Re: [Haskell-cafe] What happened in Ohloh?

2010-02-20 Thread Paul Johnson

On 19/02/10 22:31, Don Stewart wrote:

paul:
   

I'd like to use this kind of graph at work as evidence that Haskell is
on a growth trajectory.
 

You might be more interested in data from Hackage:

 http://www.galois.com/blog/2009/03/23/one-million-haskell-downloads/

runched when we passed the 1M downloads mark a year ago (closer to 2M
downloads now).

We've also got just shy of 2000 packages on Hackage, up from 1100 a year
ago (~3 new packages a day)
   
Thanks Don.  I've already used this data in presentations.  I don't want 
to use the Hackage upload graph you posted because a) its got more to do 
with the growth of Hackage than the growth of Haskell, and b) it levels 
off.  I need something with more visual punch.


This is always a problem, related to the Why is Haskell so little used 
in Industry question.  Decision makers use a simple chain of reasoning: 
I've never heard of it = academic language = can't hire programmers = 
unsupportable software.


Maybe I should write a guide to Haskell advocacy in the workplace.  
Would there be any interest?

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[Haskell-cafe] What happened in Ohloh?

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
If you go to 
http://www.ohloh.net/languages/compare?l0=haskellmeasure=projects and 
look at the number (not percentage) of Haskell projects you see it rise 
exponentially until the start of 2008 and then suddenly drop away.  Does 
anyone know what happened?  Assuming this is just an artefact because 
they aren't scanning Haskell project hosts, can we get them to fix it?


I'd like to use this kind of graph at work as evidence that Haskell is 
on a growth trajectory.


Paul.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] What happened in Ohloh?

2010-02-19 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Paul Johnson p...@cogito.org.uk wrote:
 If you go to
 http://www.ohloh.net/languages/compare?l0=haskellmeasure=projects and look
 at the number (not percentage) of Haskell projects you see it rise
 exponentially until the start of 2008 and then suddenly drop away.  Does
 anyone know what happened?  Assuming this is just an artefact because they
 aren't scanning Haskell project hosts, can we get them to fix it?

I believe in early 2008 Don Stewart was on a kick where he used tailor
to convert Darcs repos of Haskell projects to Git repos (which Ohloh
understands), and he's stopped doing that.

The fix would involve making their software understand darcs; their
response hasn't been too enthusiastic or helpful (basically, 'if you
guys do all the work and meet our idiosyncratic standards, maybe we'll
use it'): http://www.ohloh.net/forums/3491/topics/1138?page=2

 I'd like to use this kind of graph at work as evidence that Haskell is on a
 growth trajectory.

 Paul.

-- 
gwern
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] What happened in Ohloh?

2010-02-19 Thread Don Stewart
paul:
 If you go to  
 http://www.ohloh.net/languages/compare?l0=haskellmeasure=projects and  
 look at the number (not percentage) of Haskell projects you see it rise  
 exponentially until the start of 2008 and then suddenly drop away.  Does  
 anyone know what happened?  Assuming this is just an artefact because  
 they aren't scanning Haskell project hosts, can we get them to fix it?

They aren't scanning darcs repos, and I stopped doing nightly cron job
conversions from git to darcs.

In that time, the number of haskell projects has grown fairly rapidly:

http://galois.com/~dons/images/hackage-daily-graph.png

(daily upload moving average). It took off in 2008.

-- Don
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] What happened in Ohloh?

2010-02-19 Thread Don Stewart
paul:
 I'd like to use this kind of graph at work as evidence that Haskell is  
 on a growth trajectory.

You might be more interested in data from Hackage:

http://www.galois.com/blog/2009/03/23/one-million-haskell-downloads/

runched when we passed the 1M downloads mark a year ago (closer to 2M
downloads now).

We've also got just shy of 2000 packages on Hackage, up from 1100 a year
ago (~3 new packages a day)

-- Don
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