forum that is directly connected to their mailing lists: each post on the forum is sent to the corresponding list and vice versa. The web forum interface doesn't support proper threading, but it otherwise seems to work OK. Perhaps something like that would be useful? -- Nick Bowler, Elliptic Technologies (http://www.elliptictech.com/) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 15:47, Nick Bowler nbow...@elliptictech.com wrote: On 10:37 Mon 26 Jul , Job Vranish wrote: I agree. A web forum would be more friendly to newcomers, easier to browse, and better organized, than the mailing list. I don't understand this sentiment at all. How are web forums easier to browse than list archives? Especially given that there are usually multiple archives for each ML, with a variety of ways to use them (e.g., I tend to use gmane with my newsreader for this purpose). Irrespective of what is easier to use, what really counts is where the *targets* of your post hang out. Personally I prefer a mailing list, and I would only ever use a forum if I had a better chance of getting good and informative answers there. Another option is to import the entire haskell-cafe archive into gmail :-) Some people will still prefer the mailing list of course, but I think there will be enough demand to justify a forum :) Wine has a web forum that is directly connected to their mailing lists: each post on the forum is sent to the corresponding list and vice versa. The web forum interface doesn't support proper threading, but it otherwise seems to work OK. Perhaps something like that would be useful? This would be a good compromise. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
I'd only really go on a Haskell forum hosted at haskell.org. If there wlil be one, I'd moderate. Only things a forum has over a mailing list is syntax highlighting and attachments imo. Cons are being tied to a web site, anonymity, existence of moderators, etc. Seems a bit like spreading the community thin. It's not *that* big. On 26 July 2010 15:30, Daniel Díaz lazy.dd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I want to open a Haskell forum based on phpBB, but I need some collaborators for organize its content, and moderate its use. When we have finished, I will open this forum for the entire community of Haskell! If you are interested, mail me: danield...@asofilak.es Thanks in advance. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Hi. I personally find web-forum a more convenient and structured way of communication. I will help if the forum exports posts or topics as a feed. Are you strictly devoted to phpBB? I think that fluxBB is a decent choice. Just suggesting. On 26.07.10 16:30, Daniel Díaz wrote: I want to open a Haskell forum based on phpBB, but I need some collaborators for organize its content, and moderate its use. -- Best regards, Roman Beslik. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Vo Minh Thu wrote: The idea of a forum has been brought to this list a few times in the past. Unfortunately for those who thought it was a good idea, it didn't really catched up. Haskellers are generaly found of the mailing-list interface. I'm not particularly fond of mailing lists. It's a very unstructured way to manage large volumes of messages. (Plus my ISP's spam filter is utterly hopeless. It somehow fails to block the actual spam, and yet repeatedly marks Haskell Cafe messages as spam...) My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Beside, with stackoverflow, reddit, #haskell, the wiki, the upcoming social hackage, ... our bases are nicely covered. Kind of fragmented though, no? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/26/10 15:56 , Andrew Coppin wrote: My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Usenet *is* NNTP. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxN6lQACgkQIn7hlCsL25VNdgCgt3dLl3e7l5jBEdZC5ogEamKB 5V0An0HDm12NbgWHjjNd8tuKaXggAwRM =jXbn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On 20:56 Mon 26 Jul , Andrew Coppin wrote: My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Conveniently, all of the haskell mailing lists have an NNTP interface available. Add news.gmane.org as a server in your newsreader and subscribe to gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe. -- Nick Bowler, Elliptic Technologies (http://www.elliptictech.com/) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 7/26/10 15:56 , Andrew Coppin wrote: My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Usenet *is* NNTP. So I'm told. But it appears that some people believe that NNTP *is* Usenet, which is not the case. I use NNTP almost every single day, but I've never seen Usenet in my life... ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On 26/07/10 22:01, Andrew Coppin wrote: Brandon S Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 7/26/10 15:56 , Andrew Coppin wrote: My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Usenet *is* NNTP. So I'm told. But it appears that some people believe that NNTP *is* Usenet, which is not the case. I use NNTP almost every single day, but I've never seen Usenet in my life... So you've only ever been on private NNTP servers then, never browsed through comp.* or sci.*? Wikipedia has a nice article on usenet, of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet /M signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Nick Bowler wrote: On 20:56 Mon 26 Jul , Andrew Coppin wrote: My personal preference would be for NNTP. It seems to handle threading much better. You can easily kill threads you're not interested in, and thereafter not bother downloading them. You can use several different client programs. And so on. However, last time I voiced this opinion, people started talking about something called usenet, which I've never heard of... Conveniently, all of the haskell mailing lists have an NNTP interface available. Add news.gmane.org as a server in your newsreader and subscribe to gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe. I often find messages in this mailing list with such detailed and valuable information that I want to print them, take them away, and study them for a couple of days. From Mail, nothing could be simpler. Visiting gmane with Google Chromium, all I can ever print is the first screen or so of a pane. I am *sick* of web browsers that cannot or will not print the whole of a frame. You'd think Google Chromium would do better, but no. It does try to help by *printing* scroll bars, though... Mailing list = simple yes trouble no. Browser based = simple no trouble yes. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
Hi, I think it might be valuable to have a web forum. Not as a different interface to the same community, but as a different community. Perhaps the sort of people that prefer mailing lists and the sort of people that prefer web forums are different after all, and a community that grows up around a forum could serve different needs and exhibit different characteristics to that of the mailing list. It would not be fragmentation, it would be growth, and I imagine there would be a degree of overlap. For me the choice of mailing list or web forum depends on the topic, and how I want to use it, I think for me, when it comes to feeling part of a Haskell community a web forum may suit better than the mailing list, so I would like to try it. For me mailing lists are great for focussed technical questions and discussions, but less useful for building a community. A web forum tends to be less sterile and allows more personality to show through and I guess it allows a bit more of the culture surrounding the core tech to flourish, as members begin to form images of each other. Definitely not for many of you I am sure, but I think if the goal is to nourish a culture and encourage a true community rather than just technical QA, then a web forum would be an intriguing option. But a different interface to the same community doesn't make much sense. And let us try and find a Haskell based software solution for it, I thought phpBB was a joke in the OP. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell Forum
We have a Google group. Doesn't that qualify? -deech On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Kurt Häusler kurt.haeus...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I think it might be valuable to have a web forum. Not as a different interface to the same community, but as a different community. Perhaps the sort of people that prefer mailing lists and the sort of people that prefer web forums are different after all, and a community that grows up around a forum could serve different needs and exhibit different characteristics to that of the mailing list. It would not be fragmentation, it would be growth, and I imagine there would be a degree of overlap. For me the choice of mailing list or web forum depends on the topic, and how I want to use it, I think for me, when it comes to feeling part of a Haskell community a web forum may suit better than the mailing list, so I would like to try it. For me mailing lists are great for focussed technical questions and discussions, but less useful for building a community. A web forum tends to be less sterile and allows more personality to show through and I guess it allows a bit more of the culture surrounding the core tech to flourish, as members begin to form images of each other. Definitely not for many of you I am sure, but I think if the goal is to nourish a culture and encourage a true community rather than just technical QA, then a web forum would be an intriguing option. But a different interface to the same community doesn't make much sense. And let us try and find a Haskell based software solution for it, I thought phpBB was a joke in the OP. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
