Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Lentczner
On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote:
 Question: Do you want a mascot?


No.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-12-05 Thread Daniel Fischer
On Monday 05 December 2011, 17:03:35, Mark Lentczner wrote:
 On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote:
  Question: Do you want a mascot?
 
 No.

I thought it was dead. Since it isn't: also no.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-12-01 Thread Paulo J. Matos

Yes

On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote:

Question: Do you want a mascot?

Answers:
Yes
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-12-01 Thread Clark Gaebel
Yes.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Paulo J. Matos pa...@matos-sorge.comwrote:

 Yes

 On 23/11/11 19:11, heathmatlock wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

 Answers:
 Yes
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-27 Thread edgar klerks
Yes and I like that one. :D

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote:

 On 25 November 2011 17:28, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic 
 ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html
  Uh. W...T...F...???
  Do I want to know what's going on there? :p

 It's called Reduce! λ Girl, a parody of Invade! Squid Girl.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_Girl

 The doujinshi itself comprises of several serious Haskell/FP articles, but
 with
 lots of puns thrown in. (So I am informed.)

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-27 Thread heathmatlock
Yes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Question: Do you want a mascot?
 Answers:
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-26 Thread serialhex
i wouldn't mind a cool mascot, so yes
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Liyang HU
heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes:
 Question: Do you want a mascot? 
 Yes

And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html

/Liyang


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 25 November 2011 19:13, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote:
 heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes:
 Question: Do you want a mascot?
 Yes

 And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html

Uh. W...T...F...???

Do I want to know what's going on there? :p

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Liyang HU
On 25 November 2011 17:28, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html
 Uh. W...T...F...???
 Do I want to know what's going on there? :p

It's called Reduce! λ Girl, a parody of Invade! Squid Girl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squid_Girl

The doujinshi itself comprises of several serious Haskell/FP articles, but with 
lots of puns thrown in. (So I am informed.)

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-25 Thread Daniel Fischer
On Friday 25 November 2011, 09:28:29, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote:
 On 25 November 2011 19:13, Liyang HU haskell@liyang.hu wrote:
  heathmatlock heathmatlock at gmail.com writes:
  Question: Do you want a mascot?
  Yes
  
  And we already have one: http://paraiso-lang.org/ikmsm/books/c80.html
 
 Uh. W...T...F...???

Exactly my thoughts.

 
 Do I want to know what's going on there? :p

I don't think so.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Yves Parès
Yes.

2011/11/24 Colin Adams colinpaulad...@gmail.com

 No.

 On 23 November 2011 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

 Answers:
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Wolfgang Jeltsch
No.

Am Mittwoch, den 23.11.2011, 13:11 -0600 schrieb heathmatlock:
 Question: Do you want a mascot? 
 
 
 Answers:
 Yes
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-24 Thread David Virebayre
2011/11/23 Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com:
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)

Not that I care that much about a mascot (I like the lamb though), but
a few threads about it hardly counts for a flooding.
Besides, a good email client would allows to group emails that belong
together (a thread) and mute them.

Also, this is café, right ? Aren't people subscribed to this list
supposed to expect a broad range of topics ?

David.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread Victor Nazarov
I have the same position. want a good mascot... Count this as yes.

2011/11/23 Gábor Lehel illiss...@gmail.com:
 I don't want a bad mascot. I do want a good mascot.

 If you must count me down for one side or the other, count this as a yes.

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:11 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-24 Thread Ketil Malde
David Virebayre dav.vire+hask...@gmail.com writes:

 Also, this is café, right ? Aren't people subscribed to this list
 supposed to expect a broad range of topics ?

I don't mind a broad range of topics, but using it to collect polls is
IMHO abusing it.  I guess I can dust off the killfiling features in Gnus
to deal with this, but I still think it's very annoying.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread philipp siegmantel
@Wolfgang Jeltsch: I'm sorry, that was indeed my intension.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-24 Thread philipp siegmantel
And also: Yes!
(sorry for double post)

On 24 November 2011 20:51, philipp siegmantel
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 @Wolfgang Jeltsch: I'm sorry, that was indeed my intension.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
No

On 24 November 2011 06:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread MigMit
No

On 23 Nov 2011, at 23:11, heathmatlock wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot? 
 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Scott Lawrence

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread José Pedro Magalhães
Yes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alexander Bernauer
Yes

PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Gábor Lehel
I don't want a bad mascot. I do want a good mascot.

If you must count me down for one side or the other, count this as a yes.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Thomas Davie
Yes








Reasoning:
Haskell has the image of being unfriendly, assenine, filled with crazy symbols, 
and the dreaded MATHS!  A mascot would say you know what, this is fun!
if (*ra4 != 0xffc78948) { return false; }

On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:40, Alexander Bernauer wrote:

 Yes
 
 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer alex-hask...@copton.net
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 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alejandro Serrano Mena
Yes

2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer 
 alex-hask...@copton.net wrote:

 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Paul R
Yes

If some people don't like it, they won't use it.

I doubt it will find its way in highly technical haskell core team, but
it could appear for fun here and there in web material. For example,
I think we could have 3 variants of it, reflecting the haskell level
(beginner, confirmed, guru). Whenever someone writes an article about
Haskell, (s)he could place one of them at the top of the page to
immediatly show the target audience.

 Question: Do you want a mascot?  Answers: Yes No

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Karol Samborski
2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com:
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
 
{^_^}
  |||


2011/11/23 Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com

 Yes

 2011/11/23 heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer 
 alex-hask...@copton.net wrote:

 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:52 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer 
 alex-hask...@copton.net wrote:

 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


 Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice.


