Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
code snippet: no hello world please. That's not a way to judge a language! But: a random haskell one line snippet with explanation would be cool. Perhaps a solution to a problem like the ones you can find on Project Euler (http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems). Of course you can't take an actual problem from Project Euler, because they do not like solutions to be posted in the wild. But you can get your inspiration from there. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:43:07 +0200, Matthias Görgens matthias.goerg...@googlemail.com wrote: code snippet: no hello world please. That's not a way to judge a language! But: a random haskell one line snippet with explanation would be cool. Perhaps a solution to a problem like the ones you can find on Project Euler (http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems). Of course you can't take an actual problem from Project Euler, because they do not like solutions to be posted in the wild. But you can get your inspiration from there. I like the quicksort example at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Introduction very much; it shows how much time you can save when you use Haskell. -- Regards, Henk-Jan van Tuyl -- http://functor.bamikanarie.com http://Van.Tuyl.eu/ -- ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
I like the quicksort example at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Introduction very much; it shows how much time you can save when you use Haskell. Nice idea. Perhaps use a merge sort, because that is actually useful, because it does not degenerate for large lists. Matthias. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
Hello Matthias, Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:05:06 PM, you wrote: I like the quicksort example at Nice idea. Perhaps use a merge sort, because that is actually useful, because it does not degenerate for large lists. Great idea if we want to keep Haskell community compact :))) -- Best regards, Bulatmailto:bulat.zigans...@gmail.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
Nice idea. Perhaps use a merge sort, because that is actually useful, because it does not degenerate for large lists. Great idea if we want to keep Haskell community compact :))) Or stay with quicksort --- which is treesort. :o) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
(I wrote this two days ago.. unfortunately I missed that my new client didnt't sent it at all) Not wasting so much space on top for wiki space +1 competition to get a new design: +1, but is it feasable? Is there enough man power to implement it? Moving wiki content again? This is much more work than just embedding a new logo. code snippet: no hello world please. That's not a way to judge a language! But: a random haskell one line snippet with explanation would be cool. If a redesign causes too much work what about adding one eye catcher which everyone who wants to learn haskell will find immediately but won't disturb users who are used to the current design? Eg adding start learning / tutorial above Download Haskell would be enough. On that page you can tell the new user about everything (irc, mailinglists, ...) Another nice thing which could be done is adding a JS snippet scrolling down some pixpels so that the wiki header gets hidden. My comments about the design focusing on newcomers still preseving current content: current design: | TOP | | left sideright side | | LEFT BAR | | | | CONTENT | If you're not used to this kind of white is important design you end up reading these words: left side Haskell: great, but nonsense because you are already on this page. Do you ever click on that link? I mean removing part of the url is nearly as fast but less intrusive Wiki community: great. but missplaced. I'd move this link nearby Download Haskell ... Search on the left Recent changes: (*) Random page: (*) Special pages: (*) [ search ] [Go] [Search]: Why two buttons? What is the difference? eg even netbeans has only one ctrl-i search field for all: types, help, open windowsn right side: Not logged in, _Log in | Help ... Note: new account creation has been disabled as an anti-spam measure. (*) (*): No newcomer will care about these items. LEFT BAR (navigation) Search: ? A third way to do a search? Search haskell.org: a fourth way to do a search? History of Haskell: Who cares? I'm a new and I want to see wether it's worth learning haskell. I only care about the future! So this item should be below Future of Haskell Learning is most important. Where to get started ? Don't ask. Just click and start.. So I'd move those items that it looks like this (removing those two searches!) implementations: GHC, hugs, nhc98, UHC, Yhc, jhc, lhc learning: Why use haskell ? Haskell in 5 steps Learning Haskell Books and tutorials Wiki articles Blog articles and news Videos Wikibook Research papers the language: Language definition future history libraries (the user who is looking for libraries has started. he'll find this information because he'll look and pay attention) Standard libraries Hackage library database Applications and libraries Hoogle and Hayoo API search I'd reduce those 6 search only keeping two: SEARCHSite: [ ... ][wiki][go] img dice Code: [ ... ][go] [wiki] is a select allowing to choose a google search) Code: runs both: hayoo and hoogle search img dice = random page Comparison: How do other sites manage to put much content on one page? They only put enough and provide links. Some do even use DHTML. One example is xing ( a German business network ): http://www.buzinkay.net/blog-de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/screenshot4.jpeg Neue Mitglieder = new users Kontakte meiner Kontakte = contacts of my contacts You only get a small list of items and can click on more Same applies to big companies such as www.gmx.de: They use DHTML and many tabs to hide information and only catch your eye by topics. Also note how the size of items changes (fish-eye like) when moving the cursor above the news items.. (below Blickpunkt) Don't get me wrong. I don't want the haskell page to look like gmx.de.. But this kind of tab style could be nice: | Events | Headlines | Recent package updates | recent wiki changes | * item * item or Events a) b) c) [+] Headlines a) b) c) [+] Recent Package Updates a) b) c) [+] Do you see that you can make the user be aware of all three headlines without having to scroll? Overall haskell.org is a great resource! Let's the value of its contens, please. Marc Weber ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
One issue no one has raised yet is how to integrate this with MediaWiki. First we'd need to upgrade our mediawiki instance (which means moving to a new server), and then we'd need a template for the front page with these design features. Someone want to step up to lead such an effort? -- Don marco-oweber: (I wrote this two days ago.. unfortunately I missed that my new client didnt't sent it at all) Not wasting so much space on top for wiki space +1 competition to get a new design: +1, but is it feasable? Is there enough man power to implement it? Moving wiki content again? This is much more work than just embedding a new logo. code snippet: no hello world please. That's not a way to judge a language! But: a random haskell one line snippet with explanation would be cool. If a redesign causes too much work what about adding one eye catcher which everyone who wants to learn haskell will find immediately but won't disturb users who are used to the current design? Eg adding start learning / tutorial above Download Haskell would be enough. On that page you can tell the new user about everything (irc, mailinglists, ...) Another nice thing which could be done is adding a JS snippet scrolling down some pixpels so that the wiki header gets hidden. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] haskell.org: what can be improved causing what efforts?
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Marc Weber marco-owe...@gmx.de wrote: (I wrote this two days ago.. unfortunately I missed that my new client didnt't sent it at all) Not wasting so much space on top for wiki space +1 competition to get a new design: +1, but is it feasable? Is there enough man power to implement it? Moving wiki content again? This is much more work than just embedding a new logo. code snippet: no hello world please. That's not a way to judge a language! But: a random haskell one line snippet with explanation would be cool. If a redesign causes too much work what about adding one eye catcher which everyone who wants to learn haskell will find immediately but won't disturb users who are used to the current design? Eg adding start learning / tutorial above Download Haskell would be enough. On that page you can tell the new user about everything (irc, mailinglists, ...) Could we get hold of (anonymized) logs for haskell.org and mine them for click pattern so we can be a bit more scientific about what things should be made more prominent in a new design? -- Johan ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
