Re: [Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison
They also have other comparisons at the referenced site, including for different sizes of programs, and for counting characters or tokens instead of lines over each of these program example groups. The data source does include APL REBOL ( 483 different languages!), so one could run this analysis with most any languages you liked. Analysis from: http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/ Data from: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code Re: [Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison I find myself wondering where Rebol would stand in this. Or APL. Greets, Ertugrul --- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison
Why C++ appears twice in the Overall rank?
2012/11/20 Gregory Guthrie guth...@mum.edu
There is some interesting data in the article at:
Code Length Measured in 14 Languages
http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/
basically comparing program lengths in various languages, and some ensuing
discussion of how this relates to language expressiveness, etc.
(He does all of his analysis in Mathematica, which is the goal of the
article.)
It is interesting to see how well Haskell showed in the data; and it would
also be interesting to see how well it could replicate the analysis example
which was a nice example of web data scraping!
The data is the length of a series of programs written in a number of
languages (data from: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code).
(The columns don't map well to text only, Haskell column marked with
(Why doesn't this list support HTML?)).
See nicer version at: http://pastehtml.com/view/ciy7woohv.rtxt
The average for Haskell of 1.89 means that on the average the same program
in Haskell takes ~2x in the other languages.
Given the correlation of size to clarity, complexity, effort, and errors,
this is a good thing! :-)
Code Size relative to Mathematica
Larger numbers indicate that the language on top needs more code.
C C++ Fortran JavaCLisp Python C# JavaScript
R MATLAB Clojure Pascal Haskell RubyAverage
???
Mathematica 17.09.1 8.1 6.4 6.3 7.2
6.4 5.0 3.2 3.2 1.6 5.8 3.5 5.2 6.29
Ruby2.7 1.8 1.9 1.3 1.1 1.1
1.5 1.0 0.7 0.9 0.4 1.4 0.7 1.27
Haskell 3.6 2.7 2.5 2.0 1.6 1.7 2.2
1.5 1.1 1.5 0.7 2.1 1.4 1.89
Pascal 2.2 1.5 1.2 0.8 0.8 0.8
1.0 0.8 0.5 0.6 0.2 0.5 0.7 0.89
Clojure 8.8 5.3 5.2 3.6 3.7 3.3 3.8
2.5 1.9 2.9 5.0 1.5 2.6 3.85
MATLAB 3.6 2.4 1.8 1.1 1.4 1.1 1.7
0.9 0.8 0.3 1.6 0.7 1.1 1.42
R 4.7 3.3 2.4 1.9 1.8 1.7
2.1 1.5 1.3 0.5 2.2 0.9 1.4 1.98
JavaScript 2.8 2.1 1.9 1.2 1.2 1.1
1.6 0.7 1.1 0.4 1.3 0.7 1.0 1.31
C# 2.0 1.4 1.3 0.9 0.8 0.8
0.6 0.5 0.6 0.3 1.0 0.5 0.7 0.87
Python 2.2 1.6 1.5 1.1 0.9
1.2 0.9 0.6 0.9 0.3 1.3 0.6 0.9 1.07
Common Lisp 2.8 1.8 1.6 1.3 1.1
1.3 0.8 0.6 0.7 0.3 1.3 0.6 0.9 1.16
Java2.1 1.4 1.5 0.8 0.9
1.1 0.8 0.5 0.9 0.3 1.2 0.5 0.8 0.98
Fortran 1.4 1.0 0.7 0.6 0.7 0.8
0.5 0.4 0.6 0.2 0.8 0.4 0.5 0.66
C++ 1.4 1.0 0.7 0.6 0.6
0.7 0.5 0.3 0.4 0.2 0.7 0.4 0.6 0.61
C 0.7 0.7 0.5 0.4 0.5
0.5 0.4 0.2 0.3 0.1 0.5 0.3 0.4 0.41
Overall:4.1 2.582.3 1.681.561.61
1.851.270.851.140.411.860.831.29
Overall Ranking:
Clojure 0.41
Haskell 0.83
R0.85
MATLAB 1.14
JavaScript 1.27
Ruby 1.36
Common Lisp 1.56
Python 1.61
C++ 1.68
C# 1.85
Pascal 1.86
Fortran 2.33
C++ 2.58
C4.09
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison
On 20/11/2012, at 4:55 PM, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
There is some interesting data in the article at:
Code Length Measured in 14 Languages
http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/
basically comparing program lengths in various languages, and some ensuing
discussion of how this relates to language expressiveness, etc.