1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
track of the results)
3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
and answer the poll
4. etc...

My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
least a month.

Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture the
community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.

I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the time
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread Krzysztof Skrzętnicki
I second this.

One way is to use Forms from Google Docs.

1. They have been used with success before for similar pools
2. Can provide more elaborate questions
3. Automatically put results into a spreadsheet, which is useful
4. Protect against double-voters (sort of)
5. No spam

Best regards,
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 21:25, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:52 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alexander Bernauer 
 alex-hask...@copton.net wrote:

 Yes

 PS: Why not using Doodle for the poll?


 Email is an easy way to make sure nobody votes twice.


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
 and answer the poll
 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.

 Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
 the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.

 I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
 time and do it properly.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
heathmatlock wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

No.

I also really think this poll should have been in a web
site somewhere and not on this list.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
 and answer the poll


I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created a
poll there:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture the
 community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the time
 and do it properly.


I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
are:

1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Conrad Parker
I wouldn't mind getting a lamb-astronaut tshirt with a lambda-bind
logo on it for my kid, and maybe next month a lion-skateboarder with a
lambda-bind on his deck, and then maybe something with a dinosaur.

I guess I don't really want a mascot either, but I like this artwork.

Conrad.

On 24 November 2011 06:18, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote:
 heathmatlock wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

 No.

 I also really think this poll should have been in a web
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128 respectively.

I also found out you can vote as many times as you want without
restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don't like
putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for their own
agendas, e.g. Reddit, which is when it seems most of the votes came from.

From the public email poll, there were 4 no votes and 8 yes votes, and from
the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 people liking the idea
of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying against the idea.

I would say the next step might be create a poll using polldaddy, but even
filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from using a workaround with
Tor. With email, you can see how many people are registering and
immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, but I'm going
going to call it a night and a week with this, since it's going to be long
next couple of days.

Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday tomorrow.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni 
 gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the list
 and answer the poll


 I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


 I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created
 a poll there:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


 Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
 the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


 I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


 I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
 time and do it properly.


 I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
 are:

 1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
 topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
 2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

 But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
 how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
 methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
 judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

 Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
 Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
 with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot? -- please stop this

2011-11-23 Thread heathmatlock
Before sleeping, I would like to point out as of right now there are 12 up
votes and 5 down votes, 70% yes and 30% no for the topic on Reddit. It
doesn't necessarily reflect the view on the question being posed, but it
seems about right from my discussions. With that, I will try to refrain
from speaking about a mascot for awhile.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:

 I closed the poll, it's showing 51% no and 50% yes, 129 to 128
 respectively.

 I also found out you can vote as many times as you want without
 restriction, with no IP logging whatsoever. This is why I don't like
 putting polls on places where users regularly use anonymity for their own
 agendas, e.g. Reddit, which is when it seems most of the votes came from.

 From the public email poll, there were 4 no votes and 8 yes votes, and
 from the original thread on a mascot, there were about 15 people liking the
 idea of a mascot, and less than half of this openly saying against the idea.

 I would say the next step might be create a poll using polldaddy, but even
 filtering IP addresses wouldn't stop people from using a workaround with
 Tor. With email, you can see how many people are registering and
 immediately voting. Anyway, I'm not sure how to proceed, but I'm going
 going to call it a night and a week with this, since it's going to be long
 next couple of days.

 Happy Thanksgiving to anyone celebrating the Holiday tomorrow.


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Giovanni Tirloni 
 gtirl...@sysdroid.comwrote:


 1. It's unlikely to get feedback from the larger Haskell community
 2. It floods people with email they don't care (unless they care to keep
 track of the results)
 3. One can just as easily create throw-away emails, subscribe to the
 list and answer the poll


 I thought about this, but I was trying to keep the response short.


 4. etc...

 My suggestion is to create a poll somewhere else and let it run for at
 least a month.


 I suppose we could do this. Kryzyztof suggested Google Docs, so I created
 a poll there:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFpic3dzZkVtcW5yZkVWbFNuckpyWmc6MQ


 Or a more elaborated survey with additional questions trying to capture
 the community's feeling toward a masket and what kind.


 I'm not sure what additional questions would be appropriate.


 I don't think we are in a hurry to get a mascot here so let's take the
 time and do it properly.


 I can agree to that. The reasons I created a poll using the email method
 are:

 1. Typically, mail programs have methods of keeping emails separated by
 topic, so your mailbox isn't littered with just one topic.
 2. It's quick with little hassle, just respond.

 But, you have a point about reaching a wider audience. My only concern is
 how many people outside of the Haskell community are going to vote. Without
 methods of recognizing who's spamming the results, it's difficult to really
 judge how accurately the poll reflects the community's views.

 Polldaddy.com has nice spam filters. I'm guessing posting functional
 Javascript to the wiki isn't possible though, this would require someone
 with write access to the site.



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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Jeroen Weijers
Yes

2011/11/24 Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org:
 I wouldn't mind getting a lamb-astronaut tshirt with a lambda-bind
 logo on it for my kid, and maybe next month a lion-skateboarder with a
 lambda-bind on his deck, and then maybe something with a dinosaur.

 I guess I don't really want a mascot either, but I like this artwork.

 Conrad.

 On 24 November 2011 06:18, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote:
 heathmatlock wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

 No.

 I also really think this poll should have been in a web
 site somewhere and not on this list.

 Erik
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Poll: Do you want a mascot?

2011-11-23 Thread Colin Adams
No.

On 23 November 2011 19:11, heathmatlock heathmatl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Question: Do you want a mascot?

 Answers:
 Yes
 No


 --
 This is an attempt to figure out if this idea is going anywhere.

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