Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
I agree that we should use the first round of voting to learn what the general consensus of the Haskell community is on a logo design idea (and to filter out the non-viable logos). In the spirit of bikeshedding, I would love to see---and would volunteer to spend part of a day editing, say, the top one or two logos, in Photoshop---generating numerous variations on fonts, colors (text, emblem and background), and relative font/emblem sizes. (Alternately, the original author of the favorite logo(s) could produce said variations.) Then I think we should vote on the final minor variations. I can *almost* picture a few of the current logos becoming the Final logo, but not As Is; there are many great ideas but some of them (or combinations of a few of them) could be improved in minor ways, bringing things (at least to me) up to professional level for a logo. (cf. the python.org logo) Jared. On 3/9/09, Ian Lynagh ig...@earth.li wrote: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:13:40AM +, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: Another reason condorcet voting is nice is that there is no need to group similar items together. I think the plan is that once a logo class is chosen, we'll have another vote for the actual colour scheme etc to be used, if applicable. Yes, we could have done this in a single vote, but then people would need to spend time creating 30 variants of each logo, and we'd be ranking 3000, rather than 100, options. Thanks Ian ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:19:43 -0700, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: [...] I'm currently liking 30 (specifically, 30.7) 58 61 (specifically, the second image) 62 It would be nice to be able to specify a specific member image of a group of images; for example, the second image in group 61. Currently, none of the member images in group 61 is individually numbered; will we be able to choose a specific image from this kind of group? Also, it might be nice to have some more variations for group 61, specifically; for example, it may be nice to be able to select the text for the second image, combined with the snowflake symbol for the lower-right corner logo of the leftmost rectangle of images: Although the font for the two is identical, the spacing is subtly wider in the former. -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Benjamin L. Russell dekudekup...@yahoo.comwrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:19:43 -0700, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: [...] I'm currently liking 30 (specifically, 30.7) 58 61 (specifically, the second image) 62 It would be nice to be able to specify a specific member image of a group of images; for example, the second image in group 61. Currently, none of the member images in group 61 is individually numbered; will we be able to choose a specific image from this kind of group? Another reason condorcet voting is nice is that there is no need to group similar items together. Condorcet voting eliminates the spoiler candidate effect, so having N almost identical entries won't adversely affect that group (by spreading out the votes for that group among more sub-entries than for groups with only one entry in it). So actually I don't understand whey the logos are grouped at all, they could all just be listed individually, and then people can put them all at the same rank (make tie in the interface) if they don't care which one of the group they want, or they can differentiate between them if they like. You could possibly name them 60 a, 60 b etc. to indicate that they are similar, but there's no reason not to allow people to differentiate between them if tehy so choose. -- Sebastian Sylvan +44(0)7857-300802 UIN: 44640862 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
Another reason condorcet voting is nice is that there is no need to group similar items together. Condorcet voting eliminates the spoiler candidate effect, so having N almost identical entries won't adversely affect that group (by spreading out the votes for that group among more sub-entries than for groups with only one entry in it). So actually I don't understand whey the logos are grouped at all, they could all just be listed individually, and then people can put them all at the same rank (make tie in the interface) if they don't care which one of the group they want, or they can differentiate between them if they like. You could possibly name them 60 a, 60 b etc. to indicate that they are similar, but there's no reason not to allow people to differentiate between them if tehy so choose. I agree with this. There are some groupings that seem arbitrary. For example, a number of entries are grouped together, because they use the same graphic with different colors. I think color is an important part of a logo. (Many companies have a recognizable color scheme that covers more than just their logo. See sun.com, microsoft.com, etc.) It will be a major factor in my vote. I don't want to vote for a design that may have more than one possible outcome. As for what Johan said, it's definitely helpful to see logos on black and white and in different sizes. Sean ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:13:40AM +, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: Another reason condorcet voting is nice is that there is no need to group similar items together. I think the plan is that once a logo class is chosen, we'll have another vote for the actual colour scheme etc to be used, if applicable. Yes, we could have done this in a single vote, but then people would need to spend time creating 30 variants of each logo, and we'd be ranking 3000, rather than 100, options. Thanks Ian ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Logo Preferences
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:50:51 +, Ian Lynagh ig...@earth.li wrote: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:13:40AM +, Sebastian Sylvan wrote: Another reason condorcet voting is nice is that there is no need to group similar items together. I think the plan is that once a logo class is chosen, we'll have another vote for the actual colour scheme etc to be used, if applicable. Yes, we could have done this in a single vote, but then people would need to spend time creating 30 variants of each logo, and we'd be ranking 3000, rather than 100, options. The only difficulty with creating classes of logos in this way is that there seem to be some users who prefer only a specific member of a class, and who do not like other members of the same class. For example, there seem to be some users who like the second logo in group 61, but who would prefer something else to the most of the other logos in that group, so they would want to minimize the possibility of anything but the second logo from being chosen within that group. Perhaps classes should be created for viewing, but not for voting for, the logos, so that at the election, each variant can be uniquely identified. -- Benjamin L. Russell -- Benjamin L. Russell / DekuDekuplex at Yahoo dot com http://dekudekuplex.wordpress.com/ Translator/Interpreter / Mobile: +011 81 80-3603-6725 Furuike ya, kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. -- Matsuo Basho^ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