(He does all of his analysis in Mathematica, which is the goal of the
article.)
I'm not sure how interesting it actually is.
Let's study just one example: the digit sum problem.
This task is to take a Natural Number in a given Base and return the sum of
its digits.
We are not given any bounds on the size of the Natural Number
nor any bounds on the Range. Arguably, the code for almost all of the
programming languages shown is *wrong* due to making unwarranted
assumptions about integer size.
The Haskell example there is
digsum base = f 0 where
f a 0 = a
f a n = f (a+r) q where
(q,r) = n `divMod` base
main = print $ digsum 16 255 -- FF: 15 + 15 = 30
Since some other examples assume the base is 2..16, so may we.
In that case,
import Data.Char
import Numeric
digsum b n = sum . map digitToInt $ showIntAtBase b intToDigit n
will do the job, and as an exercise in golfing myself,
import Numeric
digsum b n = sum . map fromEnum $ showIntAtBase b toEnum n
will also do it, and should work for larger bases.
In this particular test, Mathematica happens to score well
because it already has IntegerDigits[number{, base}?] in its
library.
So at least this exercise is much more about what happens to
be available already in the library for this language than
about anything intrinsic to the language.
There is worse. Some versions read test data, while some have
a small number of test cases built in, and they do not agree
about which test cases are provided.
Looking at some other problems, some tasks have versions that
use code that is published on the web but not part of the
language standard and not included (or counted!) at the Rosetta
site itself.
There are lots of things you can learn by looking at the
Rosetta site. I am not sure that the compactness of languages
is one of them.
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[Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison
There is some interesting data in the article at:
Code Length Measured in 14 Languages
http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/
basically comparing program lengths in various languages, and some ensuing
discussion of how this relates to language expressiveness, etc.
(He does all of his analysis in Mathematica, which is the goal of the article.)
It is interesting to see how well Haskell showed in the data; and it would also
be interesting to see how well it could replicate the analysis example which
was a nice example of web data scraping!
The data is the length of a series of programs written in a number of languages
(data from: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code).
(The columns don't map well to text only, Haskell column marked with (Why
doesn't this list support HTML?)).
See nicer version at: http://pastehtml.com/view/ciy7woohv.rtxt
The average for Haskell of 1.89 means that on the average the same program in
Haskell takes ~2x in the other languages.
Given the correlation of size to clarity, complexity, effort, and errors, this
is a good thing! :-)
Code Size relative to Mathematica
Larger numbers indicate that the language on top needs more code.
C C++ Fortran JavaCLisp Python C# JavaScript
R MATLAB Clojure Pascal Haskell RubyAverage
???
Mathematica 17.09.1 8.1 6.4 6.3 7.2 6.4
5.0 3.2 3.2 1.6 5.8 3.5 5.2 6.29
Ruby2.7 1.8 1.9 1.3 1.1 1.1 1.5
1.0 0.7 0.9 0.4 1.4 0.7 1.27
Haskell 3.6 2.7 2.5 2.0 1.6 1.7 2.2 1.5
1.1 1.5 0.7 2.1 1.4 1.89
Pascal 2.2 1.5 1.2 0.8 0.8 0.8 1.0
0.8 0.5 0.6 0.2 0.5 0.7 0.89
Clojure 8.8 5.3 5.2 3.6 3.7 3.3 3.8 2.5
1.9 2.9 5.0 1.5 2.6 3.85
MATLAB 3.6 2.4 1.8 1.1 1.4 1.1 1.7 0.9
0.8 0.3 1.6 0.7 1.1 1.42
R 4.7 3.3 2.4 1.9 1.8 1.7 2.1
1.5 1.3 0.5 2.2 0.9 1.4 1.98
JavaScript 2.8 2.1 1.9 1.2 1.2 1.1 1.6
0.7 1.1 0.4 1.3 0.7 1.0 1.31
C# 2.0 1.4 1.3 0.9 0.8 0.8
0.6 0.5 0.6 0.3 1.0 0.5 0.7 0.87
Python 2.2 1.6 1.5 1.1 0.9 1.2
0.9 0.6 0.9 0.3 1.3 0.6 0.9 1.07
Common Lisp 2.8 1.8 1.6 1.3 1.1 1.3
0.8 0.6 0.7 0.3 1.3 0.6 0.9 1.16
Java2.1 1.4 1.5 0.8 0.9 1.1
0.8 0.5 0.9 0.3 1.2 0.5 0.8 0.98
Fortran 1.4 1.0 0.7 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.5
0.4 0.6 0.2 0.8 0.4 0.5 0.66
C++ 1.4 1.0 0.7 0.6 0.6 0.7
0.5 0.3 0.4 0.2 0.7 0.4 0.6 0.61
C 0.7 0.7 0.5 0.4 0.5 0.5
0.4 0.2 0.3 0.1 0.5 0.3 0.4 0.41
Overall:4.1 2.582.3 1.681.561.611.85
1.270.851.140.411.860.831.29
Overall Ranking:
Clojure 0.41
Haskell 0.83
R0.85
MATLAB 1.14
JavaScript 1.27
Ruby 1.36
Common Lisp 1.56
Python 1.61
C++ 1.68
C# 1.85
Pascal 1.86
Fortran 2.33
C++ 2.58
C4.09
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] code length in Haskell, a comparison
I am leery of code comparisons (but not Timothy Leary of them). Clojure being a JVM language has the advantage of the massive Java class libraries. If Haskell could tie in fairly seamlessly to the Java class libraries ... If more developers learned the need for finer grained abstraction ... On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Gregory Guthrie guth...@mum.edu wrote: There is some interesting data in the article at: Code Length Measured in 14 Languages http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/ basically comparing program lengths in various languages, and some ensuing discussion of how this relates to language expressiveness, etc. (He does all of his analysis in Mathematica, which is the goal of the article.) It is interesting to see how well Haskell showed in the data; and it would also be interesting to see how well it could replicate the analysis example which was a nice example of web data scraping! The data is the length of a series of programs written in a number of languages (data from: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code). (The columns don't map well to text only, Haskell column marked with (Why doesn't this list support HTML?)). See nicer version at: http://pastehtml.com/view/ciy7woohv.rtxt The average for Haskell of 1.89 means that on the average the same program in Haskell takes ~2x in the other languages. Given the correlation of size to clarity, complexity, effort, and errors, this is a good thing! :-) Massive Snip! Overall Ranking: Clojure 0.41 Haskell 0.83 R0.85 MATLAB 1.14 JavaScript 1.27 Ruby 1.36 Common Lisp 1.56 Python 1.61 C++ 1.68 C# 1.85 Pascal 1.86 Fortran 2.33 C++ 2.58 C4.09 --- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- -- Regards, KC ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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I find myself wondering where Rebol would stand in this. On Nov 19, 2012 8:35 PM, KC kc1...@gmail.com wrote: I am leery of code comparisons (but not Timothy Leary of them). Clojure being a JVM language has the advantage of the massive Java class libraries. If Haskell could tie in fairly seamlessly to the Java class libraries ... If more developers learned the need for finer grained abstraction ... On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Gregory Guthrie guth...@mum.edu wrote: There is some interesting data in the article at: Code Length Measured in 14 Languages http://blog.wolfram.com/2012/11/14/code-length-measured-in-14-languages/ basically comparing program lengths in various languages, and some ensuing discussion of how this relates to language expressiveness, etc. (He does all of his analysis in Mathematica, which is the goal of the article.) It is interesting to see how well Haskell showed in the data; and it would also be interesting to see how well it could replicate the analysis example which was a nice example of web data scraping! The data is the length of a series of programs written in a number of languages (data from: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code). (The columns don't map well to text only, Haskell column marked with (Why doesn't this list support HTML?)). See nicer version at: http://pastehtml.com/view/ciy7woohv.rtxt The average for Haskell of 1.89 means that on the average the same program in Haskell takes ~2x in the other languages. Given the correlation of size to clarity, complexity, effort, and errors, this is a good thing! :-) Massive Snip! Overall Ranking: Clojure 0.41 Haskell 0.83 R0.85 MATLAB 1.14 JavaScript 1.27 Ruby 1.36 Common Lisp 1.56 Python 1.61 C++ 1.68 C# 1.85 Pascal 1.86 Fortran 2.33 C++ 2.58 C4.09 --- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- -- Regards, KC ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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Darren Grant therealklu...@gmail.com wrote: I find myself wondering where Rebol would stand in this. Or APL. Greets, Ertugrul -- Not to be or to be and (not to be or to be and (not to be or to be and (not to be or to be and ... that is the list monad. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
